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5061  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 14, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
Find me an implementation that does this change whilst safely covering for quadratic hashing with limitations?

The quadratic hashing issue is a non-problem. Any miner that creates a block that takes inordinate time to validate will find himself bankrupted by other miners who continue hashing on the same parent to find a peer solved block. Such a peer solved block will validate well before the aberrant block, leading to the aberrant block being orphaned. 'Problem' solved. With the incentives as they exist today. Unchanged.

what a pure blocksize increase brings to the table in terms of quadratic scaling slowdowns

Merely an unneeded approach to a non-problem. See above.

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Additionally touting the slim block submission as some technical advantage when all it leads to is every single miner starting to mine empty unverified blocks on every block change is a significant step backwards.

 If you are going to (try to) rebut the article, how about you actually rebut what it contains? There are exactly zero mentions of 'slim block submission' in the article. Do try to keep up - I don't think you have any idea what Xthin is.

That "emergent consensus" thing is a complete revamp of the security model,

Emergent consensus is -- once you strip away all the trappings of centralized planning -- the exact security model Bitcoin has enjoyed since day one.

However the block reward and halving dates would have to be updated, I guess the BTC core team is too stupid to use a calculator. 

Not exactly - reward and halving are not calculated to occur on specific dates, but rather block heights. We speak in terms of rough dates merely to simplify cognition for us humans.

  • We already have a risk variable called the nr. of Bitcoin nodes.
  • With LN you introduce another risk variable, called the nr. of LN hubs.
No. The LN hubs or lack thereof would just make routing harder. It does not pose a risk in the context that you're referring to.

You're slipping Lauda - your statements are usually at least semi-defensible from at least one narrow angle. This one is downright ludicrous no matter what viewpoint you come at it.

So @rusty_lightning is a liar?  And he's lying through his teeth?  And that's pathetic?

The only way that statement is not a lie, is be re-defining what Bitcoin actually _is_. The fact that you are trying to paper over this obvious observation is what is pathetic.

inb4: haha! you're pulling a slick willie!
5062  Economy / Speculation / Re: New down trend. $1000 definitively broken. on: February 13, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
If the winkle etf doesn't happen you can expect a bear fest. It will be ugly.

WHile that may be the likely outcome, we still have almost a full month for the price to pump on the ETF rumors, first.
5063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit on Bitcoin has Failed , BTC Core has Lost , The Miners have Won on: February 13, 2017, 11:36:10 PM
with current settings about consensus, SegWit has (unfortunately?) no chance to come to life.
I feel like the devs should have somehow enforced this

Perhaps Blockstream never wanted SegWit adoption. That 95% activation level seems to have been designed to fail from the get-go.
5064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 12, 2017, 05:16:49 PM
Still have not found how I can set my block size limit, it is a command line parameter or do I have to rebuild?

If you're running the GUI, you can set EB and AD from the Preferences dialog:



I don't know whether or not a restart is required.

Anything that both jbreher and franky1 can agree to must be a great idea.
I do hope that my sense of sarcasm isn't letting me down.

Read 'em and weep, Lauda.
5065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2017, 05:05:39 PM

Probably the latter. If the ETF is approved, I would expect the official websites for purchase to be:
schwab.com
fidelity.com
vanguard.com
etrade.com
scotttrade.com
...
etc.

Which, of course, is why ETF approval would likely be bullish.
5066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
lol, bitcoin has to 560fold for them to catch up. hm... long shot.  Cheesy

If bitcoin market cap were to equal that of gold's (today), that would be about the price.

#justsayin
5067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2017, 03:32:43 PM

Except $1080 is not moon. Accordingly, if 'moon and three sad kitties' has any validity at all (as if), we'd currently be existing the small drop after the booster stage.

Again - $1080 is not moon. $3 was moon in its day, as were $32, $266, and $1117. Today, moon would be somewhere around $7669.
5068  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: February 10, 2017, 11:22:20 PM
To build upon BurtW's work, it may be worthwhile to ask ourselves 'what is a reasonable share of the world's power production for Bitcoin mining to consume?'.

The Financial industry currently accounts for about 9% of US GDP.

Lacking any data one way or the other (i.e., as an initial conjecture), let us posit that this industry consumes power proportional to its share of GDP. Accordingly, let us posit that this financial sector consumes 9% of the world's (I made a leap there from US to global) power.

As Bitcoin increases in value, it seems absurd to think that it could do so without cannibalizing a fair share of the financial sector's share of GDP. Just as a hypothetical, let us assume that Bitcoin (i.e. direct p2p finance) can displace half of the financial industry.

Accordingly, let us allocate 4.5% market share -- and thereby power consumption -- to each of Bitcoin and legacy finance.

That would put us somewhere in the middle of era 3 for $500,000 per BTC, without increasing carbon footprint. Not too shabby.

Obviously, there are several SWAG proportion guesses that need analysis. But this framework may be helpful for sorting 'how bad is Bitcoin for the ecology?' issues.

Or from and alternative viewpoint, if Bitcoin were to increase to $250,000 per in the next several years, the issue of unemployed bankers would be a bigger problem than anthropogenic global warming. Oh-the-huge-manatee.gif
5069  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: February 10, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
you seriously say that bitcoin is pushing people away from the network because they have to pay a couple cents to send a transaction?

No. As has been pointed out over and over (and over and over and over and...), the fact that Bitcoin accommodates only about 250,000 transactions per day means precisely that Bitcoin accommodates only about 250,000 transactions per day. Period. No matter the fee, no more than about 250,000 can be processed per day. All others are (manifestly obviously) being pushed away. 'We don't want your business' is a pretty strong message. Say it often and long enough, and people start to believe it. So they'll take their business elsewhere. Obviously.

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it's impossible to scale onchain unless you want datacenters running nodes

Bald assertion unsupported by facts.

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A network of 5000 nodes ran by random people on their basements is indeed way more secure than a network run by super computers on isolated bunkers.

Basement dwellers with their meager resources working 5.687/3 (maybe longer if the owners are not too stoned to shut down QT for some quality gaming) are more valuable to security than robust systems running 24/7? Get a grip!

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As of the Bitcoin anonimity features, Mimblewimble, confidential transactions, schnorr sigs etc,

Again, Bitcoin has been unable to roll out a meager maxblocksize increase in four years. Mimblewimble? Maybe by the time the mining block reward expires. Maybe well before that - like 2047. Maybe.
5070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 10, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
The Chinese govt will not divide us.....from silver going up

https://i.imgur.com/fVOJcSa.png

2.5% over six days?


.... ooooh....kaaay....
5071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 10, 2017, 05:27:03 PM

Earwig. Low.

Stakes raised. Price targets now $3,678 or $551. Take your pick Wink

[im g]https://i.imgur.com/KuGbyuR.png[/img]

how can bitcoin price drop down, and not only drop down small but drastically to 500 range only because of something that never existed and gets denied for existence!!!
that makes no sense.

If one believes that expectations of ETF approval are already partly priced-in, it makes perfect sense.

I make no statement as to the probability of the precedent conjecture.
5072  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: February 10, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
Also are you really saying with a straight face that XMR (or any other coin) can take #1's BTC marketcap spot?

It admittedly seems a long shot today. However, if Bitcoin does not stop pushing usage away, where do you think people will go to make transactions?

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How can XMR deliver in its duty to be a censorship resistant tool when the network is centralized in such a small amount of nodes and it will only get worse as the blocksize becomes humongous?

Decentralization is not measured in absolute number of nodes. It is measured in lack of barriers in becoming a first-class citizen of the network. And while you seem to be panicked over your 300 Baud modem and an old PC-xt class of processing, the more forward looking amongst us understand something about the march of technological progress.

[OK... there was sarcasm employed there. A little.]

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Seems to me that BTC with the future anonymous feature additions will be safer.

OK, I'll bite... _what_ anonymous features? We've been working over four years on a simple maxblocksize increase.
5073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 10, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
actually its sgwit that tsited things to sound fluffy and glossy and as if they are promising perfection.
Franky bullshit as always. They have clearly presented the 'cons', i.e. negative sides of Segwit on the Core website: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/28/segwit-costs/

Let me leave this gem in here:



Yeah. The fact that the cartoonist can't spell just adds to the value.
5074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 09, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Jeeze - settle down, guys. Did you really need to extract fiat value from your bitcoin today?

This bloodbath will be over long before this day is. And then we'll resume our inexorable climb. Because -- whether or not they yet realize it -- the people of the world need a form of money that can be emailed p2p, and is free from the ravages of the vampire squid.
5075  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would you store >100 Bitcoins? on: February 09, 2017, 03:17:20 PM
First, sorry for your loss. That said...

But I was used a cold wallet, I download the bitcoin wallet software on the internet.

We seem to have a terminology problem here. By definition, a cold wallet is one that does not exist on an internet-connected computer. Period.

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But unfortunately, my laptop has crash (there was a problem with the HDD drive) so I have to replace new HHD drive, thats mean all the offline document has gone (include my btc).

Most contemporary wallets allow generating a key phrase, which you write down and store in a secure place. Using this key phrase, you can recover all your bitcoins. Too late now, but next time use this feature.

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And I decide to use online wallet.

This comes with its own risks. If you are not the sole controller of the private keys, someone else can spend 'your' bitcoins.
5076  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would you store >100 Bitcoins? on: February 09, 2017, 03:02:28 PM
Paper wallet ... reformat your personal computer

U R doing it rong.

What exactly do you think the 'paper' in 'paper wallet' is meant to denote?
5077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU? on: February 09, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
...aaaand a partial rebuttal.

Unlimited is not a great solution

In implementing emergent consensus, BU is a near-ideal solution.

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and it won't be adopted.

Umm, you sure you want to go with that? That's an awfully strange statement to make, while d(BUHashpower)/dt and d(BUNodes)/dt are both positive.

Nodes up over 30% in last two weeks alone: https://coin.dance/nodes/unlimited.

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The real fight is to just increase the effing blocksize with a simple hard fork AS WAS DONE IN 2014 ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS AND WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. 

I can get behind that. But I don't want to face the same stupid value-destroying battle every year. BU solves this.

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Unlimited only exists to block Segwit

All right, now you've pissed me off. Who are you to tell those behind BU what its purpose is? You are 100%, categorically, indisputably, wrong in this assertion.

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Unlimited blocks now surpass Segwit blocks.

In full disclosure, SegWit has retaken a slight lead. We'll see where this goes.

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I think this conveys some sense of urgency to Core, which is long overdue, given that they've had their thumbs up their butts for FOUR+ YEARS now on this blocksize problem.

Indeed. Absolute failure of leadership.

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Ver seems convinced that more usage = higher price which ignores velocity and isn't necessarily true. Supply and demand still applies no matter what.


Laws of supply and demand generally apply to price discovery of labor and assets, not currencies.

Inasmusch as cryptocurrency is more of a new asset class than a 'classical' currency, should we not consider the verdict still out as to its adherence to traditional money behaviors?

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The US Federal Reserve doubled the money supply in 2008-12 but the USD value remained constant, did you wonder how they did that?

That's easy - they did it by giving the money they created to already-rich entities that did not need it for anything. Accordingly, it did not get spent. It merely got set aside, propping up Wall Street, thereby displaying a velocity asymptotically approaching zero.

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Also, BTC velocity is a touchy subject because much of the transaction base is spam and churn.

Inasmuch as there is no objective way of looking at any given transaction, and classifying it as spam or notspam, I 'forbid' you from using this characterization. OK, 'forbid' gets a winkie: Wink But the term 'spam' is useless.

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I think Ver is stating the obvious that if Bitcoin is not useful to people, its value will go to zero. Hard to argue that. The BTC supply increases every day, and demand is likely increasing due to greater global acceptance and tightening capital controls. But how will millions of new users adopt Bitcoin? I can tell you that someone who waits 24 hours for their transaction to confirm will not be back...

Yup.

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Blocking Segwit seems to be just anti-Blockstream paranoia or a ploy by miners to keep the fees up for as long as they can.

Valid theories but no hard evidence. I think Blockstream has been a bit shady of late. I'm not sure there is such a thing as a $100 million corporation WITHOUT a profit motive and a plan to execute on.  I find it strange to be in the company of Gavin, Ver, Hearn, etc., as I regard them as generally less tech-savvy than Core devs. Often times the most important thing is to "know what you don't know". I feel like the Core devs aren't aware of their lack of economic knowledge and outside perspective, or alternately (and far less likely) that they are playing dumb and have been compromised by a hidden agenda from Blockstream.

Yeah, I'm unsure what to think about Blockstream. I certainly hope they have the best interests of the system -- in a Nakamoto sense -- as a driving principle. But it is hard to ignore dozens of millions from the barons of fiat.

Didja see Dr. Back's discussion on r/btc yesterday? Quite a hoot!

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Unless an anti-segwit person comes up with and implements a real alternative scaling solution

Hard fork to 2MB, and then immediately start screaming about the next increase to 4MB in ten years immediately.

FTFY. Until we started regularly bumping against block size limit last year, block size had been doing roughly 2x per year. BU solves this issue once and for all. Elegantly.
5078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 09, 2017, 02:34:52 PM
Today:
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Buy the dip
Sell the bounce
Buy the dip

Tomorrow:
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce

Net: Same # BTC, a little fiat in pocket. Most likely resuming our upward trajectory. Loving the volatility. Not a bad day.
5079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adam Back thinks he is the inventor of Bitcoin on: February 09, 2017, 12:58:48 PM
I think you gotta give him a little credit for doing HashCash.

I do. As I point out above, hashcash was a significant innovation. That's why it is particularly galling - his position is assured without overreaching for this specious claim.
5080  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adam Back thinks he is the inventor of Bitcoin on: February 09, 2017, 04:51:34 AM
Adam Back and Hal Finney together are Satoshi.

Admittedly plausible, but highly improbable.

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Nothing Adam back said is false.

You must have never been in the position of sifting through resumes to fill a SW Engineering slot. 'Bitcoin is nothing but hashcash with inflation control' is the type of pompous exaggeration that sends your submission straight to the circular file.
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