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feeleep,
If you remember, there was an issue with your SRC pool accepting shares at too low a difficulty, which I pointed out and you corrected.
Most likely conclusion is that p2pool has the same issue, and it has not been fixed.
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http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/012781.asp[/url] seems to be a central argument by the naysayers. Can you honestly say that you truly understand 100% Native American politics? By the way, did you realize the Lakota nation is split into several different groups? Neither did I until I did some research on it. MazaCoin is the future soverign currency of The Oglala Lakota Nation. Now, why would Payu say that MazaCoin is the official currency of the "True Lakota Nation"? Because he is a Native American, and to him The Oglala Lakota Nation is the True Lakota Nation. And the president of the Oglala Lakota Nation has flatly said that they have not adopted it as an official currency. Yes, that bit is true. What isn't true is that it has been adopted as the official currency of the Lakota nation. That is misinformation. |
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its an official currency, the FIRST in Cryptohistory
No it isn't. |
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'official' - 'first'
In what world does the word official mean first? Seriously, when have you ever seen official used in that sense? |
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3. Waiting for it to boil over? It's just starting to simmer. It's not an Indian newspaper, it's an Indian blog news site. Payu refused an interview in January, and the attempts to contact Harris *about this controversy* were unsuccessful - he couldn't get a hold of anyone. So, you're flat wrong about that.
It is an Indian newspaper: http://www.nsweekly.com/It was just republished by indianz.com |
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Well, shit, I don't know what to think. What about this? http://cryptominers.freeforums.org/the-memorandum-of-understanding-t10.htmlThere's more but here is just an except: During the course of said agreement no cost will be incurred for OSTOED technical assistance, as the objective of this venture is to create an investment for the Oglala Sioux Tribe in the crypto currency market to assist with Economic Development on the Pine Ridge reservation. I read this. This is what it looks like: Step 1) Get in bed with the Economic Development team of a Tribe. Step 2) Enforce it's usage by the Lakota people and businesses. Step 3) Profit. Sounds like the FED. Go behind people's back and make a "sovereign" coin. Only talk to the finance people of a tribe, not the people themselves about if they would embrace a coin like this. Why is he spending so much time talking to the US MEDIA about tribal sovereignty coins? Why does he care that people in the United States know? Why wouldn't he work way more with the Lakota people themselves? You forgot to add Payu didn't even get handwritten signatures or an official stamp on that document. So no one signed off on it. That renders it useless. We know it, or something like it, is genuine, because it has been confirmed by the tribal president: http://www.nsweekly.com/“There has been no action taken by the council to approve of a new currency. The economic development office gave a letter of support to Harris to continue to research the industry and that was it. As far as it being an official currency of the tribe that is not true at all. Any action like that would need to go through the council,” said President Brewer. |
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'Didn't approve of everything he is doing' means that there is at least one thing he is doing that they did not approve, not that they haven't approved anything. You are thinking of 'didn't approve of anything he is doing. |
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Also on the official forum you find this disturbing statement: "Are you guys associated with any of the american indian groups? For example the Assembly of First Nations or American Indian Movement?"
The AIM movement is currently not a fan of MazaCoin. Because the developers (myself included) are white. They believe it to be a "white man's scam" at this point. As for First Nations there may be more sympathy there, but so far they are silent.
http://cryptominers.freeforums.org/getting-associates-t26.htmlIt seems to me that he is trying to get maza out to the Lakota by telling a few white lies. See, that's funny.  I think the Native American groups might have a different definition of 'white lie' than you were thinking of. |
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But the FUD spreaders are saying it is not official in the sense of vote by council. I don't know what the council of the Lakota said or did about it or what role they had. It isn't FUD, it is the truth. It has been loudly claimed on this forum that it was an official currency of the tribe. It isn't. That is the truth. It does't mean that the coin is designed as a scam, or that it isn't hoped that the tribe might adopt it. And we do know what the president of the council of the Lakota said about it. |
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Any hint how much BTC/Mh/s do we have here?
Scaling up from my own results, I'd guess somewhere around 0.007-0.0075 BTC/Mh/s, but that is pretty rough. |
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Not old news to everyone, not everyone saw that earlier.
Some people only saw some bogus report on the Emmy Award Winning News site Indianz.com
It wasn't bogus, and it wasn't from indianz.com, they were just reposting it. It was from Native Sun News: http://www.nsweekly.com/ |
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Currently I'm scratching my head at an earlier post which did blur things a little involving Bryan Brewer (who is not Bryan B on their twitter but I believe that's coincidence). Continuing research but even if this president has "reportedly" noto heard about the project and if the dev "did state" that he had spoken to him (though in the article it reads they have talked about it (Brewer and Payu but not made anything official). This could be somebody else involved jumping the gun down to Payu misinterpreting the last thing Brewer said.
Everyone should dig deeper though, it's a lot easier to make things seem fishy than it is to justify coincidences and accidents.
FWIW, I don't think Payu is a scammer. I think he has created the coin, and hopes that it might become used by the tribe. That has been spun by others trying pump the coin into 'It is the offical currency of the tribe', which isn't true. |
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Here's the explanation: the article asked the Oglala Sioux Tribe about MZC, unfortunately this is NOT THE SAME TRIBE as the Oglala Lakota Tribe. It's like I told you to call Mr. Smyth because he has important information, so you call Mr. Smith and get all up in arms when the guy doesn't know wtf you're talking about. In short, bad journalism. Go figure, it's on a complete shit site. That is simply not true. Go to the MazaCoin website: http://www.mazacoin.org/Click on the Traditional Lakota Nation link, which sends you to: http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.htmlThis is the organisation that the MazaCoin developers say they are working with. Click on Govenment, then Executive Committe, which takes you to: http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/-Executive_Committee.htmlYou will see that the President is Bryan Brewer. That is the same person the journalist talked to. If you go to the South Dakota Department of Tribal Relations page for the Ogala Sioux Tribe: http://www.sdtribalrelations.com/oglala.aspxYou will see that Bryan Brewer is the current President, and the 'View the Oglala Sioux Tribe's website' link takes you to: http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.htmlThe same site as above. Try doing your own research, rather than just believing anything you read in a tweet. [And on the http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/ website they refer to themselves as the Ogala Sioux.] [For whatever Wikipedia is worth, its entry starts with:The Oglala Lakota or Oglala Sioux (pronounced [oɡəˈlala], meaning "to scatter one's own" in Lakota language[5]) are one of the seven subtribes of the Lakota people, who along with the Nakota and Dakota, make up the Great Sioux Nation. A majority of the Oglala live on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota, the eighth-largest Native American reservation in the United States. The Oglala are a federally recognized tribe whose official title is the Oglala Sioux Tribe (previously called the Oglala Sioux Tribe of the Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota)."] |
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some people on this forum are better at investigative reporting than the wall street journal
lolololol
Well I always believe in the right to remain skeptical but Indianz.com doesn't exactly rank higher than WSJ on the credibility book either. At least they actually contacted the council and did some actual journalism, rather than just repeating the same press releases everyone else has. Also worth keeping in mind that it is a WSJ blog article, not a news story, and I doubt it is subject to the same level of fact checking. |
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Lakota Indians Adopt New Digital Currency, Mazacoin, as Legal Tender
Which is known to be a false statement. http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/012781.aspMan claims OST has launched own currency
Council and President taken by surprise
By Brandon Ecoffey
Native Sun News Managing Editor
PINE RIDGE — The Oglala Sioux Tribe supposedly launched its own national currency. However no one bothered to inform Tribal President Bryan Brewer or the Oglala Sioux Tribal Council.
When contacted by Native Sun News President Brewer said that he was unaware of any official move by the tribe to launch a new currency.
“There has been no action taken by the council to approve of a new currency. The economic development office gave a letter of support to Harris to continue to research the industry and that was it. As far as it being an official currency of the tribe that is not true at all. Any action like that would need to go through the council,” said President Brewer. |
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From the other thread: http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/012781.aspMan claims OST has launched own currency
Council and President taken by surprise
By Brandon Ecoffey
Native Sun News Managing Editor
PINE RIDGE — The Oglala Sioux Tribe supposedly launched its own national currency. However no one bothered to inform Tribal President Bryan Brewer or the Oglala Sioux Tribal Council.
When contacted by Native Sun News President Brewer said that he was unaware of any official move by the tribe to launch a new currency.
“There has been no action taken by the council to approve of a new currency. The economic development office gave a letter of support to Harris to continue to research the industry and that was it. As far as it being an official currency of the tribe that is not true at all. Any action like that would need to go through the council,” said President Brewer.
Last week Forbes Magazine reported that a new currency had been adopted by the Oglala Sioux Tribe and that the new currency was being promoted by Payu Harris and traded on the global market. Forbes claimed that Harris was a member of the tribe, however, there is no one on the rolls named Payu Harris or Payu Kimitsu. |
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http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/012781.aspMan claims OST has launched own currency Council and President taken by surprise By Brandon Ecoffey Native Sun News Managing Editor PINE RIDGE — The Oglala Sioux Tribe supposedly launched its own national currency. However no one bothered to inform Tribal President Bryan Brewer or the Oglala Sioux Tribal Council. When contacted by Native Sun News President Brewer said that he was unaware of any official move by the tribe to launch a new currency. “There has been no action taken by the council to approve of a new currency. The economic development office gave a letter of support to Harris to continue to research the industry and that was it. As far as it being an official currency of the tribe that is not true at all. Any action like that would need to go through the council,” said President Brewer. Anyone want to take back the claims of spreading FUD? |
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The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!
And in turn, the Republic of Lakota is in no way associated with the tribal council of the Lakota that is meant to be supporting the coin, so I'm not sure how much that matters. Longtime political activist Russell Means said, "We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by." He was part of the delegation's declaring the Lakota a sovereign nation with property rights over thousands of square miles in South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana.[21] The group stated that they do not act for or represent the tribal governments set up by the BIA or those Lakota who support the BIA system of government.[22]
The Lakota Freedom Delegation did not include any elected leaders from any of the tribes. Russell Means had previously run for president of the Oglala Sioux tribe and twice been defeated. Several elected BIA tribal governments issued statements distancing themselves from the independence declaration, with some saying they were watching the independent movement closely.[23] Although some Indigenous nations and groups around the world made statements in support, no elected Lakota tribal governments endorsed the declaration.
In January 2008, the Lakota Freedom Delegation split into two groups. One group was led by Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.). He is a leader of Cante Tenza, the traditional Strongheart Warrior Society, that has included leaders such as Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse. This group is called Lakota Oyate. The other group is called the "Republic of Lakotah" and is led by Russell Means. In December 2008, Lakota Oyate received the support and standing of the traditional treaty council of the Oglala Tiospayes. |
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