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5101  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin not decentralized anymore? on: June 21, 2014, 07:10:41 AM
Proof of Activity: Extending Bitcoin’s Proof of Work via Proof of Stake

http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/452.pdf
No, no, no, no.

PoS is a great way to shell out lots of coins to those who already have lots of coins, or the world's greatest pre-mine scamming system ever.

Sure, it may eliminate PoW issues, but giving out the coins is far worse than mining them at a high difficulty. I'd rather have the community mine then have them sit there and collect coins for no reason. And, guess what! Few coins with PoS have been very successful in terms of adoption...

PoA is not PoS. read the paper. Activity (run a full node) is the matter for which the full node receive a portion of the reward sometimes. not only the strongest ones also the not so strongest ones. and this will help to develop the network of full nodes. otherwise it will turn to centralization in the next time because there is no incentive to run a full node with little hash power. little hash power will go into pools as the situation is since years. it is time to change the minting process. now!

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Money supply

With pure Proof of Stake cryptocurrencies, distributing the coins to the interested parties in fair manner is
less straightforward than with PoW cryptocurrencies. For example, it is informative to observe the hardships
that Ripple runs into as it handles the initial distribution of its built-in coin [38].

With PoA, we have the bene t of the PoW aspect that is incorporated into the system, which can be
used for handling the initial distribution of the coins. However, if the PoA protocol speci es that the block
reward subsidy is divided about equally between the miner and the N lucky stakeholders, starting from the
genesis block, then this is likely to enable the rich to get richer in an unfair manner. One alternative is to
use a pure PoW protocol until the fi rst block reward halving after 4 years, and only then roll out the full
PoA scheme. Another alternative is to always give the entire reward subsidy to the PoW miner who solved
the block, and share the transaction fees between this miner and the N lucky stakeholders. This may imply
that users will have to pay nontrivial transaction fees starting from the genesis block, in order to incentivize
stakeholders to run full online nodes. However, it is reasonable to expect that the fees paid to stakeholders
would not be excessive. This should mean that the added incentive to hoard will be small, i.e. the fees can
be a nice added bonus if the stakeholder wishes to save the coins anyway, but if she has alternative uses for
the wealth then these fees will not be enough to make her hold.

The apportionment can be speci ed according to certain constants. The portion that goes to the Nth
stakeholder should be relatively big, unless perhaps if all the N lucky stakeholders must maintain the UTXO
set (see Section 3.2.2). E.g., with N = 3 the protocol can dictate that 1/2 of the reward goes the miner, 1/4
goes to the 3rd stakeholder, and 1/8 goes to each of the two other stakeholders. The apportionment can also
be dynamic, in accordance with Section 3.2.1.

5102  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Ghash.IO is awesome. on: June 20, 2014, 05:20:33 PM
the pool should reach 51% again to put a lot of pressure to the core devs to find a solution for this ongoning centralized pool issue.
5103  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Activity Proposal on: June 20, 2014, 04:30:53 PM
can it be combined with a distributed mixer? PoA nodes should be mixer nodes too?
5104  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New girl getting into Bitcoin, seeking advice!! c: on: June 20, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
PoS first?!?
5105  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Activity Proposal on: June 20, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
is there a full reference implementation to extend a full Bitcoin node with PoA?
5106  Local / Presse / Re: Änderung des Bitcoin - Protokolls vorgeschlagen! on: June 20, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
es sollte von vornherein ausgeschlossen sein, egal ob praktikabel oder nicht. andernfalls hat Bitcoin eine Designlücke.
5107  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Not using P2Pool? Why? on: June 20, 2014, 10:24:29 AM
integrate it in Bitcoin core. do an active development. solve the issues with ASIC.
5108  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Activity Proposal on: June 20, 2014, 09:40:58 AM
found the news about PoA by accident.
5109  Bitcoin / Mining / "Proof of Activity" protocol extension on: June 20, 2014, 09:27:26 AM
Found the news by accident. Where is the discussion here on this forum in public?

http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/452.pdf
5110  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: *** GHash.IO mining pool official page *** on: June 13, 2014, 10:07:23 PM
End ghash and their users

If you don't have a miner, help by ddosing

We need to also find ip addresses of users and big miners that use them

End them all

found one ip!

127.0.0.1

please ddos!
5111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Dev Sells 50% of his Bitcoin due to 51% threat. on: June 13, 2014, 09:15:04 PM
Is he concerned about a design flaw within Bitcoin or a design flaw with the open source project system?

ACH/EFT has had numerous attacks against it and numerous design flaws. The responsible team discovers the problem and corrects it, no big deal. That's what needs to happen with the design flaws within Bitcoin. The problem isn't that Bitcoin has a basic design flaw it's that no one is fixing it.


Solutions are already being talked about.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/282j4m/petamine_1150_ths_is_considering_joining_p2pool/

P2Pool with a subsidy provided by the greater community (I'd throw them a couple coins a year) would do wonders. It could very easily become the most profitable place to mine if the community made it so.

I'm anticipating this being the scenario in the not too distant future.

I've been reading this 51% attack crap since early 2011 and it isn't fixed yet. Why? Is it because back then it was just Tycho, Slush, Eleuthria, Graet, LukeJr and a few others. They are all swell guys and would never hurt the network, right? Well, that's the thinking of a child's mind. You don't let a major issue sit unsolved for over three years where money is involved. I read a thread once where Gavin was talking to etotheipi and rambling on about prioritizing issues because he could only handle so much at a time. Tough shit. You can't handle the workload then get more people. Bitcoin is no longer here just to intellectually stimulate a select group of developers. It's real money we're talking about.
+1

same situation like "Transaction Malleability" and the mtgox desaster. such gaps have to be fixed and not let the bad boys take advantage of it!
5112  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Dev Sells 50% of his Bitcoin due to 51% threat. on: June 13, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
5113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's already 48%, No one care about Ghash? on: June 13, 2014, 06:23:06 AM
it just happened.

https://blockchain.info/de/double-spends
5114  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Satoshi only spent 50 BTC. Here's where those coins are now on: June 13, 2014, 06:02:32 AM
private keys are lost.  Roll Eyes
5115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin about to be 51%ed??? on: June 11, 2014, 04:11:52 AM
in the end greed always wins  Undecided
trusting a company with your interests is not a decentralized system
+1

Bitcoin is based on greed!
5116  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: GHash is at 48% WTF on: June 09, 2014, 07:54:22 AM
somehow interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/279sex/ghashio_double_spending/
5117  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Welche Hardware um 2 Bitcoin monatlich zu generieren ? on: June 08, 2014, 08:39:56 PM
Meine Projektion ist, daß die Miner, die heute produziert (und auch verkauft) werden, in Zukunft auch genutzt werden,
Du scheinst davon auszugehen, daß die zwar produziert (und gekauft) werden, aber nie anfangen werden zu minen.

was meinst du denn wieviel miner produziert werden müssen um bei der hohen difficulty noch einen anstieg von 30% nach ca. 14 tagen zu erreichen. und danach 30% von dieser neuen diff. usw.

ich meine miner und keine chips. dazu gehört eine stromversorgung. die müssen irgendwo untergestellt werden. eventuell gekühlt. die verbrauchen strom.
5118  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Welche Hardware um 2 Bitcoin monatlich zu generieren ? on: June 08, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
Hier,
sieht das nach nem gesättigten Markt aus?

daten aus der vergangenheit projizierst du in die zukunft? isch glaub es nicht! isch glaub es einfach nicht!  Grin
5119  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Welche Hardware um 2 Bitcoin monatlich zu generieren ? on: June 08, 2014, 08:19:15 PM
das Dein gesättigter Markt (noch?) nicht existiert.

beweise mir das bitte. dass wir garantiert weiteres wachstum haben werden und nicht nur volatilität.

die sättigungskurve findest du überall. warum sollte das bei Bitcoin anders sein? definiere bitte die obergrenze. oder gehts du von unendlichem wachstum aus??
5120  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Welche Hardware um 2 Bitcoin monatlich zu generieren ? on: June 08, 2014, 08:10:57 PM
Solange die ASIC-Produzenten ASICs produzieren, wird die Diffculty steigen.
Selbst wenn die Produzenten keine Abnehmer mehr finden (was ja sogar bei den heutigen Wucherpreisen kein Problem zu sein scheint), können sie die Dinger immernoch selbst einsetzten Die Produktion an sich ist schließlich das billigste an der ganzen Sache und je mehr sie produzieren, desto billiger wirds.

hier vernachlässigst du wieder die hosting und stromkosten. irgendwann rechnet sich das auch für die nicht mehr.
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