*facepalm* The delusional powers are strong in you...

For me its a way to be bitcoin and cryptocurrency independent. I mean practically all investments here depend on the bitcoin. In case the bitcoin crashes or they try to forbid it this would be an investment that would still stay alive... i think doing a bit of this risk management is no bad idea.

Nice... i used your app before though stopped using it since i didnt use litecoins anymore. Now i have a quick few to see if nakowa is crashing the house again or not... Thanks!

It might be helpful to check out the weexchange portal addresses too. That means the addresses where the 6.1% were paid out from.
So everyone who got a payment from the weexchange portal, the 6%, could send my the address the payment came from anonymously via pm or can post it here in the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437154

It looks there are long trails of payout addresses that can be followed but there are different trails so having an address in each trail would be needed.

Wouldnt work. I had the same thinking error. If dooglus would do this then the website couldnt generate fees for him anymore really because investors would buy player accounts and all profits could remain feeless then.

*lol* Theres something really angry at mtgox... i can understand him. First dont address the problems for years, then blame the foundation for it: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/727-forbes-gox/

Thats what i mean... it sounds like revenge and for investors it looks like a bad idea. Personally i see the risk that way:

Risk of VMC never starts really: 30%
Risk that the profit at the end will be less than the investment shareholders did: 75%
Risk that you get satoshi dust when the company have to close and refund customers and shareholders: 80%

At the end... you cant sell the shares because only 3BTC are in the buy-side of the orderbook till 0.0001BTC. I dont see that growing much. So big shareholders dont have a real choice to sell. If they enforce it they will have nothing in return instantly.
So the only choice is to gamble on VMC to get back at least most of the investment.

Liquidating VMC now, with the progress of developing, and with all the bitcoins spent, would be similar to selling your shares into an empty orderbook. You get nothing back.

Like i said... the only choice i see is to gamble in the hope to get at least a good chunk of the investment back. I dont have high hopes that it will become a profitable project when i see the dates ken is speaking about.

The address i got my 6.1% from isnt in the list too. I got the coins from
Its a pretty straight list of transactions so i guess all portal-addresses can be seen there. I followed the trail back manually through many transactions till that address: https://blockchain.info/de/address/19nz67bvcCMwZUNZJ7AxJtoDPb7fHJXkMP which seems to be an address where ukyo collected funds for the portal since he paid in exactly 225BTC and 5BTC. So there is probably another string of transactions when ukyo really paid out >300BTC in total.

Anyway... in case VMC would get liquidated... how many percent of the IPO-Money isnt bound to refunds for miners and isnt already paid or bound for production and developing costs?

I guess its not much... i think its really stupid to call for authorities.

Great... so Ken put all the money into developing and producing ASIC's and then someone is smart enough to report VMC to the authorities? For revenge? Since i dont see that killing the company will get a reasonable amount of bitcoins back to shareholders.
I wish people could control their fear at least so far that they could make decisions that look like the best financially outcome. I dont see that coming from VMC having to refund all customers and spreading satoshis for his shareholders while stopping operations.

Sorry candoo. You wrote me an explaination via PM though it was one people already awaited as an excuse so i didnt bother to post it here letting it sound like i want to make fun of you. I thought if you want you would post it here but you didnt after testing it with me.

I still wouldnt give candoo a chance to scam but i did some trades with him in the meanwhile. Though only so that he couldnt possibly scam me.

Of course nonsense will find its way into here but when this thread is moderated, means deleting useless posts, then i would appreciate it. Someone other would do the work to delete posts without worth and all others can enjoy the relevant info.
Lets see how it turns out to be.

HK-Police wont hurt probably though a lawyer can handle these things for you. When you file a complain directly you have to handle all corresponcy with the police alone. They wont receive it and Alberto is done.

Maybe we should collect another list of addresses from the weexchange withdraw portal. All addresses were the coins came from that were paid out as 6.1%.

Only to inform: I was asked to do escrow for these trades and i agreed.

It must be really hard to make the shares trade...

I wonder what the price will develop to. There are 3BTC bids up to 0.0001BTC per share. Thats peanuts. But there were not a few people that think 0.0005BTC per share are a good price. Its a matter of gambling now. Either you sell and will get practically nothing or you hope for a success and value the possible success something. Im feeling like iam a player at just-dice... though i never wanted to be a gambler...

Is there a complete list of all bets of the last time?

Its not that Fabrizio and Alessio are spared. They have a part in this but they claim they "were used". So at the moment what we know is that Alberto most probably is the scammer. But its an open investigation. The police can ask Fabrizio and Alessio, they can hunt down Alberto to ask him and so on. At the end they will have an image what was happening and they will know who did was and who is guilty. Thats why virtualspade isnt claiming someone is guilty from the start. And it does not mean that anyone is spared when hes guilty.

The coins shouldnt be lost. Normally the shop that uses bips.me can get the coins or bips.me helps directly.
Though of course LBC should have read the ticket at least.

Those are really high amounts. Amounts one would normally think an IPO collected them. It might well be that an IPO at bitfunder was successful and someone took the bitcoins out to order the hardware. Though the question is... when ukyo now really would need to have 6000BTC in the weexchange wallet... how can this be. Are these big withdraws maybe legit and the loss of bitcoins was happening through many small transactions?

A theory... that was found as wrong now... was that ukyo misconfigured the wallet. So that change bitcoins didnt went to a new change address but instead went to user deposit addresses from other users. That way it was a deposit to weexchange and the user had more money. In fact the wallet then had lost bitcoins. And a user had more bitcoins he could withdraw that he didnt deposit.

Unfortunately it turned out the theory wasnt correct but its a unique idea so i wanted to post it so maybe someone gets an idea for new investigations. Maybe faulty stats so that ukyo didnt see that coins in fact are vanishing.

Only as a sidenote...