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4921  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN]Coin Ticker - Bitcoin and altcoin ticker and portfolio management [iOS App] on: February 09, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Still no Ethereum?
4922  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hard fork could result in a priceless bitcoin? on: February 09, 2016, 10:54:31 AM
This is my concern. Will a consensus be reached before a hard fork is performed?
4923  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hard Fork = Bitcoins * 2 ? on: February 09, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
So is this a threat to Bitcoin or not? No one seems to know.
4924  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hard Fork = Bitcoins * 2 ? on: February 09, 2016, 08:21:25 AM
How best to conduct a hard fork then to avoid coin doubling?
4925  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Steam accept Bitcoin soon? on: February 09, 2016, 07:24:57 AM
Me likey.
4926  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hard Fork = Bitcoins * 2 ? on: February 09, 2016, 12:51:45 AM
I read the article too. I *think* that since there would be 2 networks (since chances are not everyone will switch once it is out) and you would have bitcoins on both networks.

That was my take on it. How would this be resolved?
4927  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Hard Fork = Bitcoins * 2 ? on: February 09, 2016, 12:37:30 AM
Read a article I think it was on Forbes website that a hard fork can mean some Bitcoin owners can unscrupulously double their Bitcoin balance? True or false?
4928  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2016-02-08] Is Steam ready for Bitcoin? on: February 08, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Hope so.
4929  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Estranged Core Developer Gavin Andresen Finally Makes Sensible 2MB BIP Proposal! on: February 04, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
You folks and your constant bickering will be the death of Bitcoin.
4930  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $55 Million for Blockstream to build out Bitcoin! on: February 03, 2016, 10:52:10 PM
Wish this block size debate could be put to sleep for good. So tiresome.
4931  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
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Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time.

Banking transactions take roughly (ping time) + (time to update a database) = less than a second. When I buy shit with a CC, it takes me anywhere from 3 to 20 seconds before I leave the checkout.
Bitcoin?

The cost of a fiat transaction is a few pennies.
Bitcoin? Currently $373 * 25BTC / 2.7tps * (600sec per block) = ~$5.75 + tx fee, per fucking transaction. You don't pay it because it's currently subsidized by Bitcoin base money inflation, i.e. printing 25 bitcoins out of thin air every 10 minutes.
So now you know.
I cashed a cheque last week. It took over 3 business days to clear.  

ORLY? I tried to cash out some BTC from Cryptsy. Guess how long that's taking?
No, the point you tried to argue is that banking is almost instantaneous. I refute that. That said I can see from your curt replies that you enjoy muddying the water.

No. I said banking transactions are almost instantaneous. In some cases, like with your 20th-century anachronism, the paper check, banks *choose* not to credit your account for security reasons. My bank, for instance, clears the business checks I deposit instantly (not really sure tho, haven't been living hand-to-mouth lately, perhaps because have been out of BTC for >2 years. Feelsgoodman.gif).

Oh yes there is a massive security risk on a £40 cheque cashed between 2 family members with accounts in the same bank. Maybe they needed the time to let the ink dry on the money. Or maybe they were scared that in those 3 business days they'd be needing another bail out.

Your family keeps bouncing checks off each other? Well there's your problem right there!

Seriously tho, you do understand why checks exist, correct? It's so that old people, who get scared by anything more high-tech than a pen, can still buy things. Without needing a computer, smartphone, or internet connection.
Next you'll start bitching that wheelchairs and mobility scooters are slow Angry

So when you hit up your Granny for £40 because you gambled away your rent on bitcoins, remember: If not for paper checks, you would have got nothing at all. Which would have been better both for you & Granny -- she's just enabling you, should let you hit rock-bottom.

Straw man.

You are a banker shill and apologist, and I claim my 0.0001 bit.
4932  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
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Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time.

Banking transactions take roughly (ping time) + (time to update a database) = less than a second. When I buy shit with a CC, it takes me anywhere from 3 to 20 seconds before I leave the checkout.
Bitcoin?

The cost of a fiat transaction is a few pennies.
Bitcoin? Currently $373 * 25BTC / 2.7tps * (600sec per block) = ~$5.75 + tx fee, per fucking transaction. You don't pay it because it's currently subsidized by Bitcoin base money inflation, i.e. printing 25 bitcoins out of thin air every 10 minutes.
So now you know.
I cashed a cheque last week. It took over 3 business days to clear. 

ORLY? I tried to cash out some BTC from Cryptsy. Guess how long that's taking?
No, the point you tried to argue is that banking is almost instantaneous. I refute that. That said I can see from your curt replies that you enjoy muddying the water.

No. I said banking transactions are almost instantaneous. In some cases, like with your 20th-century anachronism, the paper check, banks *choose* not to credit your account for security reasons. My bank, for instance, clears the business checks I deposit instantly (not really sure tho, haven't been living hand-to-mouth lately, perhaps because have been out of BTC for >2 years. Feelsgoodman.gif).

Oh yes there is a massive security risk on a £40 cheque cashed between 2 family members with accounts in the same bank. Maybe they needed the time to let the ink dry on the money. Or maybe they were scared that in those 3 business days they'd be needing another bail out.
4933  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core Roadmap visualized on: February 03, 2016, 01:16:56 AM
Fantastic graphic. In storage every bit counts.
4934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
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Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time.

Banking transactions take roughly (ping time) + (time to update a database) = less than a second. When I buy shit with a CC, it takes me anywhere from 3 to 20 seconds before I leave the checkout.
Bitcoin?

The cost of a fiat transaction is a few pennies.
Bitcoin? Currently $373 * 25BTC / 2.7tps * (600sec per block) = ~$5.75 + tx fee, per fucking transaction. You don't pay it because it's currently subsidized by Bitcoin base money inflation, i.e. printing 25 bitcoins out of thin air every 10 minutes.
So now you know.
I cashed a cheque last week. It took over 3 business days to clear. 

ORLY? I tried to cash out some BTC from Cryptsy. Guess how long that's taking?
No, the point you tried to argue is that banking is almost instantaneous. I refute that. That said I can see from your curt replies that you enjoy muddying the water.
4935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 12:38:52 AM
Negative interest rates for all of you greedy people trying to make a savings!

Is this not just the case with any business that has a monoply on things?
Could argue google and apple do not follow this but they either buy a idea or kill the idea mostly before it can grow.
So expecting a bank to do anything but screw us would be like dancing on a busy highway and not expecting to be hit by a car.
Google car would dodge maybe,might go see what the stats say on that.

Ever wonder why children on My Little Pony forums manage to form coherent sentences, and even spell and punctuate those correctly? And why here, on bitcointalk, that sort of thing hardly ever happens?

Yeah, me neither.
Nope, I don't frequent MLP forums.
4936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 12:36:59 AM
Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time. How long does it still take a cheque to clear? If not for crypto currency then they'd still be sitting on their wizard sleeved hands.

Reduce transaction costs? I bought some food today and paid with a $20 bill.

What was my transaction cost? How long did it take the transaction to confirm? How many parties were involved in confirming the transaction? Did I need to be connected to the Internet to do it?

Checks can clear absolutely instantly at banks. There is no need for blocks to be solved, confirmations from third parties or anything else. The reason they take some time to clear is not because of some wizard level problem. It is because a check is a piece of paper someone wrote some amount on.

The check writer may not have the money or the check may be forged, that's why it takes a while to clear. Why do people use checks? Because they are really easy to use, if you have a guy working on your plumbing, you can write him a check when he is done. The plumber doesn't need any kind of computer to accept the check and can just put it in his pocket. No merchant processors, no need to connect to the Internet, no bitcoin addresses, no confirmations.

With a U.S. bank, you have a whole host of options when you want to pay someone:

- paper check
- paper cashiers check from the bank account (funds are guaranteed)
- electronic transfer (including via email address or mobile phone number)
- recurring automatic electronic transfers
- wire transfer
- debit card (most have the money in the account, receiver needs merchant account)
- credit card (borrowed money, receiver needs merchant account)

Those are the most common. Banks have zero use for crypto currency, things work great as it is.

Banking is not free. Your costs are being subsidised by other people's charges.

As stated above, I cashed a cheque last week. The monies didn't clear in my account for me to withdraw for 3 business days.
4937  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 03, 2016, 12:34:15 AM
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Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time.

Banking transactions take roughly (ping time) + (time to update a database) = less than a second. When I buy shit with a CC, it takes me anywhere from 3 to 20 seconds before I leave the checkout.
Bitcoin?

The cost of a fiat transaction is a few pennies.
Bitcoin? Currently $373 * 25BTC / 2.7tps * (600sec per block) = ~$5.75 + tx fee, per fucking transaction. You don't pay it because it's currently subsidized by Bitcoin base money inflation, i.e. printing 25 bitcoins out of thin air every 10 minutes.
So now you know.
I cashed a cheque last week. It took over 3 business days to clear. 
4938  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 02, 2016, 10:19:17 PM
So the bankers have literally just been designing and developing ever more inventive ways of milking us all.

This is nothing new I would say.
Have the banks ever been good to us? Not in my country!
In my opinion it is time to kick some bankster's butt!
I hear you.
4939  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 02, 2016, 10:18:22 PM
What happened to all the so called technological wizards who work in the banking industry? The financial sector often boasts that it only employs the best of the best, so that said, why didn't one person within that sector design, develop and conceive an electronic cash or distributed ledger system? What have all these technological wizards been doing within the banking industry all these years?

Why would a bank want a distributed ledger system when they can just have their own ledger?

With their own ledger system they can:

- make changes immediately
- rollback any fraud
- not have to deal with others when upgrading or running the system

There is zero reason for any banking system to have a distributed ledger. The fully electronic cash and computerized banking system in the U.S. works fine as it is.

All my recurring bills are paid automatically and electronically and 99% are paid without any additional fees. The only one I have a fee for is my pool guy who doesn't have a computer so my bank mails him a physical check once a month at the additional service cost of $1.

All my daily purchases are done via credit card. I get (about 3%) cash back on my purchases and the merchant pays the fees. My balance is paid in full each month, with no fee, from my checking account.


Why? So they could reduce their transaction costs and time. How long does it still take a cheque to clear? If not for crypto currency then they'd still be sitting on their wizard sleeved hands.
4940  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Technological Wizards of the Banking Industry on: February 02, 2016, 04:16:29 PM
So the bankers have literally just been designing and developing ever more inventive ways of milking us all.
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