[...] This has already been implemented in here. What are your thoughts on solving for the possibility of double spending when it's almost impossible for the honest chain to accept a block with an invalid transaction. It's not possible to accept an invalid transaction. Period. What's possible is to reverse a previously confirmed and, therefore, valid transaction. The odds of successfully reversing a block, so you can reverse a transaction, with a given portion of the hashrate can be seen in the above link.
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They also say that between 2.3 million and 3.7 million bitcoins amouting to over $15 to $24 billion have been lost due to disappearance of owners mainly caused by death. Who said this? Could we have the study? Millions of coins can have been lost, but the overwhelming majority is definitely not because of deaths. 1) Let at least one trusted individual know your password. It's difficult to get such person but it is better than loosing your investment. No, no, no. First of all if you're dead, you haven't lost only your investment, lol. Second, "trusted individuals", the way you say it, can rip you off very easily (while you're alive).
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This is as nonsensical as saying "flying spaghetti monster can also be loaned". Attaching a number to a name and write some letters next to it (BTC or FSM) has nothing to do with loans.
But, a flying spaghetti monster isn't easy to transfer neither to verify, let alone to divide it. It doesn't meet the requirements to be money. However, if we found another object or some sort of global ledger where we can sign our dues (even if those numbers don't represent anything), we can use it as currency. This is Bitcoin. It doesn't represent ANYTHING. It only gives us an idea of who's paid their dues. If lots believe it can work as money, because it meet the requirements to be one, above and beyond, then who're you to claim it doesn't?
Back to the fiat currency: It represents only a title that is recognizable by the state. Do you agree that a person can use a medium of exchange whose usage isn't being forced?
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Money is something that exists. Loans are granted, debt is created, debt is dollars. Therefore, dollars exist. Bitcoin can also be loaned.
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LegendaryK is the same guy who considered that checking 3 block explorers is more secure than running your own full node. I'm just leaving this here, no pun intended. Judge accordingly. As far as verifying goes, he could use 3 separate block explorers to confirm the transactions, which will be a 3X better verification that a single node.
Just so you know, I did research on any possible ways for PoW to survive , and their were none. Just for you to know, you can question me whenever you want for the downsides of PoS that I've mentioned. The only reason for Bitcoin to increase its energy use would be for Bitcoin to increase in price This isn't true. Technology efficiency, energy costs and state intervention can also affect the final outcome. There's, indeed, a weak correlation between the price and the difficulty over the long term, but the price, alone, does not determine difficulty. For example, during the bear market of 2018, the price went from $13k to $3k, but the difficulty was tripled.
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Notice they have no idea what to do when a worldwide PoW ban is enacted. You're foolish. And you're foolish not because you support PoS. You're foolish because you don't zoom out. You're crazy enough to believe that a worldwise PoW ban is likely to be enacted, but not a worldwide crypto-ban, which would make more sense from a government's point of view. You're foolish, because you're not afraid of the scenario that PoS comes next, with your privacy and freedom of choice followed. You hope, cravingly, that the governments will take care of it. A hope for your own pit. Haven't you yet understood that Bitcoin is more than just a currency? It's also a movement.
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Now, can you finally tell me where's this product? And how it looks like. Where's this "dollar" product? How does it look like? ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) It turns out that we disagree of what's money. You say that it's solely debt. I agree with this definition: the fact or quality of being generally accepted or in use. And Bitcoin fulfills it.
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Europe is going against PoW and just because they failed to have it banned this time does not mean they will not succeed in the coming years. Europe is not the European Union. Furthermore, they've also tried to ban Bitcoin with the alibi that it helps criminals. They'll always step on a supposedly validly-sounded argument to control you! They don't care about the environment; their harmful activities can prove it. They don't care if 1% of the users use it for illicit activity; they want to control that 99%. It's the same reason why Binance, Coinbase etc., require KYC. They don't care for those few who'll avoid taxes; there are no studies that reveal tax avoidance reduce due to KYC requirements. They do it to control you. Also, that EU bill was rejected few days ago. Our two PoS proponents here weren't able to reply to my last post, apparently. One's LegendaryK. Who's the other?
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Because there is no such thing as "Satoshi's coins". In other words you can not point to any UTXO and claim with certainty that this coin belongs to Satoshi (or anyone else for that matter). When I say "Satoshi's coins" I mean those early P2PK ones. I know that it's an improper title, but what I find even more wrong is to consider those lost. We've no idea who owns what and yet we treat them like they'll never move while we periodically observe some folks who move coins after 10-12 years.
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Can I now finally get the answer to my question? The answer to a question such as "Bitcoin is meaningless" requires further discussion. I can't give you any answers until I ensure we understand money in the same way. Debt are loan contracts secured with collaterals or bank capital and evidenced in the accounting books of the banks. You're perpetually trying to change the subject. Debt isn't inextricably connected with money. It's created after we've agreed on which currency will be used in our transactions. Two entities, a customer and a merchant can agree to settle their transaction with debt, but without using a fiat currency. For instance, the customer gets their product after they've promised the merchant that they'll deliver them precious rocks. That's also debt. I repeat, the central bank can create money without any citizen's or commercial bank's permission. That money can be later used to increase debt and be exchanged for goods and services. You're describing what happens afterwards the money is created. The central bank can also be used as a metaphor to the "numbers from a software" you've outlined. To give you an example: Commercial banks could instead of borrowing from the central bank, gather and decide to setup their own digital currency, which will be used later for loans with collaterals etc. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30469383
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Banknotes are loans to commercial banks. Yes, but banknotes alone don't create debt. While commercial banks do borrow money from the central bank, the money the central bank creates is out of thin air. They represent nothing. Yes, there's lending between the central bank and the commercial banks and yes, there's lending between the commercial banks and the households/businesses, but that doesn't show that the dollar, as a unit represents a "thing", as you put it. All I see is trust from the commercial banks and households/businesses to the monetary policy of the central bank, which is controlled usually by one entity, the government.
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So something has to exist to be a currency. Some commodity, debt, equity, good, whatever. Why? Why should there be debt, equity, goods etc.? The US government perpetually prints a lot amount of money, and those banknotes don't represent anything anymore. Before 1971, there was a law saying that you can exchange those with gold. Currently, this isn't the case. They're just pieces of paper and people treat them like currency, because they trust their government. In other words, the government says they're the base medium of exchange and people use those to transact with. Debt is created once there's loaning of money. Printing money, alone, doesn't create debt. Is there anything you disagree with, so far?
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The moto is that there'll never be more than 21M BTC. Lost bitcoins can be categorized in provably lost and non-provably lost. Provably lost coins consist of: - Those in OP_RETURN transactions.
- Those that were decided to not be claimed by the miners, such as in block 124724 where an unknown miner burnt 0.01000001 BTC (0.01 from fees + 0.00000001 from block reward).
- Those in transactions where the user messed up with the script. For instance, the 2,609 irredeemable BTC where the user failed to push the pubkey to the script.
- Those that are, deliberately, not part of the database, such as the genesis block's reward.
Non-provably lost coins consist of: - Wallet files, seed phrases and generally private keys that are stated by their owners as lost.
- Those in the so called "burning addresses", such as 1111111111111111111114oLvT2.
- Satoshi's coins. (That I haven't understood yet why)
While in the former, the coins are gone for good, no one can guarantee that the other coins won't be moved in the future. For example, I suspect that due to the revealing of the public keys (of every P2PK output), they'll be brought into circulation at some point in the future because of the development of quantum computing.
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So exactly the same as if you somehow acquired 10% of the total supply of a capped PoW coin... There's difference between owning a trillion dollars in cash and owning the FED's printing machine with a trillion dollars. With the latter you exert much more influence to everyone who's using the currency. Let alone, you vote against the collective carryout of the transactions. Apparently you forget what we are discussing here yourself. We aren't just comparing computational cost. We are comparing all values at the same time. Isn't computational cost part of "all values"? From my understanding, we can't divide the "PoW Produced (24h)" with hashrate to find which one has the most effort, because of different hashing algorithms.
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you are not investing in something That's, pedantically, true. If don't create capital with it, "investing into Bitcoin" may sound grammatically incorrect. Neither do you, though, when you use a fiat currency. Don't mess investments with currencies, let's take it one at a time. Since I've seen you're keen on definitions, let's see how Wikipedia defines what's "currency": A currency[a] in the most specific sense is money in any form when in use or circulation as a medium of exchange, especially circulating banknotes and coins.[1][2] A more general definition is that a currency is a system of money (monetary units) in common use, especially for people in a nation.[3] Under this definition, U.S. dollars (US$), euros (€), Indian rupee (₹), Japanese yen (¥), and pounds sterling (£) are examples of currencies. So, a currency is, by definition, used as intermediary to exchanging. A country may create its own to handle the economy. It, therefore, legalizes its use. People use the currency, because they live inside the country. The administration of it happens from the central bank of the country. Is everything good so far?
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There must be some truth in the environmental impact of Bitcoin. Of course and there's carbon footprint, no one's denying that. Everything's environmentally damaging nowadays, but yet the chancellors dislike only Bitcoin. I deny the validity of this argument to end up on banning PoW. Nobody pays attention to the environmental impact of the money they daily use, but they'll unarguably consider Bitcoin the most damaging. Well, that's the results of propaganda. Not to mention that is utter nonsense to forbid the calculation of mathematical functions.
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Bitcoin mining energy consumption has been the topic of discussion in many countries around the world and not only the energy being consumed for mining but also the environmental impact of mining operations
Have they taken a look on the energy consumed by fiat money? No, because it's not favoring them. As I've recently said, it's a matter of control, not ethics or economic damage. What is being said about the environmental impact of cryptocurrencies is pure propaganda that is easily sucked.
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I am not doing anything ultra secret, just want general privacy from snoopy governments Hiding from the government requires the best privacy techniques. It's not an individual who'll want to grope your money neither an advertising service that wants to know your activities. We're talking about an entity that has access to every log and chain analysis tool. If you want privacy with Bitcoin, running your node is a must. To maximize it, don't reuse addresses, be aware to not link UTXOs (coin control), use mixers and do everything through Tor. If you want to be sure you're hidden from the government, then don't use Bitcoin.
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The only thing we can agree on is for mathematical symbols to change next to our address. And bank notes are nothing but mathematical symbols printed on paper. They gain value, because people use them as currency. Again, it's as simple as that, but you want to prove us you're right and we're all dumb who pay for a "non-existent thing" as you've also said in the other thread. You're that guy and I don't care what you say; you tell the exact, same kind of bullshit.
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A transaction is a completed agreement between a buyer and a seller to exchange goods, services, or financial assets in return for money. Yes. If both of us agree that Bitcoin is money, then we can start exchanging stuff for bitcoins. Where's good, where's service, money, asset... if is the only thing that's going on is the change of numbers next to addresses? You give me food, I give you bitcoins, so there's the food. Same happens with every currency, why shouldn't it happen with Bitcoin?
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