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And the result? Everything blocked for months. Wheres the advantage?
I think Ken is acting stupid profit wise but a court blocking everything for months or years and getting pennies back in some years is no alternative.
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It was being worked on back then but I can't say how much time it took. Can't say whether it delayed anything much but it would have required some software changes and it was all on Ken to do so. Once I sussed what it was he was doing, we tried to talk him out of it, or at least to wait until the next hardware iteration & hiring in specialists. It was valid R & D, to a point anyway, but the timing was off.
I wouldn't expect it to have resulted in the current delay but neither did I consider it a good spend of the CEO's time during that key period. I don't mind saying that Ken then told us we were backward thinking and weren't innovators. We felt it got a little unpleasant. I still stand by what we said about the tech. Happy to eat humble pie if we were wrong but there are implications which Ken never answered, even if it was economical.
Great! So we end up with a %§&*'# perfectionist that want a really perfect chip and board without the mental ability to make compromises. Not even when the more perfect solution only means way less profit. Really great. The more stupid is that ken already had a working prototype that he tested. How can it be more important to get 20% more hashrate when you crash the project in the meanwhile. I mean he has to look away from the difficulty for doing that. Doesnt he realize that the diff is rising? The 20% are shit when the profits overall are dropping 50% each month. Even when Intellihash only would have taken two more week development time it wouldnt have been worth it. But he now threw away months already. Really stupid thinking ken. And all shareholders loss. Including Ken. Of course thats only valid when Intellihash is the problem of all. But i dont see another reason because there was already a running prototype. *sigh* |
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I think is logical for the owner of the website as if someone dont divest for a very long time, the site will have to starve. In this case in your context, the site will "reinvest" aka take commision every day.
Really hope for the next version of DiceNow. I saw some planning of him and I guess it would be nice. Esp with more people to play with.
I understand that but if its done constantly then its not 10% commission anymore. If you profit this way: +1 +2 -2 +2 +1 -1 then you have 3 profit at the end. But you made 6 profits on the way and would pay 20% commission that way. Either i misinterpret it or theres an error included since the more it goes up and down the higher the commission would go. |
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Thanks... i hope it gets solve soon since its a pain... for now i will disable Trueblock plus for BCT. |
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Since some days i have the problem that, when i use a link that should take me to the new posts it only loads the website but isnt jumping to the actual post. Is that for everyone or a problem of my browser, maybe extension or something?
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Danke für die Warnung mameise. Den Thread hier kannte ich noch nicht. Ich habe einen Thread im Scam-Forum eröffnet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403931.0Bitte nur an eine Escrow-Adresse schicken die ich persönlich an den Käufer (und Verkäufer) geschickt habe. Diese Adresse ist dann sicher. Niemals nur einen Quote nehmen! |
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I got requests from 2 users asking me if the escrow address CSD sent them is correct. I never wrote with user CSD nor give him an escrow address. The addresses werent mine. CSD let it look like he quoted me giving out an escrow address.
Please ONLY send bitcoins to escrow addresses that i personally sent to buyer and seller. Dont use an address that is quoted only by the seller. If i send it from my BCT-Account "SebastianJu" then the address is safe and correct.
Thanks alot!
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Why is it that i can have a negative profit for investments but a positive comission is there? Sounds like all wins are commissioned but losses arent taken into account. If so wouldnt that mean more than 10% commission will happen? Wouldnt it be better to take commission when its divested? I mean when you run a trade shop and you only tell the tax agency all your income but not your losses you will go bankrupt.
Maybe i misinterpret but it looks strange.
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My bet is Ukyo actually got scammed himself and is getting help to try and get the coins back.
But that most likely won't happen.
Thats what i would bet on too. But does ukyo really think the thieve would give it back? In fact he would prevent us from going after him and would help him vanishing. But if thats true i would be even more angry since that means my deposit was part of the 6% payout that was spread out to all others. The payouts with "technical problems" would have been slow because ukyo had to wait for new coins coming in from deposits to pay out to other users. And i only deposited so that all users can get a small share back. This situation is ... (i cant express) |
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Why does Ukyo need so much capital? The probable answer is that he's pissing it away on gambling or bad investments.
If he really would be such a ill gambler then for sure he would have used all the bitcoins since he could not help himself than trying to win it back with the remaining bitcoins. So i think that possibility is unlikely. If it was ukyo, which he denies, then it would be something more rational. |
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lol
The man is a legend. Personally I like his style.
The problem here isn't that he doesn't communicate - he really does. The problem is a lot of investors are either unable to listen or just haven't enough worldly experience to read between the lines and recognise what is going on behind the scenes.
Having said that there are a lot of people on here who have listened and know what's coming.
So what do you read? His noncommunication is the problem and slowly i get as angry at him as iam at ukyo. Whats to hard to speak the truth? Instead he writes of assembling miners which most probably means preassembling and other things. No info about the status of the chips or the status of shares trading. And this goes on since months. I would like to know where youre confidence comes from. Workbenches are nice and it looks like somethings happens but empty workbenches without chips say something goes wrong. No, he's talking about putting power supplies into cases. Until he can prove he has a set of 16 chips mounted to a board and they collectively hash at 256GH/s, he's not preassembling anything and assembly is done because there's never going to be anything more to put into them. If Ken is talking about moving to full production, where are the sample chips? Who is in physical possession of them? I'm going to just go out on a limb and assume they went back to the foundry to diagnose a complete batch of non-functional chips. That is, if they exist at all. Where are all the cases? If there's millions of dollars in preorders, there has to be more cases than what we've seen. We've seen a couple dozen in one picture at one time. I just want some damned proof that there is some sort of production on the level that is claimed. With pre-assembling i meant building psu's into cases. That way ken can claim he is working on the miners like he did in last update. At least thast how i read it. |
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Normally, a judge would rule that there are no funds to disperse to creditors (WeExchange users) and close the company. As for the funds
that are not available, how a judge would proceed is questionable regarding this. It could leave the company stuck in a bankruptcy mode
for a number of years leaving the company without the ability to do anything including payment distributions. Needless to say, the judge
will not have the ability to "make funds available" and would have information showing I did not use/spend/do anything illegal with the funds.
The current status leaves us in control of the corporation and the creditors to use whatever means possible to distribute payments to users.
This will remain the case as long as users allow it. In the end, I am trying to make this all work out for everyone and not get stuck in a situation
where a court takes over and either leaves everything stuck in limbo for who knows how long with us unable to do anything for users or a judge
simply declaring the corporation bankrupt and notifying creditors that the corporation has been forced to close.
You simply cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.
So no income but how will it be solved? There are people in debt for weexchange? And i dont speak about shares you might be able to sell. But i think youre wrong in one point. You think if weexchange is closed youre out. I dont think so. Its not a normal business. Its a business storing money. Nothing should have happened to the money since you werent allowed to move it somewhere. There is no business risk involved that could lead to a bankruptcy. So the only explaination that the bitcoins are gone is something illegal. Eithers its you that did something illegal or someone other stole it. Either way... if weexchange is bankrupt doesnt mean the thieve doesnt need to pay back then. The same goes for the funds that have to be paid back to the owners. If its a database error... why was there no backup? I cant imagine you really missed that point. But if you did and thats the problem then its not that you can blame it on the company. If it were that easy everyone would create a company and "get a backup fault". Next thing is... you knew long time that payouts dont work and you did nothing. I probably wouldnt have uploaded my many bitcoins to weexchange if there was a warning about the problems. All these arent things that a company can shield from. People try that of course but there are limits when it comes to personal fault. And i dont speak about companies where the owner is liable by law anyway. Saying that... of course... if you really have to work the bitcoins back to us it will take a very long time. Thats why i want to know if there is a chance to get the missing bitcoins back without you having to work them back. How big is that chance? |
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Thanks for posting. I am sharing only my opinion with the community to let people know we share many of the same experiences. I understand the frustrations investors have because i share the same frustrations. One of the main purpose of this project was to create something better for investors. From the choices of securities available to us today, i feel that i can do a better job of communicating than most of the issuers here on this board.
I understand that running a successful operation can be difficult. There are things that are in your control and things that are out of your control. In order for any project to succeed it's about who you know and what you know plus a little bit of luck and timing. In regards to our network and knowledge we got that covered. I believe timing is great for investments related to the legal Cannabis industry as well. As far as luck goes, we'll have to hope that we don't backtrack and that we continue down the path for further legalization. I feel that we are in a good position right now to take advantage of this opportunity. Please check back often to stay up to date on our progress. Thanks. =)
If you learned anything from the experiences that you claim to share with investors who were foolishly burned by scammers, then you would know that you would need to provide more personal/contact info. Right now you may as well be any one of the many scammers that ran around here only with a new account and an newfound understanding of the English language. I would heavily doubt that this IPO gets anywhere near success level without more verification Thats not fully correct. There are issuers that verified by using escrows. Gave them their personal details, ID and more. Not every issuer wants to stay in focus. At the end you simply can wait if you like the dividends and trade based on them... |
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lol
The man is a legend. Personally I like his style.
The problem here isn't that he doesn't communicate - he really does. The problem is a lot of investors are either unable to listen or just haven't enough worldly experience to read between the lines and recognise what is going on behind the scenes.
Having said that there are a lot of people on here who have listened and know what's coming.
So what do you read? His noncommunication is the problem and slowly i get as angry at him as iam at ukyo. Whats to hard to speak the truth? Instead he writes of assembling miners which most probably means preassembling and other things. No info about the status of the chips or the status of shares trading. And this goes on since months. I would like to know where youre confidence comes from. Workbenches are nice and it looks like somethings happens but empty workbenches without chips say something goes wrong. |
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There was no lawyer hired using WeExchange funds because there is none.
Really. Not so long ago I questioned you about the legality of your businesses, and you replied this: I have 3 lawfirms around the world that I am working with to try my best to make sure BitFunder is safe and to get government sponsorship / licensing
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3216254#msg3216254Now you are saying you dont have a lawyer? What does BitFunder (which is now shut down) having legal representation to investigate licensing possibilities have anything to do with WeExchange? WeExchange does not have a defense attorney hired to defend itself from lawsuits. Really? First i have read your sentence exactly that way... then i thought "there is none" was meant for the funds that dont exist and cant be used for a lawyer. But if there really is no lawyer then its highly unlikely that a gag order is in place since for sure you would have asked a lawyer for legal advice what to do. You claim the coins arent in weexchange anymore so its no technical error. The government cant take the coins without you but you didnt take the coins you say. Since the coins are gone like you claim the only reason i see is they were stolen. But then i dont understand your silence. The thieve knows what he did and knows you hunt him. Silence only would help him since you prevent us from helping then. You want to keep Weexchange alive because you want to sell it or have a big customer, maybe NEOBEE. I dont see why a liability, that you have, should die when weexchange dies. I have another thought... maybe you did an error like nefario did. When bitcoind was broken you maybe sent too many bitcoins to one or more users and you now hope to get it back. Again... nothing for what weexchange has to stay alive or something the company would protect you so that you wouldnt need to pay back the coins when weexchange died. Again... i hope you know what you do with your silence. |
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Weekly Update 1/1/14
Happy New Year!
The new year looks bright for Active Mining as we continue to assemble our miners for quick delivery.
Not a lot of changes from last weeks update:
We are also continuing to develop our Intellihash program and with our 2013 sales at $6,311,788.33 we have a very good share of the market.
We have been working 100% on our core business.
ActiveMining-PR Staff
If you really assemble then why no picture of it? I mean its easy as pie to do. I think Ken is confused. By "we continue to assemble our miners for quick delivery" he means that he's putting power supplies into cases. Ah... now i understand. I knew its some kind of cheap rethorik but i could make sense of "assembling". But prebuilding is assembling too. I really dont know what Ken is doing. It doesnt sound like he has much work to do but still he cant manage to write the verification script. |
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Weekly Update 1/1/14
Happy New Year!
The new year looks bright for Active Mining as we continue to assemble our miners for quick delivery.
Not a lot of changes from last weeks update:
We are also continuing to develop our Intellihash program and with our 2013 sales at $6,311,788.33 we have a very good share of the market.
We have been working 100% on our core business.
ActiveMining-PR Staff
If you really assemble then why no picture of it? I mean its easy as pie to do. |
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Looks like ukyo spoke a bit more in #activemining: (01:25:33) shabba: i don't understand why this is all still so secret
(01:25:39) shabba: NDA should be lifted by now
(01:27:15) Ukyo: most NDA's don't have timeline restrictions.
(01:27:29) Ukyo: Usually stand in place until all concerned parties are in agreement.
(01:28:09) Sebastan: Ukyo... how long will your NDA stay? :)
(01:28:49) Ukyo: I have many NDA's throughout my life. hehe
(01:29:41) Sebastan: what about the weexchange one?
(01:29:49) Ukyo: There are many. :)
(01:30:01) Ukyo: And still, I would not be able to say.
(01:30:09) Ukyo: That is generally part of an NDA. :)
(01:30:13) kleeck0: If you're into UFC or orthopedic repair you might find this interesting: http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-dr-sanders-breakdown
(01:30:21) WildFire_ca: So who ever is mining at that pool addy has been mining since the 7th of Dec. https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
(01:30:22) ActiveBot: Title: Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info
(01:31:31) Sebastan: *sigh* i think ill try the lawyer way then and hopefully get more info that way ukyo...
(01:31:51) shabba: and they aren't moving funds around either…all the BTC has been mined is still in that address
(01:31:51) Ukyo: You must do what you feel you must.
(01:32:16) Ukyo: Plesae keep in mind that sometimes even lawyers alone can not change things.
(01:32:24) saulimus [~someone@37-219-33-138.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:32:41) WildFire_ca: 245.29 Th/s is 10 of our machines..
(01:33:04) Ukyo: Sebastan: I would love to tell everyone everything, it would get a lot of pressure off of my back.
(01:33:20) WildFire_ca: Its probley someone who bought 10 of our machines FFS
(01:33:27) Ukyo: This has been a huge pain in the ass however it is the only real option moving forward.
(01:33:36) Sebastan: so you say i wouldnt know more with the lawyer? not even when i would sue you? (What i dont plan yet...)
(01:34:05) Ukyo: Sebastan: A lawyer contacting my lawyer would not allow you any information not already available.
(01:34:27) Ukyo: If it was as easy as providing to your lawyer, then it would be the same as providing it to all.
(01:34:58) Ukyo: There is no special kind of lawyer to lawyer relationship
(01:35:04) Ukyo: and even if there was, it would not extend to you.
(01:35:12) WildFire_ca: That is why you go to discovery
(01:35:21) Ukyo: Yes, you must go into a full lawsuite.
(01:35:27) Ukyo: *-e
(01:35:42) Sebastan: so what would happen if i sue you? surely then the problems have come to light?
(01:35:54) Ukyo: And then ask the Judge for special permission to get access to the information.
(01:36:10) Ukyo: That depends on the Judge.
(01:36:20) Ukyo: And what the judge is capable of / willing to do
(01:36:31) Ukyo: Please keep in mind, sueing me personally wont get you anything
(01:36:35) Ukyo: except a dismissed case.
(01:36:53) Ukyo: Your issue would be with WeExchange Australia, the corporation
(01:37:04) Ukyo: And you have to sue for damages, not information.
(01:38:12) Ukyo: At this point in time, no matter what amount a judge awarded you, and regardless of you learning the reason, the outcome would result in WeExchange filing bankruptsy, paying out pretty much nothing since nothing is left, and the end to any possible chance of WeExchange Australia being able to correct the situation.,
(01:38:18) Ukyo: on a going forward basis.
(01:38:18) WildFire_ca: All you do is file bring the case to discovery and then based on what you find you either drop the case or proceed.
(01:38:20) Ukyo: Thats all there is to it.
(01:38:42) Ukyo: As has been said before. I could throw my hands up in the air, say screw it, and leave everyone in a heavy lurch
(01:39:05) Ukyo: Or, I can do the right thing, and press on with the expectation of correcting things.
(01:39:09) Ukyo: Your choice. Not mine.
(01:39:12) Ukyo: As you clearly stated.
(01:39:30) auto2nr1_: ukyo, you should do the right thing =)
(01:39:35) auto2nr1_: how come its taking so long
(01:39:44) auto2nr1_: how much longer do you think for you to correct this situation?
(01:39:44) Ukyo: It only takes 1 individual to force things the company into bankruptsy.
(01:40:01) Ukyo: auto2nr1: Dont know yet. I don't have the ansers. If I did I would have give them out.
(01:40:08) Ukyo: answers*
(01:40:24) WildFire_ca: Holy crap Ken loged on to BTCtalk today.. THERE IS A GOD
(01:40:28) Sebastan: you know... lets assume someone lost money... a judge gave a gag order and claimed you cant pay out bitcoins that might belong to someone other... if i dont sue then the other person would get my bitcoins because he sued and not iam... thats what i fear... but you sound like there are no bitcoins anymore. they arent held back by any government for a sueing person...
(01:40:46) Ukyo: Sebastan: thats not how it works.
(01:40:52) Ukyo: a. theres nothing for someone else to get mroe than you
(01:41:08) Ukyo: b. the company would file for bankrupsty before a conclusion to your case
(01:41:19) Ukyo: this throwing out any decision by a judge
(01:41:27) Ukyo: as all debtors would have to be handled equally.
(01:41:38) Ukyo: which is next to nothing.
(01:41:51) Ukyo: or technicalyl nothing, since there is no profit
(01:41:56) Ukyo: and all costs come out of pocket currently
(01:42:07) Ukyo: Weex has never charged you, or anyone else a fee
(01:42:17) Ukyo: at least, nothing of any quantitative value
(01:42:58) Ukyo: Because of this, any lawsuit would instnatly put the company into foreclosure because there are no funds available to defend a company that has nothing.
(01:43:02) WildFire_ca: Are you still talking with NeoB.. Or have you finished dealing with them and the balls in there court now?
(01:43:11) Ukyo: I am still working with NeoB
(01:43:16) WildFire_ca: cool
(01:43:21) Ukyo: But thinigs do not work on bitcoin time in the real world
(01:43:28) Ukyo: Esp. during the holidays,
(01:43:35) WildFire_ca: Very true
(01:43:44) Sebastan: sounds like there are no bitcoins held back. but if they are stolen it doesnt make sense to be quiet about it since the thieve knows already what he did. if you made an error and lost the keys... sounds unlikely then keeping silent means nothing too... dont understand this...
(01:43:52) Ukyo: Sebastan: "held back" ?
(01:43:54) Ukyo: there is nothign to hold back
(01:43:58) Ukyo: We have distributed what we could
(01:44:02) Ukyo: there was no "profits"
(01:44:06) Ukyo: you were charged no "fees"
(01:44:42) WildFire_ca: Unless your Cointerra,, those bitches packaged there chips during Xmas
(01:44:47) Sebastan: ok... but the user bitcoins should be there regardless of fees or profits... the assumption would be a government seized them. but it sounds like there simply is nothing seized
(01:45:16) Ukyo: That is your interpretation.
(01:45:28) shabba: Sebastan are you referring to bitfunder or weexchange? ukyo is saying weex has no BTC
(01:45:30) Ukyo: At this time I am not giving any details on the funds.
(01:45:41) shabba: but they could possibly be under the company of bitfunder
(01:46:00) Sebastan: shabba... bitfunder never had bitcoins at all. the bitcoins were stored in weexchange in reality...
(01:46:04) Ukyo: shabba: weex held all bitcoins for bitfunder. Bitfunder transfered control all bitcoins except for a small amount to weexchange accounts. Bitfudner has no bitcoins or control of any
(01:46:21) shabba: I don't have anything in this
(01:46:28) shabba: but sounds like you're in some deep shit lol
(01:46:30) shabba: good luck yall
(01:46:34) Ukyo: Very much so.
(01:46:38) Ukyo: It stinks. badly.
(01:46:44) Sebastan: *sigh* If its really a gag order i want to kick the inventor in the nuts very hard
(01:46:59) Ukyo: But I am trying to make the most of it and get people taken care of to the best of my ability.
(01:47:05) Ukyo: As long as the people will let me.
(01:47:35) Ukyo: But once it is taken out of my hands, there is nothing left for me to do to make things right.
(01:47:42) WildFire_ca: I think most of all everyone wants a positive outcome.
(01:47:52) Ukyo: Which is why we ask people to be patient.
(01:48:38) Sebastan: I wonder how long that will work...
(01:48:59) Ukyo: well, the alternative is nothing at this point.
(01:49:20) Ukyo: You have said yourself
(01:49:26) Ukyo: that the addresses are empty.
(01:49:29) Evolyn__ [~Evolyn@p4FDCFF4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:49:32) chairforce1 [48c88378@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.200.131.120] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:49:37) Sebastan: You dont want to work off the bitcoins that you owe dont you?
(01:49:44) Ukyo: I do.
(01:49:51) Ukyo: And I will use everythign at my disposal
(01:49:55) Ukyo: to make up for things in the mean time
(01:50:14) Sebastan: if weexchange dies and there is a gag order and seized bitcoins then only weexchange would be lost... i dont really see why weexchange is needed in there...
(01:50:33) Ukyo: thats because of your limited understanding of the situation.
(01:50:38) Ukyo: and how things work.
(01:50:38) Sebastan: if you want to work off then it sounds like you did an error...
(01:50:53) Ukyo: or I simple want it resolved.
(01:50:53) Sebastan: or to buy time
(01:50:57) Ukyo: And keep my reputation
(01:51:02) kleeck0: Ukyo, you can come clean my kitchen for 1000BTC
(01:51:10) Ukyo: kleeck0: deal
(01:51:13) kleeck0: :P
(01:51:17) Ukyo: I'll get Ken to help
(01:51:17) Ukyo: :P
(01:51:29) Ukyo: Mebbe ask SAM if hes interested.
(01:51:33) kleeck0: :P
(01:51:34) Ukyo: Then I can sit back and "manage" :P
(01:51:44) kleeck0: And Alberto
(01:51:49) Ukyo: same thing :P
(01:51:54) kleeck0 hat den Raum verlassen ("Leaving").
(01:52:05) kleeck0 [~kleeck2@c-50-151-121-65.hsd1.in.comcast.net] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:52:12) kleeck0: and the tatti duo
(01:52:20) JimJones [~warflute@a85-139-192-199.cpe.netcabo.pt] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:52:23) kleeck0: also nefario
(01:52:25) JimJones: y0
(01:52:33) WildFire_ca: lol
(01:52:47) Ukyo: does nefario still owe ppl?
(01:53:00) kleeck0: I think
(01:53:02) Ukyo: thought he paid most ppl off
(01:53:10) Evolyn_ hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
(01:53:20) Ukyo: (not that I am defending him)
(01:53:35) Ukyo: But in some ways, I can understand why he did what he did.
(01:54:06) Sebastan: anyway... thanks for writing uky
(01:54:09) Sebastan: ukyo
(01:54:36) Ukyo: Sebastan: i really wish I could do more right now
(01:54:51) Ukyo: but if things are to work out fully for everyone, I am very limited on things.
(01:55:20) Sebastan: i really hope the mystery is as big as you make it... :)
(01:55:34) Ukyo: Depends on point of view probably.
(01:56:25) Ukyo: But the point is to make good on things as soon as its possible. If something happens that allows it all to be cleared up sooner, all the better
(01:56:56) JimJones: wasn't ken suposed to make a fucking weekly report today?
(01:57:04) chairforce1: YUP
(01:57:05) Ukyo: JimJones: good luck on that.
(01:57:21) JimJones: Ukyo, good luck on your getting ur shares
(01:57:28) Ukyo: Sebastan: I was mentioning the other day. Its a known fact I personally hold some ActM shares.
(01:57:39) Ukyo: I have been in consideraiton of selling those for distribution to weex users.
(01:58:07) chairforce1: what price would u sell them at?
(01:58:37) Ukyo: Honestly, I have no idea at this point. First have to make it past the issue of Ken.
(01:58:57) Ukyo: They may have to go up for a fair auction
(01:58:59) Sebastan: I would buy for 0.0006btc per share... i wonder how good shares can be sold...
(01:59:02) Sebastan: how many do you have?
(01:59:18) auto2nr1_: yea how many shares do you have ukyo?
(01:59:19) Ukyo: Over 100k.
(01:59:48) Ukyo: I was an original investor. about 100~150 btc worth.
(01:59:58) Sebastan: ok... maybe 100btc if youre lucky... but maybe the price is rising when its traded...
(02:00:01) shaofis [48d6eaca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.72.214.234.202] hat den Raum betreten.
(02:00:22) Ukyo: if Ken actually manages to do somethign with ActM
(02:00:25) Ukyo: it could be worth a notable sum
(02:00:50) Ukyo: but as the days go on, further and futher from the deadlines, with no new deadlines, or inforatiom, that seems less likely
(02:00:55) Sebastan: thats correct... so hopefully he plans to bring share on the exchange when he has very good news. that would be the best for you
(02:01:12) shaofis: Update posted for those who haven't seen
(02:01:33) shaofis: Zero on the listing on an exchange
(02:02:15) Sebastan: i posted the log in bitfunder resolution thread since its an open chat here...
(02:02:28) Ukyo: Thats fine.
(02:02:34) Ukyo: This is a public resource. |
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I know that these wallets are different. The deposit address i used will be used to pay withdraws from others and so on. It doesnt look like the bitcoins are collected in another address in the meanwhile.
So if everyone looks at their deposit address and there are still bitcoins or there are no bitcoins anymore then this should say something.
Or will you say the bitcoins are forwarded to different other addresses that ukyo still owns but in a way that one cant tell anymore that its ukyo's address?
Well the last transfer from my deposit address (which is now empty) was in August. Every transfer (I saw) were to addresses which at least used to have a lot of activity. Too much activity to be individuals imo, so probably weex or other exchanges. Some of these addresses still contains substantial amounts. My personal guess is that Ukyo is still in control of the coins but he isn't allowed to use them. Maybe if everyone is posting the addresses where the bitcoins went to we can find out where the addresses belong to? To other exchanges or whatever... *sigh* multiplied 100 |
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I bought shares mostly because i want to invest in something with potential good returns that are practically independent from bitcoins. So if anything fails with bitcoin, when bitcoins are crashing or forbidden then this investment will still stay alive.
The other thing is that i believe, from writing with him, that the issuer is a honest and fine guy. I really await that he will keep communicating. The communication issues with other securities is what drives me away from them. I dont see this coming here.
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