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5121  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Liberals, why do you like Bitcoin? on: May 28, 2011, 09:47:30 PM
Whats stopping the state from creating it's own block-chain, applying constraints on that block-chain  so that taxes in some form are collected and social services offered?

Nothing, technically.  But the question is, who would use that system over Bitcoin?
5122  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A Heroin Store on: May 28, 2011, 07:23:57 AM
now that's just slick
5123  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 28, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
Come on. Everyone must have realized the Nobel Prizes have become worthless when they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a warmonger.

The Nobel Prize for Economics is not granted by the Nobel Prize Committee.  It's not really even related to the Nobel Prize.  It's given out by the Central Bank Board in honor of the Nobel Prize.  Basicly, if your economic theories are favorable to the central banks of the world, you're in the running.  Otherwise, you will never win.
5124  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think bitcoin is a great idea but my friend doesn't on: May 28, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
I'm not from the USA.

The euro is next.

Bullsh*t.  The Euro is first.  There is nothing underpinning the European Economic Union or the Euro itself beyond faith.  At least the US FRN has an army with a single command structure.  The Germans can't tax Greece if they tell them to bugger off and go start their own national currency again, and France can't buy German goods if Germans do the same.
5125  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 28, 2011, 02:54:43 AM
Inflation is actually low if one considers M3 (known monetary base + credit issued, etc) as opposed to simply M1 (monetary base).  The reason here would be because of the large amount of debt that was destroyed due to the real estate crash.  Even with the doubling of M1 since 2007, the paper value destroyed by the forclosures and general drop in home values exceeds the rise in M1.

Using price increases as your measurement for inflation, whether you include food and energy or not, is a fundamentally flawed method.

My impression of the situation is this...

From 2008, the monetary base (M0, I thought) has tripled. The reason we haven't seen increased prices due to this inflation is because banks have increased their reserves, which means they are not lending. In fact, I have heard (though have not found sources) that the Fed is paying banks interest on their excess reserves as an incentive.

This seems strange to me, as the stated point of the bank bailout was to increase the availability of credit. But as soon as the banks start loaning again, that tripled monetary base is going to be multiplied by the effect of fractional reserve lending, and... prices increase?

What do you think?

The bank reserves thing is BS.  They can literally lend whatever the Fed lets them lend, there just isn't as many credit worthy borrowers to go around anymore.  The only reason that the increases in the monetary base haven't been worse is because we have had massive deflation in the overall economy due to the massive drop in home prices.  The inflationary period was betwenn 1999 and 2006 when everyone and thier brother were taking out Helocs against their homes and paying for inflated new car prices and vacations, boats, whatever.
5126  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: client command line option -wallet= in addition to -datadir=? on: May 28, 2011, 12:45:01 AM
Wallet size depends on the amount of bitcoin-chunks, right? So if I have used the faucet 1000 times (gavin don't hit me :-) the wallet is ~1000 times larger than when I just mine a single block, even though in both cases the wallet holds 50btc.
Can s/1 tell me? Not motivated to search the code...
If so, can you recombine chunks that have been broken down?

Thanks in advance.

You can recombine coins that have been broken down across many transactions, but this has little affect on the wallet.dat file.  The bitcoins don't actually reside in any form in the wallet.dat file, your public/private keypairs and references to your transactions do.  In truth, the bitcoins don't actually exist even as a digital object.  Everything is in the transactions.
5127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A quick question regarding wallets on: May 28, 2011, 12:23:34 AM


Your wallet can have any number of keypairs, and all of them always work.

I was going to start a thread about this.  I received my first bitcoins from a transaction today.  Then, the address in my bitcoin ap changed.  Is this ok?  I had the old one plugged into my slush pool acct. 

Thank you in advance to whoever verifies this for me.

Yes, it's fine.  The default behavior of the standard client is to change your receiving address with each transaction that you send.  Your old addresses remain valid forever, however, so long as the keypairs that relate to them remain in your wallet.dat file.  You can safely continue to use the same address for as long as you like, but giving that same address out to too many people undermines the anonimity of the system.  A good standard is to give a different address to each friend or family member, but keep a record of which address was given to whom.  The client doesn't do this very well, yet.  So if you receive a payment from out of the blue, you can tell who sent it by looking at the address that it was sent to.
5128  Other / Obsolete (buying) / Re: Buying aircraft for BTC on: May 28, 2011, 12:18:57 AM
It was more of a joke than a serious offer, I'm sure.  Search the forum for the 10K BTC pizza.
5129  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 28, 2011, 12:10:18 AM
Inflation is low provided you dont eat or drive a car - and you use candles instead of electricity for lighting.

 Smiley

Inflation is actually low if one considers M3 (known monetary base + credit issued, etc) as opposed to simply M1 (monetary base).  The reason here would be because of the large amount of debt that was destroyed due to the real estate crash.  Even with the doubling of M1 since 2007, the paper value destroyed by the forclosures and general drop in home values exceeds the rise in M1.

Using price increases as your measurement for inflation, whether you include food and energy or not, is a fundamentally flawed method.
5130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: May 27, 2011, 11:18:15 PM
It's doubtful that they will let him roam the halls with this own electronic devices.
I'm sure they will with theirs, you know, in his butt.

Yeah, well.  At least he won't remember that part of it except for an alien abduction dream in a few months.
5131  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin without mining on: May 27, 2011, 11:11:25 PM
kjj:
So let's assume an attacker controls 60% of the network.
He makes a big transaction that is sent to the whole network.
He stops generating blocks on the legit network.
He now starts generating a new chain without the large transaction but not sending it to the rest of the network.
His fake chain will eventually grow longer than the real chain.
At some point of his choosing he publishes his longer chain to the real network.
The fake chain is now accepted as real since it is longer.


The (non-existant, we really need a programmer to develop this) 'blockchain watchdog' process would ringing alarm bells after the 60% miner had left the network.  Whether that mattered would depend upon what the rest of the network does once the watchdogs are barking.
5132  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Timejacking & Bitcoin on: May 27, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
This is an elaborate version of a known attack vector, but one that is limited to a particular target, not the blockchain itself or the network as a whole.  Basicly, it's another way to perform a double spend fraud against a particular node.  There are many ways that a major vendor node could use to thwart this that are not mentioned by the article, probably due to lack of research on the author's part in this forum's thread history.  One defense is mentioned in the article, but he largely dismisses it's value. 

"Monitor network health and shutdown if there's suspicious activity.
Definitely a good thing, but wouldn't resolve conflicts automatically."

This is the 'blockchain watchdog' process mentioned in many prior threads.  It does not exist, but it could.  There are many signs that known attack vectors are underway.  No, this would not necessarily result in an automatic response, but it could notify the user that something is wrong as well as suspend transactions on an ecommerce site.

"Use the median block chain time exclusively when validating blocks."


This is a client issue, and one that can differ between client versions.  If a programmer wishes to come out with a version that does this, he is free to do so.

In short, this attack is possible, but very difficult even if the attacker is aware of any secret defenses the target may have already taken.  Nor is it a threat to bitcoin itself.
 
5133  Economy / Marketplace / Re: NEW Craigslist for bitcoins needs feedback - btcpost.com on: May 27, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
I've been waiting for a BTC CL!!!

Why do we need a bitcoin version of Craigslist?  Craigslist isn't centered around a payment model.  Just use Craigslist and post Bitcoin as an accepted payment method.
5134  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin without mining on: May 27, 2011, 10:26:16 PM

Since this topic keeps coming up over and over again, I'm going to propose a potential solution: every time a node reshuffles, they should make a note of which peer it came from.  More than three reshuffles from the same peer in like 24 hours, and that node is dropped.

Interesting proposal.  I think that this requires it's own thread, to discuss how to do this.
5135  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 27, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
The problem with economists is that they have no way conduct scientific experiment on monetary policies. Yes, there are data, but interpretation is everything.

Economists can have interpretations that fit the data but it turns out to be bollock.

Yes, Economists may not like to hear this, but Economics is at best a proto-science. Beside the practical difficulty of performing controlled experiments with economic policies (as you pointed out), there's also the problem that Economics is not yet grounded on any meaningful substrate in the "great stack of science".  Unlike Chemistry, for instance, which is firmly grounded on the Physics substrate.

Nevertheless, my opinion is that when eventually Economics does become a science it is more likely to resemble Keynesianism than the Austrian school so favoured by this forum's hivemind.


Ah, no.  Economics is, indeed, a science.  It's just that it's not that kind of science.  It's a social science, not a physical science.  As such, it's laws are based on how humans act, and therefore how they think.  Hence the name of the Austrian classic, Human Action.  Anyone who trys to tell you that mathmatical formulas can be derived from the economic data, or that the laws of economics drive the public and not the other way around, (*cough* Keynes *cough*) is full of crap.  Economics is the "dismal science" because it's a social science.  Physics is easy, your experiments (above quantum) are not affected by observations.  Humans don't act that way, they respond differently to the same stimuli, and moreso when they are aware that they are the experiment.
5136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / If we could get these chains to consider Bitcoin... on: May 27, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
http://reason.com/archives/2011/05/26/dollar-store-nation

Then either Wal-Mart would be jumping in within a month, or the government would be jump on them within a month.

For that matter, a Bitcoin article in Reason would be epic!
5137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: May 27, 2011, 08:56:45 PM
June 14th at CIA HQ, Langley Virginia.  It is not open to the public, conference is for the US intelligence community only.
Remember to take many of pictures and share them with us!

It's doubtful that they will let him roam the halls with this own electronic devices.
5138  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 27, 2011, 08:55:18 PM
USD inflation is extremely low? What parallel universe are you in?

Must be that "crazy" parallel universe that relies on hard data instead of conspiracy theories.
Check out the stats from the OECD and verify for yourself.


This depends entirely on how one defines inflation.  I didn't bother reading your link, but IIRC the OECD defines inflation as the general rise in consumer prices.  This is not how anyone with an Austrian Economic Theory perspective would define it, nor is it how the majority of economists define it.  That metric is only how governments that print money define it.
5139  Economy / Economics / Re: Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 27, 2011, 08:50:40 PM
I, for one, am very much curious about what Krugman would say about the economic aspects of Bitcoin.

And by the way, why all the disdain for Krugman expressed in this thread?  As far as mainstream economists go, I have the utmost respect for him.  He has been consistently been correct on his predictions and he has always been coherent with his arguments.

LOL!  What nonsense!  There has been numerous articles from real economists pointing out Krugman's poor prediction record!  One I've seen actually demonstrated how Krugman is only slightly better than throwing darts at a dartboard blindfolded.  If you want to see an economist with a real track record for accuracy, try Mish (http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/)  Peter Schiff (http://www.europac.net/) or Rich Maybury (http://chaostan.com/).  All of these guys actually make money, real fortunes, based upon their predictions.  Krugman makes money selling advice to readers of the NYT.  He's the economic version of "ask Nancy".

If you are taking your advice from someone who doesn't make a living from his own advice, you are an idiot.
5140  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 27, 2011, 07:33:01 PM
Question is how much did he pay for the whole process? Tens of thousands of dollars?

200 Mhash per chip with just 8 W is amazing though!

IIRC, ARtForz mentioned at one point that his cluster had crossed the $200,000 mark back in the Fall of 2010.  So we aren't talking about your average geek throwing this together in his garage.  ArtForz has resources.
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