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5081  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] [CONCEPT] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 19, 2012, 11:26:00 AM
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I don't know what kind of bubble you live in

If your defense is "oh but I didn't know cause I don't read the forums or mpex or go on IRC or anything else" that means YOU are the one in the bubble. Good luck with that.
5082  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] [CONCEPT] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 19, 2012, 10:55:57 AM
There's a very simple path to sportsmanship: Announce your foregoers so that they do not have to do it for you.
5083  Economy / Securities / Re: [MPEx] Introducing B.PPTAPR.SYNTH, or Now You Too Can Be Short Pirate (tm). on: April 19, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
In principle. In practical terms the owner can use the money to buy those very shares, or in other words it works just about even.
5084  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] [CONCEPT] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 19, 2012, 09:55:23 AM
Yes, this was announced in principle two days ago and is now trading on MPEx.

To piggyback you have to be faster and more decided than that.
5085  Economy / Securities / [MPEx] Introducing B.PPTAPR.SYNTH, or Now You Too Can Be Short Pirate (tm). on: April 19, 2012, 09:30:03 AM
Quoting from the asset page:

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The holders of this asset on the date of May the 21st at 23:59:59 UTC time will receive a single dividend payment of 0.00128000 BTC per share, provided that in the interval there did not occur a credit event as defined below. At that date, or at the date of the credit event (whichever comes sooner) the due dividend if any will be paid, this asset will discontinue trading on MPEx and all existing shares will be discarded as worthless.

A credit event is defined, for the puproses of this contract, as any one of the following :
Any of the promised PPT issuances in the interval fails to take place within 24 hours of its stated date. The original language of the original issuer reads :
What are you selling?
Each week we will auction off up to 2000 zero coupon bonds with a face value of 1.28 BTC that will mature exactly 27 days 22 hours after the close of the bond auction.

When will the bond auctions take place?
The bond auctions will take place every Saturday morning at 2 AM UTC. That is every Friday evening at 7 PM PDT, 8 PM MDT, 9 PM CDT and 10 PM EDT.
Thus, in the interval April 19 10:00:00 UTC and May 21, at 23:59:59 UTC there must appear five such offerings, specifically no later than the 21st of April, 28th of April, 5th of May, 12th of May and 19th of May. Since the issuer reserves the right to issue fewer than the stated 2`000, any issuance of less than 10% of that maximum, or 200 shares of 1 BTC principal each or at any rate shares of total value less than 200 BTC will be considered a full credit event.

Any of the PPT issued in agreement with the original terms by the original issuer fails to pay the promised dividend within 12 hours of the stated time. The original laungage of the original issuer reads :
When will the bonds mature and pay me my money?
The bonds will pay the face value of 1.28 BTC exactly 27 days and 22 hours after the close of the bond auction on Saturday mornings at 12 AM UTC. That is every Friday evening at 5 PM PDT, 6 PM MDT, 7 PM CDT and 8 PM EDT.
thus payments must be made no later than by the following midnight, UTC time.

There is convincing proof brought in any public venue by respected members of the community that the underlying issuer for the PPT issue (that is pirateat40's opperation, whatever it may be called by that time) has either ceased to make due payments on his debt or has negotiated lower payments than the originally promised 7% a week. The original language of that issuer reads in pertinent part,
7-Day Interest Rate on Deposits (based on average balance)
100 BTC + 4.2%
500 BTC + 5.6%
2000 BTC + 7.0%

The total ammount issued in the five PPT issues due until the expiration of this instrument is less than 10`000 BTC worth, however those shares may be split up. In this case the dividend paid on this instrument will be a fraction of its face value equal to the proportion of PPT issues out of 10`000 BTC worth. So as an example if the first PPT issues 2`000 BTC worth of shares, and the four subsequent ones each issue 1`000 BTC worth of shares the holders of this instrument will receive 0.00050000 BTC per share held. Note that this point only discusses the volume of issued shares, and is not concerned with the proportion actually sold.
It is the owner's considered oppinion that there is significant risk involved in buying this asset (specifically, the underlying of the underlying is in all likeliness a Ponzi scheme in the final phase of its operation). Consequently this issue is not adequate for the needs of the small or unsophisticated investor. You would be well advised to only invest sums that you do not immediately depend upon.

This issue is available for shorting, inquire with the owner for borrowing shares.
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Have fun now!
5086  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [MPEx] Announcing interest on balances held. Also margin trading available. on: April 19, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
Thank you, this has been committed Smiley
5087  Economy / Securities / Re: (TyGrr) TyGrr-Bank 2.5% weekly dividends on: April 18, 2012, 06:17:25 PM
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There also needs to be a contract between GLBSE and the asset holder which can't be changed at the whim of GLBSE.

You mean sort-of like MPEx does it? Yeah.
5088  Economy / Marketplace / Re: MPEx goes live! on: April 18, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
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the style of graphs on the main page differ from those on the individual asset pages (prices as diamonds versus candlesticks).

Yes. The space was not judged sufficient to actually make any useful candlesticks (both because finite-pixel rounding errors and superimposition with volume bars) and also due to the litany of symbols on offer candlesticks might have been significant load. But other than the fact vwa prices are shown as dots (diamonds) there's little changed, scale works the same exact way.
5089  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [MPEx] Announcing interest on balances held. Also margin trading available. on: April 18, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
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MPEx now lists a bunch of options with the same terms as those on MPOE. On MPEx, traders can now more easily set their own prices and even write options, so long as they have significant BTC backing, so there is no counterparty risk.

This is correct. It does miss some points, to wit:

1. On MPOE the fee for selling was 1%. On MPEx it is 0.2%. This is simply due to the significant drop in clerical costs necessary to enter and clear transactions.
2. On MPOE the traders selling to the market (so not to MPOE itself) had to enter their bids via email, which adds a delay. On MPEx this is done instantaneously and with much less hassle. On MPOE there was no order cancellation, this exists in MPEx.
3. Traders could still write their own options on MPOE as long as they had the backing, nothing changed in that respect.

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MPOE acts as a market maker and any options it writes are treated in the same way as if they were sold on MPOE (i.e. MPOE bond and shareholders share the risk of loss or the benefit of gains).

This is correct.

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If I split some bitcoin into call and put options and sell them, then MPOE has nothing to do with this transaction, as the transaction is between me and the trader who bought the options, and MPEx acts just as the escrow to ensure that the option is fulfilled.

This is also correct. As long as you don't sell/buy into an MPOE order then MPOE is no party to your transaction.

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Note: I'm still unclear on the MKOPT command and how exactly it differs from the SPLIT command, but that's a question for another post/thread.

SPLIT creates CALL and PUT pairs, at no cost. Thus if you split 100 BTC when the BTC/USD is 5.0 and ask for a strike of 5.0 you will receive 50 O.BTCUSD.C050T and 50 O.BTCUSD.P050T.

MKOPT creates an arbitrary number of either CALL or PUT options, at a cost of 2%. Thus if you want 100 O.BTCUSD.C050T you will be charged 102 BTC, of which 100 are held in reserve and returned upon those options' expiration out of the money (in full) or exercise (in part).

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Side question: Is interest paid on BTC balances held in escrow to cover the potential for options being exercised, or on BTC held for unfilled orders?

There is no interest paid on balances held in escrow (to cover for written options). Interest is paid exclusively on BTC balances held as cash in your account (there is no interest paid in BTC locked up in buy orders in the book either, for instance).

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It is true the same as before that MPOE and MPEx customers have counterparty risk with Mircea Popescu, and the continued functioning of both rests on him continuing to make good on his obligations. Nothing has changed, whether MP pays interest or not.

This is true.

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When MPOE was small, the risk of having MP as the "lender of last resort" was small, as any losses he incurs were small relative to the value of his reputation.

This is also true, of course it speaks of a somewhat (at least in bitcoin terms) distant past.

December 2011 for instance saw a total exposure over 5k contracts, which was entirely financed by Mircea Popescu. While it is true that March 2011 saw total exposure of ~3.5k contracts, which is significant, and April is on track to probably beat that, there are significant amounts deposited in bonds (for instance in March Mircea Popescu himself didn't get to lend a single bitcent to financing MPOE).

This would mean that in terms of exposure to the underwriting done by MPOE the record of December 2011 might take a while to beat. As a general principle I understand the policy on this subject to be "superficial tension", which is to say in the ideal case Mircea Popescu's capital is right there and available but not really actually needed. Obviously like all macrofinance it's a balancing act.

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As the various MP enterprises grow, however, customers should be more concerned about what MP does with bitcoins so they can make a proper assessment of the counterparty risk they are taking on.

This is very true, and it is in recognition of this very valid and very important observation that I am here to begin with, that a lot of effort is being invested into rather elaborate (and, to be fair, standards-establishing for the bitcoin community) reporting and so on.

If there is ever to exist real bitcoin economy, and if bitcoin is ever to be taken seriously as a medium of exchange, customers do indeed need to be very concerned about what their counterparties (and not just MP) do with the bitcoins, what the business plans actually are, what the quality of published information is and so forth.

I would dare say that the most important thing any one person with over a hundred bitcoins to their name can do right now, today, to ensure a future for bitcoin is precisely to take every care to make proper assessment of all counterparty risk they are taking on, to insist on disclosures and so forth.

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This becomes especially true as MP issues more and more assets (e.g. PURE.SYNTH, which is not backed by underlying assets.)

Absolutely. Synthetic assets of that type are probably the best example of an instrument that profoundly involves the credit of the issuer. Let's pause a moment and take note of the truly extraordinary circumstance that such fiat issuance is beyond the conceivable in the "real" world of fiat currencies, as maligned as they may be, yet it is not only common but almost the norm in the "realer" world of bitcoin, which isn't fiat (and has no inflation - other than the 35% a year from mined inflows ofcourse). In fact Mircea Popescu's issue of PURE.SYNTH is... not quite as unbridled, so to speak, as a large swath of securities or instruments purporting to be securities at the present moment floating about.

Then again bitcoin is young.
5090  Other / Off-topic / Re: Mini Rig announcement by Butterfly Labs - 25gh/s on: April 18, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
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Funnily enough it is exactly this profiteer nature that I think will be the death of BTC come block reward halving and December 2012.

It IS funny, given that it's probably exactly the other way around: this profiteer nature is BTC's only chance to swim. Everything else sinks.
5091  Economy / Marketplace / Re: MPEx goes live! on: April 18, 2012, 10:30:21 AM
Actually the drawing is wrong in one point, which is to say the low point on the price scale should read 2433 not 2043. I hope for my sake this is obvious enough and I don't have to redo it.
5092  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [MPEx] Announcing interest on balances held. Also margin trading available. on: April 18, 2012, 10:29:45 AM
You're mixing non miscibles. Granted, the situation has grown quite complex - it's almost as if we were doing high finance over here. Let me try to shine some light on the matter:

MPEx is the stocks (& options) exchange. On it, people trade these. All balances carry the full guarantee of Mircea Popescu, and are held at no risk as far as the trader is concerned. The interest paid on balances reflects simply the fact that while someone holds a claim on Mircea Popescu as proven by an MPEx balance, that someone doesn't also hold the corresponding bitcoins.

MPOE used to be an options-only exchange, but due to superior technology available on MPEx it has pretty much moved there, as an options MM / trade bot (the original site still exists, is working and takes orders from customers that don't want to or can't trade on MPEx, it's just that a majority of its customers moved to MPEx too). It is still financed exactly as originally described, the risk and rewards are divided exactly as originally described.

In short: the traders on MPEx derive no benefit and shoulder no risk arising from the activity of one of them (MPOE). If indeed Mircea Popescu uses deposited bitcoins to cover options losses, or to buy himself a toothpick or whatever else that'd be his problem and in no way degrades the claim MPEx customers have to their full balance. Bondholders of MPOE on the other hand hold a claim to their full principal deposited with MPOE plus interest if and only if MPOE closes in the black. If it closes in the red they are liable proportionally as described in the original IPO.

That said, one important point is that the exact numbers are tentative - there's no guarantee that interest on MPEx balances will stay at 80% MPBOR forever. We're doing some measurements, experimentation is the mother of science etc. It's also possible that the maximum rate on MPOE bonds (2%) is excessively small and might move in the future. This is still a contentious point in the board and they're yelling at each other on pretty much a daily basis about it since at least February. On one hand 26.8% APR is a pretty hefty rate, especially for a supposedly non-inflationary currency. On the other the market signals are pretty clear that it's very low, seeing how the utilities (miners, basically) are customarily doing significantly higher rates. The way in which capital reserves are calculated for MPOE is certainly a hack introduced for speed and ease (total contract exposure, as opposed to the more sane maximal contract exposure) and will be probably revised in the future.

The question of a merger between MPOE and MPEx is also on the table, mostly on the grounds that there's significant similarity of risk profile (ie, for a counterparty it's unlikely that one fails while the other stands, but moreover both stand or both fail, so they are practically the same company in this sense) and little point in having separate issues floating about. In any event the merger would be in equity only, leaving the two to operate as independent profit centers or somesuch.

I hope you had fun reading Smiley
5093  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANNOUNCE GLBSE] Pirate Pass Through Bonds on: April 17, 2012, 05:30:49 PM
It does stand for public relations.
5094  Economy / Services / Re: Three drawings required, paying 5 BTC each. on: April 17, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Not really. Granted mermaids are probably the most difficult of the three.
5095  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANNOUNCE GLBSE] Pirate Pass Through Bonds on: April 17, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
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And I'm guessing I can't buy them below face value?

Actually, yes you will be able to. There's going to be a synthetic issue (pretty much a vehicle for Mircea Popescu to short this entire operation) offered on MPEx so stay tuned.
5096  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BFL Mini-Rig Order Date/Ship Date on: April 17, 2012, 03:13:54 PM
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Before you hit "reply" I am being serious that anything you could possible think of saying right now (not matter how unique you may believe it is) has likely already been debated back and forth ad naseum.  It would be a good idea to search and skim through the thousands of post which already covered every possible angle of the issue.

It made me chuckle. So true...
5097  Economy / Services / Re: Three drawings required, paying 5 BTC each. on: April 17, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
Haha, apparently big noses work too. Your dragon's accepted, you can admire it on MPEx now. Transaction http://blockchain.info/tx-index/4010313/de92617fb24db124cb61cd8d96dfaf8543253258290bf6e2e4ae374bb1cbfbfe
5098  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust on: April 17, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
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In 2010, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) warned that "[t]he con artists behind HYIPs are experts at using social media — including YouTube, Twitter and Facebook — to lure investors and create the illusion of social consensus that these investments are legitimate."
[...]
Some HYIP operators opened their own digital currency companies that eventually folded; these companies include Standard Reserve, OSGold, INTGold, EvoCash, and V-Money.
[...]
The largest documented HYIP scam was OSGold, founded as an e-gold imitation in 2001 by David Reed. OSGold folded in 2002. According to a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in early 2005, the operators of OSGold may have made off with USD $250 million. CNet reported that "at the height of its popularity, the OSGold currency boasted more than 60,000 accounts created by people drawn to promises of "high yield" investments that would provide guaranteed monthly returns of 30 percent to 45 percent."
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The second largest documented HYIP was PIPS (People in Profit System or Pure Investors). The investment scheme was started by Bryan Marsden in early 2004 and spanned more than 20 countries. PIPS was investigated by Bank Negara Malaysia in 2005 which resulted in Marsden and his wife being charged in a Malaysian court with 97 counts of money laundering more than 77 million RM, equivalent to $20 million. Even after these charges were brought forth, many of Marsden's followers and investors continued to support him and believe they would see their money in the future.

There is no 7% a week. Deal with it.
5099  Economy / Services / Re: Three drawings required, paying 5 BTC each. on: April 17, 2012, 10:01:55 AM
Actually it's kinda vampy.... I think you need bigger heads for cute.
5100  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust on: April 17, 2012, 09:59:40 AM
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I would be more interested in how many reserves the "trust" still has. E.g. what would happen if the 10 biggest accounts cash out at the same time. Right now.

This.

Scenario.

I. Buy, borrow or steal 1k btc.

II. Open Krakken Bank of Bitcoin, October 1st (as we all know krakken eat pirates). Offer 7% per week to investors. At this point it makes sense strategically to open it only to "selected" investors - most everybody isn't interested anyway so you gain some "mystique" that costs nothing.

III. 1st of November. Collected a few hundred in principal, paid maybe 10-20 BTCs from your 1k. BuKK stands at a few hundred btc invested + the goodwill of paid investors, you stand at ~980 BTC.

IV. 1st of December. Collected about 1k BTC in principal, paid ~200 BTC from your 1k. BuKK stands at 1k invested, buzz is starting to fly. You're ~750 BTC.

V. 1st of January. Collected 2-3k BTC, paid pretty much the remainder of your original balance. Start making little noises here and there about how you "own" the bitcoin market and delicately suggest to people that your moves actually have any impact (a ludicrous concept, but it served the bankers of old fiat well).

VI. 1st of February. Things start to balloon from here. BuKK principal is easily over 10k BTC, growth rates in the 10 to 20% range each week. Replenish your original 1k with some fringe just in case, pay the suckers their "interest" from the growth rate like any serious pirate/krakken/anything else designed-to-fail ponzi scheme. Do a lot of mouthing about imaginary investment opportunities irl or at the irl/btc interface that somehow magically net you what no business in the ~1000 years of business history ever made and each hyip in the ~10000 years of hyip history always claimed.

Huh

VII. Fail. A well, certainly not the first time, certainly not the last time, it's a pity to let a sucker keep its bitcoin and all that. Not like any lessons are liable to be learned or anything of the sort.

What's that, June? September? May? Heck, with a little luck it might even survive till the reward halving.
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