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5141  Other / Meta / Re: why to make multiple accounts ?? on: December 18, 2016, 05:31:13 AM
The only real point you made is that a company is paying a maximum amount per user. However this is for budging purposes and it serves no other purpose when looked at on a per account basis.
Why it is bad to allow people to enroll with multiple accounts (in the same or different signature campaigns) has probably been discussed heavily in several threads. Simply put, one is 'incentivized' to post much more than they can handle (in 'constructive' way). This leads to a consistent drop in their posting quality which has a detrimental effect on the forum. We've surely seen a lot of useful posts in threads such as "If you had X Bitcoin, what would you do?".

This is the fault of the company for having a bad screening process. The solution is for the company to use a better screening process that excludes those who will make poor quality posts.
I think you should ask for an username change to QuickColumbus.
So in other words, you know what is best for other people, and as a result you will create regulations in order to force people into doing what you "know" is best.

You have still not given an explanation why alts should not be allowed in signature campaigns that does not involve you farming trust, and does not involve the campaign manager to do a better job in screening applicants. The campaign manager should exclude potential participants that will make lower quality posts despite incentives to make more posts.

Additionally, the majority of campaigns do not have rules against having one account in one campaign and another account in a second campaign, both owned by the same person, making your point further moot. In this situation, the incentives to make more posts are still there.

Also Lauda, unlike you, I do not resort to making immature personal attacks, and trolling those I feel are vulnerable in order to try to get those debating with me to stop responding to my comments.

Farming a signature campaign is a bit different, because it's usually against the campaign rules,
This is an arbitrary rule that serves no business purpose. If a business is paying 0.1BTC in exchange for 50 posts over a month (or during a month), and if 100 posts are made during that month, then it does not make a difference if two people made those posts, or if one person across two accounts made those posts, as the company is receiving the same exposure.

Using a "fixed rate" signature campaign also makes much more sense then starting a "pay per post" signature campaign as the company will know exactly how much they will spend on signature advertising, and will generally know how much exposure they will receive. For example if a company uses a "pay per post" signature campaign, then everyone might not make the maximum number of posts, resulting in less exposure then anticipated, and if the company tires to guess the average number of posts each participant will make, and is wrong, then the company may end up going over budget. If one person takes up two spots in a "fixed rate" signature campaign, then the company will spend the same amount of money in exchange for the same amount of advertising as if two people were taking up two spots.


I've been reading this Quickseller vs Lauda argument and just wanted to point out that you seem to be talking about two different problems here. One is joining multiple signature campaigns with your alts, which IMO should be allowed,

If we consider the fact that there's a posting quota for signature campaigns, then we can consider that over all the campaigns, the posting quality in general for the user is inversely proportional to the amount of alts that are registered in campaigns. Say you have 50 posts to make in the month vs 500 posts to make in the month. Do you really think that someone replying will be able to pump out such a massive amount with the same amount of post quality (given that it was high) as a user who would only need to post 50 times?
This is a participant screening issue. If someone is making 2,000 posts per month, and is unable to make quality posts, then this should be apparent in each of their alts' posting history. I see no reason to assume that someone making 2,000 posts in a month will not be making quality posts.
5142  Other / Meta / Re: why to make multiple accounts ?? on: December 17, 2016, 07:23:37 PM
If a company is paying for 50 posts then there is no reason to expect more posts then that. If a company is paying one person to make 50 post on each of two accounts then they will pay for 100 posts and will also receive 100 posts. If the person only has one account enrolled in the signature campaign then it should not be expected that they will make a single post above what is expected of them.
A company is paying for X posts per user. However, said company can not know whether user is abusing their campaign by using multiple accounts. Due to this, they will pay out all of their accounts (unless someone exposes the alts in question).

Why don't you give a single explanation as to why you want no alts in a campaign that doesn't involve trust farming? And involves properly screening participants.
Which campaign? FYI I'm completely against alts being enrolled in any signature campaign (if user already has 1 account enrolled somewhere).

That is a lack of screening of participants. If one person is posting a bunch of spam-like posts, then there is no reason why any of them should get accepted into the campaign.
It is well known that some campaigns either have no process/management (e.g. Bitmixer in the past) or have a very bad evaluation/review process.
The only real point you made is that a company is paying a maximum amount per user. However this is for budging purposes and it serves no other purpose when looked at on a per account basis.

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It is well known that some campaigns either have no process/management (e.g. Bitmixer in the past) or have a very bad evaluation/review process
This is the fault of the company for having a bad screening process. The solution is for the company to use a better screening process that excludes those who will make poor quality posts.
5143  Other / Meta / Re: why to make multiple accounts ?? on: December 17, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
The *only* reason why a signature campaign manager might utilize and enforce a one person one account rule is to farm/build trust.

I can think of another reason... They don't want 1 person owning 10 accounts, spamming the same stuff over and over again and not getting much exposure or much variance in their posts / post timing. (Lol. Fortunejack anyone???)
That is a lack of screening of participants. If one person is posting a bunch of spam-like posts, then there is no reason why any of them should get accepted into the campaign. Regarding variance in post timing (I really don't think there is value to this), someone with multiple accounts will not make all their posts at the same time, and I have never seen any requirements regarding posting times so this is really a moot issue.
5144  Other / Meta / Re: why to make multiple accounts ?? on: December 17, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
How come using multiple accounts is cheating? Let's drop the account farming and signatures for a second here.
Read my posts before responding:

I said for me. There are some valid reasons to have at least 1 alt. My sanity limit would be around 2-3 max (on a case-by-case basis). Others may have differentiating views regarding this.
This includes the reasons that you've mentioned.

False. If you are using multiple accounts in the same signature campaign then you are still making the same number of posts with an advertisement underneath it as if you were using a single account. If a company is paying for 50 posts in a month then that is what they will get regardless of how many accounts are used in the process.
Two accounts (same person) x 50 posts per account in (e.g. Bitmixer) = 50 posts total. QS Math.

The *only* reason why a signature campaign manager might utilize and enforce a one person one account rule is to farm/build trust.
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If a company is paying for 50 posts then there is no reason to expect more posts then that. If a company is paying one person to make 50 post on each of two accounts then they will pay for 100 posts and will also receive 100 posts. If the person only has one account enrolled in the signature campaign then it should not be expected that they will make a single post above what is expected of them.

Why don't you give a single explanation as to why you want no alts in a campaign that doesn't involve trust farming? And involves properly screening participants.
5145  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bruno Kucinskas FULLY EXPOSED! Read all about it! on: December 17, 2016, 06:09:31 PM
Oh wow. Thanks for exposing yourself as such a "bad" person.

And by "bad" I mean good. Lol.
5146  Other / Meta / Re: why to make multiple accounts ?? on: December 17, 2016, 06:05:07 PM
I don't think creating multiple account here can be called a cheat or used for scamming.
Using multiple accounts (especially in enrolled in the same signature campaign) is the very definition of cheating. In 99% of the cases there is no good reason/enough constructiveness to justify it.
False. If you are using multiple accounts in the same signature campaign then you are still making the same number of posts with an advertisement underneath it as if you were using a single account. If a company is paying for 50 posts in a month then that is what they will get regardless of how many accounts are used in the process.

You could argue that using multiple accounts leads to lower quality posts then as a signature campaign manager you should do a better job of screening your applicants.

The *only* reason why a signature campaign manager might utilize and enforce a one person one account rule is to farm/build trust. When you payout several people their signature campaign earnings there is a chance that each person will leave a positive trust rating and if you are receiving a lot of positive trust ratings then you have an increased chance that one or some of them will have a high trust reputation in the future (e.g. Will be in the DefaultTrust network) if they do not already have high trust reputation. On the other hand, if one person has several accounts in a single signature campaign then the campaign manager will probably only receive a single rating from one of that person's accounts.
5147  Other / Meta / Re: REST IN PEACE PARAIPAN on: December 17, 2016, 05:03:54 AM
How has nobody besides one person commented on how the coins moved

https://blockchain.info/address/1PFkqgBBrSKikyyUGDerZMfzvCNPgKrR3o


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1577411.0

There is a whole thread about that lamo.
5148  Other / Meta / Re: fairnessAndpublic alt of girlbtc.com evading ban on: December 17, 2016, 04:21:48 AM
He can respond if he wants to (and if he is aware of this thread), however I would not consider silence to equal guilt. If you are accusing then it is on you to provide conclusive proof
5149  Other / Meta / Re: I don't think It should be a Problem on: December 17, 2016, 04:15:33 AM
If your project is somewhat related to the thread(s) you are advertising in then this might be okay for ICO threads. For example if you ar advertising an exchange and would be trading the ICO coin once it launches then you could pay to have your exchange prominently listed on the thread.

There is not much wiggle room to not violate the no ads in threads rule though.
5150  Other / Meta / Re: fairnessAndpublic alt of girlbtc.com evading ban on: December 17, 2016, 04:10:47 AM
It is possible they are alts, however grammar and word usage is not conclusive proof. Look for more evidence.
5151  Economy / Reputation / Re: [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone on: December 16, 2016, 05:13:57 AM
If the other accounts did not get banned then they are probably not alts and a mistake was made somewhere.
No, that's not what it means.
Yes it does.
5152  Economy / Reputation / Re: [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone on: December 16, 2016, 03:03:03 AM
Proof can be found here
That post is nearly 2 years old. Have you checked for evidence that any of those accounts changed hands?

Change of account ownership is a risk that is always there with linked addresses. Even if the accounts have been linked by addresses posted recently, it is not conclusive evidence.
That is ridiculous. This thread is to find alts of users, not accounts that at one point were owned by the same person but have since changed hands. If you cannot conclusively exclude the possibility that an account changed hands then you shouldn't be claiming that said account is an alt of another because you do not know that.
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Case in hand - User Multipulty perma-banned for copy-pasting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1163169.msg17065171#msg17065171

He has 5-6 alts which are linked by addresses posted a couple of weeks back.
But this doesn't result in an auto-permaban for the others.
If the other accounts did not get banned then they are probably not alts and a mistake was made somewhere.
5153  Economy / Reputation / Re: Official Tribunal for Forum Trust Abuse on: December 16, 2016, 02:51:58 AM
Having a thread for people to debate individual feedback is just not going to help.
How else do you propose that those who received blainant trust abuse to make the case that the negative rating was unjust?
5154  Economy / Reputation / Re: [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone on: December 16, 2016, 02:43:51 AM


Proof can be found here



That post is nearly 2 years old. Have you checked for evidence that any of those accounts changed hands?
5155  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Is for you winspiral a scammer? on: December 16, 2016, 02:13:23 AM
So let me see if I have this straight. You were offering some kind of "investment" in which if would be 100% "guaranteed" that the original invested amount be returned within 3 months, and those who invested would also possibly receive some additional interest as well.

How could that possibly be anything other then a scam? Or at the very least, you are horribly misleading investors as to the risks as nothing is risk free.
5156  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 16, 2016, 02:06:24 AM
I have already invested on Moneypot in the past.
I would like to know if the funds were discreetly stolen by a malicious person or if Moneypot is simply unlucky.
One thing is certain, the current staff of Moneypot is honest.


They are looking into the matter, we just need to be patient until they find some answers.

I saw that in the bitexo chat that AllorBroke said you guys asked him to invest in the bankroll for 30 days, but gave him 15 btc for now.

DogeDigital spoke with him, so I'm not exactly sure of the details. What I do know is that "allorbroke" was sent 15 btc and invested the remaining 56 btc into MoneyPot.
Do you know if investing in the bankroll was something that he wanted to do, or was it more like that was his only choice?
5157  Other / Meta / Re: Image Proxy on: December 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1717162.new#new

This is my tread how can i fix the image problem.
You can't post images yet. You need to wait until you are a junior member
5158  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:40:36 PM
Hey. Can we talk?  Who are you?  Are you positive of this?

This is worrying, but an easy way for MoneyPot to refute these allegations is to provide proof of solvency. Given how many people have access to the servers I think that would be very appropriate.
What that person was claiming was that someone had access to the server seeds of MP, allowing him to place bets that he knew he would win. Having this access would allow someone to win the entire bankroll without detection.
5159  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:19:45 PM
I just saw this message that have been deleted. I am very interested about these accusations. (I am working with him)

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Today at 06:57:43 PM
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"Insider" speaking here on a sock account:
Fucktons of Bitcoins have been stolen from moneypot silently on multiple occasions, one of the ex-devs had server access and boom..

What happened was the dude ddosed moneypot and then used the server access to bet, knowing where he was going to win, this time is different though, he did it in a different way.

Heard he still has access to MP servers to this day. Lol

Funny part is Dogedigital even tried to contact homie and he just str8 up lied to him and said he had meth problems and dogedigital believed him... dumbasses...


I saw that post as well. It is possible that he is just a troll, as it is as possible that he was telling the truth......it is hard to say which applies.
5160  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:07:15 AM

App owners and moneypot owners have no risk whatsoever. They take commision from the wagered bitcoins, investors take the real risk of players gambling against their bankroll. So yes, only investors lost.
App owners incur the cost of hosting the app and the cost of marketing/attracting players to play at their app. MP owners incur the cost of attracting app owners to develop MP apps and to attract players to play at MP, as well as the cost of securing funds, and the various seeds.

A lot of the costs that both app owners and MP owners incur will be incurred regardless of betting volume, so they are risking that betting volumes will not be high enough so that commissions on bets to cover the costs.

On a per bet basis, it is correct to say that MP owners and app owners do not bear any risk on each individual bet, however it is far from accurate to say that they do not bear any risk at all.
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