I was just thinking the same thing after looking at today's trading. Thought maybe there was a new exchange in Canada or something.

Thank you, not sure how to take that, but hope my visits here are perceived as positive for the future of the foundation.

Thank you for the responses. I know you have other things going on and it's much appreciated. I will try and stay more connected to your ideas, but still have a reservation on how this change is being marketed. I will wait to see the draft proposals and try to keep calm.

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For my own opinion on WhiteOutCoin, so far it does seem the majority want this and I do think the economics behind the IPO are sound, I've yet to see any meaty refutation as to why market forces would dictate WOC being a negative on WC. But, that said, if there is a way to safely implement a reasonable privacy feature into WC that is still my preferred option. 

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Maybe that is where we are a little off center on the economy of scales for the ratio between WC and WOC. You mention coin count is the only fair way and guess I am confused as my point was a 1:1 transfer of coin (e.g. 1 WC for 1 WOC). I am going to stop belaboring this point until we see a proposal. Making hypothetical, I would agree, is wasting time. Just seems to me you would focus on one coin and if that means tossing out WC for WOC, so be it, but don't have both. You don't have the resources and you can't even get the new wallets out and has taken a long  time to get the new logo out with the part-time devs. Don;t get me wrong, your DEV's appear to be doing a bang-up job (highly skilled), no doubt. As far as WC value, I'm sure as a group what is decided will be beneficial to those early adopters (who had faith in the coin) in terms of the value proposition to the new coin. But roughly stated, if I own 10 million coins and we mint to a new one within the same community, I would kind of expect the same coin count or valuation than someone that bought a nickle-worth and now wants to ride on the coat tales of those taking the larger risks. Hope that makes a little sense and why future investments are in a state of flux right now. Anyway, no need to respond, just spit-balling and trying to reach a quorum in a public forum.

I like the uptempo beat with the coin today with the press release and the web (much improvement) and I am also happy to see a few more folks chime in on the coin (although their status is newbie, their accounts and past messages are valid). We continue our discovery and validation of the Whitecoin Foundation to ensure legitimate marketing and operations for our clients. We would like to understand what the "Surf Dude" role is within the organisation. He appears to be pressing for a new coin (WOC) the hardest and we are only trying to determine the motivation. Likewise, we understand the code needs to be "forked" based on some other research we have conducted. Is this why the new coin is being proposed? Because there are some issues with the current?

We are not that technical, but trying to understand so please don't take offense to our query. If the current code has major issues and this new WOC is the only way to solve the issue (no other technical approach as determined by the communities) then by all means a more meaningful discussion should ensue. With that being said, the WOC is still causing a lot of angst within our camp. We are still seeing it as a way to devalue current WC investment and should any proposed stake benefit be implemented, would penalize those folks that trade the coin on the exchange (without stake).

We are only trying to understand the core value to the implementation of a new WOC coin that is connected to this coin. We are still thinking one or the others and a "one-for-one" coin exchange on the IPO is the only real safe and fair solution for the community. Unfortunately all we can do now is pause and observe your actions going forward and make our decisions based on how the greater WCF views its future. We do stand by you and only hope for the best as it benefits everyone to be united as to the direction of the coin.

This is the assumption that I am leaning toward as well and about done being nervous lol

Wow, such an articulated position. You hit it right on the money with every point. This is going against the grain here, careful.
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Sounds like this guys has burned you in the past? Trust me when I say I am not connected to him. Go back and read all my history like I suggested. I got burned on this coin from the start but held, and then almost on silk before I was able to get out. When I question something it means I have a logical concern and want answers. Without answers to those questions, speculation starts to creep in about what is going on behind the curtain. I don't know if you can really understand how it feels when you have so much at stake to lose. If you have only a few coins, it most likely doesn't matter. When I mention dump of coins, I do so because others might want to think about why I am doing so. I would never dump them all because there is always going to be some value for me unless this coin becomes de-listed. That is the biggest fear I have right now and am only hedging my position. Whitecoin as a community will last I am sure, but this is purely investment and that is where my involvement ends. I can bring in long-term investments but only with something that is stable in nature and has a good plan. Not having this coin organized with an official body and no roadmap is I think causing some folks to wonder just how well this is going to go. From what I understand all the devs are coding part-time here as well as other coins. Sounds like the talent base is also getting diluted

I want this coin to do well and thought I have made this clear. Just a little nervous with current operations as the message I am getting sounds no different that a few other communities. Everyone want to work together, but it becomes a big circle. Meh, do what you want,

My investment keeps this coin alive for the most part.

You are seriously adding merit to my statement of what the WCF is trying to do with the WC. Buy continuing the discussion on WOC and how you are giving only a portion the the WC value to the new coin, thereby diluting the current investment in favor of trying to push out another ALT so you can offer miners more work. Classic manipulation and with that, a healthy exit of not only me, but anyone with half a brain to see what you folks are planning. Push that button, go ahead.

I am not fooled and trust me when I say, my exit will be felt.

Dude seriously. Whitecoin looks bad not because of anything I say, rather the lack of any meaningful innovations to the exiting coin. Answer is to spin up another crap alt to add to the 200+ collection. The fact this conversation about WOC is still going on is signal enough for me.

Without independent validation of the poll (kind of like the failed US elections lol), I doubt I would trust the results. But it is a great start to get some feedback finally. Thank you!

You look back at my messages you will know that I am honest in my words and have no pump and dump agenda or affiliation with any of that for which you speak. I am only trying to determine why there is a sudden interest in another coin that could have a potential impact on my holdings as an investor. Seriously, this is the second or third time you have stated this accusation against me and quite frankly, it's getting a little old. Just because I am not a lemming, fanboy or cheerleader does not make me someone that is trying to manipulate the coin. You folks are all the same (well most) with your head in the sand. This is why the coin is not doing well. Too many egos and not enough insight to fully realize what I am saying. Troll on my friend, troll on.

Take my advice, drop to BTC while it's high and let these folks think about what they need to do. Newegg taking bitcoin now '

Perhaps I did not make my self clear. I stated I was oppose to a new coin, nothing to do with rejecting privacy in any statement I have ever made. Please show me where more than four or five people (out of hundreds) are supporting a new coin to dilute the current WC. If this is the only way to get ANON, then yes you could infer the position. Some call it attitude, I call it questioning the structure and organisation. There is nothing I can do at this point. It sounds like the wheels are in motion to create this new coin and it will ultimately wipe out the original WC for better or for worse. I am merely selecting to hedge my position before this eventuality removes value completely. Having said that, I think be shady with anon doesn't fair well with the image you are trying to sell, so you kind of contradict yourselves in that regard. White is suppose to be pure.

Good luck in your efforts as well.

Again, you keep bringing up "the community" and quite frankly have not provide any names of the community. I am in the community for that matter and most likely a hundred others, but I don't see a hundred others stating their support for your "community plans". This is called avoidance to the questions that I am asking and trying to response in a manner that is shallow and without substance. I want you to know that I will no longer support this coin based on what you have just stated and what I have learned over the last few days. You are not forthright with your dealings in your development and you are trying to create the illusion that there are hundreds of you support the idea of a new coin. This is simple not the case as evidence throughout your continued responses.

This is why your coin is trading at 120-140 sat and will most likely never attract new investment for a healthy currency. Just another failed ALT with wishful thinking and poor implementation. Even Hobo Nickles has a greater market cap. Please get the price a little higher so I can dump your coins back to you and take my camp to another coin that has a business plan and honestly looks out for the interest of their current investors

Good day Sir.

I am not saying I am against ANON. I am saying I against having yet another coin. I want to settle on a coin, one that is not pump and dump. I thought this was the coin and want to invest more. Now I have effectively put on the break and have told my camp the same. I don't think I am really reaching the right person to make my case. Who is in charge here?

If you are going to call me out on my previous post, please quote me because I have been more than civil on this forum. I don't appreciate you skirting the issues and unless you can answer my questions as to "who these folks are in support of this new coin" I will go ahead and call what you are doing "a scam" and an attempt to dilute current WC value in order to obtain additional mining revenue on a new coin. Please, don't insult my intelligence and make me out to be someone that is trying to harm this coin. I have a stake and right to be heard and to let others know that may not be within the "circle of decision".