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5141  Other / Off-topic / Re: If BTC goes to $1000 or more, what would you do? on: May 14, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
 I will look for 2200,sell,go for holidays and back to buy low prices
5142  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: May 14, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
The general price level of all other currencies is not relevant to MØ.  It will almost always remain equal to 1 1410312858 UTC USD, worldwide.

Aren't those things part of the basket of thing of which the price level should be stable ?
At what point do you decide that an asset is a currency, and shouldn't be included ?

Is the gold price in the basket ?
Is the platinum price in the basket ?
Is the iridium price in the basket ?
Is the copper price in the basket ?
Is the mortar price in the basket ?
Are housing prices in the basket ?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around the idea that a given currency, in competition with others, can have any meaning on "stable prices".  
Imagine that there are 3 of these currencies around: M0, N0, and P0.   They are trying to achieve stable price levels, all three of them.  But suppose now that on friday, half of the people holding M0, trade it for N0.   This should imply that on saturday, the amount of M0 halves, right ?  How do you do that ?  You halve the contents of all accounts ?  People possessing 50 M0 now only possess 25 M0 any more ?  It would also imply that on saturday, N0 has to increase with the same amount (depending of how much N0 was running around).  In fact, in as much as M0 and N0 both want to hold stable prices, the exchange rate between M0 and N0 should remain constant (let us say for simplicity, it should be 1).  
How do you handle that ?
If you desperately want to buy N0 with M0, and I have N0, how can you have me NOT fix a price above 1 ?
Ideally, if you want to exchange M0 for N0, every M0 that is given should be destroyed, and every N0 so obtained, should be created.  That is, N0 and M0 should be identical.   But we made the hypothesis that they aren't.  

Suppose that there is a period (like bitcoin has known) of decline of M0, that is, during a year, people flee M0 to buy N0.  I can understand that on the N0 side, there is a consensus to create coins, to keep the price stable.  But how are we going to destroy M0 ?  Does it mean that people holding M0 are going to see their accounts diminish automatically ?  That would induce them to flee M0 even more !  
Consider, on the other hand, the holders of N0.  They see all these former M0 holders come in.  This implies that N0 are created at a massive rate.  If they had been holding a supply-stable currency, then the increased demand for N0 would increase the value of their holdings, but by definition, with a price stable currency, the creation compensates that ideally.  Why do the N0 holders remain with N0, and do not go into a supply-stable currency that has the potential to rise ?

So my main question is:
if, when you have different price-stable currencies, one of them declines in popularity, the holdings of the people still holding money in it, decline too in order for it not to diminish in price ?

Because that's annoying.

Imagine I had 100 M0 coins, worth 500 apples in total.  Price level is 1 M0 coin = 5 apples ?
Suppose now that half of the people holding M0 coins want to switch to N0 coins on friday.  The large offer of M0 coins to sell would make the price of M0 coins fall, and my 100 M0 coins wouldn't be worth 500 apples any more if nothing happens.  With an M0 coin, you would only be able to buy 2.5 apples any more.
So what happens ?  Do all M0 accounts get divided by 2 to get the price of an M0 back to 5 apples ?
Do I only hold 50 M0 coins any more ?

But that would imply that my total buying power of my account in reality HAS decreased !  I could buy 500 apples with my account content, and now I can only buy 250 apples.  OK, each individual coin still has the value of 5 apples because of the monetary deflation, but I lost half of my savings !

So how does this work to keep the savings constant, if the market cap of M0 halves ?

If, from friday on saturday, people don't like M0 any more, and want N0, how do you keep the price level constant AND the savings constant of those people still holding M0 ?

Also, look onto it from the side of the N0 holders, before the M0 holders came for N0.  Why would these people who were holding N0, agree to turn out a lot of N0, so that the value of their savings *doesn't* increase in the face of all these newcomers to N0 ?
If the N0 holders are free to determine the quantity of N0 printed, why would they do a favor to the newcomers, and not ask them a higher price for their precious N0 ?
Of course, that's something that is nicer, if there is mining with proof of stake, and if you can get new coins proportionally to your stake.  You may indeed decide that if you were holding 100 N0 coins, that you have the right to create 50 more, which decreases the value of an individual N0 back to its stable price.  If normally, due to higher demand for N0, there was potentially a price increase of 50% of an N0 coin (7.5 apples instead of 5 apples), allowing everybody owning 100 N0 coins to make 50 new N0 coins makes this fall back to 5 apples, but you now hold 150 coins.
The question is, of course, if those N0 holders go back to M0 on money, how you go down again from 150 N0 coins to 100 N0 coins....

You could wonder what would be the reason for massive moves between N0 and M0, if these coins are both "price stable". There can be different reasons.  One would be the confidence that people have in these two coins.  Others could be that big players want to get the coins slightly off equilibrium to make margin profits.  They know that they don't risk any thing on the long run, as the long run exchange rate will always be 1, and they try to make a benefit on the lag on regulation, where the exchange rates differ from 1.
Yet another reason could be that there is an interesting buy in one of the coins with merchant, who only accepts, say, N0, and refuses M0.  Or still other reasons.  



Hi
i work for IdealReserve MO,we are now added to c-cex voting list,will be possible for you to see how it is going,you can contact me about IR anytime via pm,i have contact to dev

We had Vernon Smith experiment repeat on reddit private trading,
it was really interesting

http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/CourseyVSmith.html
5143  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: May 14, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
 Very interesting thread,,now i am in independent development of a kind of economy system with deflation inflation control algorithm,and fastest currency on market,half second
All based on Chicago Economy School ,mostly Milton Friedman

I will like to sent you pm and introduce you to system and contact to dev of you willl ike to
Regards
P
5144  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: itbit become first bank, what do you are think ? on: May 14, 2015, 05:04:54 PM

 I think it can nicely serve for bitcoin  legitimacy

and i think than will be similar services in Europe,Germany,Uk
There is of EU comission with his digital money departmant already established
5145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Announcing Songcoin - Invest in Music on: May 14, 2015, 04:55:42 PM
 Nice initiative
Not for me becouse i dont mine
C-cex wallet is showing ok

I withdraw 100 songs with succes
5146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Exchange] ALCUREX - Registered - USD Markets - Open for trading on: May 13, 2015, 11:57:53 PM
 It can be very good exchange
i think main advantage is physical gold coin market
what you think to set up like givaway ,there is something like that on poloniex.C-cex has his voucher system
it can brings more user,rise volume
5147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What should the government do to make women start using Bitcoin? on: May 13, 2015, 11:46:34 PM
Shopping disscounts with btc
Christmass shoping
30% off with btc
some promo bitcois in supermarkets
there is possible to do many things for that
the same question can be for man
5148  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you do with your btc? on: May 13, 2015, 11:35:05 PM
I've been sharing what little BTC I have with family and friends. My hope is that eventually they will all begin to see the amazingness that is Bitcoin. In particular I've been targeting my African friends from university and telling them that they should use this as the medium of exchange to send things back home to their friends and family. They've been pretty interested in it because we frequently talk politics and problems specifically regarding brutal dictators and the IMF.
can thay exchange btc to fiat
We still cant buy bread with btc
5149  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you do with your btc? on: May 13, 2015, 11:33:39 PM
Mostly to buy altcoins to swim between gains anl looses,lol
5150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin NPO as Bank on: May 13, 2015, 11:01:14 PM
 Hi
Very interesting
i will like to contact you and introduce you to new and totally diffrent digital currency system
with fastest coin on market,half second transaction,and price stability thanks to deflation inflation control algorithm

It is not pow,no pos,nothing what you know
and anybody in the world can make money with that with start up costs 15$
it is kind of decantrelized economy system with his own value priced in USD
now here in Europe is very late,so i will like to contact you tmorrow
anytime you send me pm messege
Regards
P
5151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Announcing Songcoin - Invest in Music on: May 13, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
 that what i am talking about is full simplicity.dev is propably the best in crypto
song can totally independent
anddomt need miners at all
byembye
anybody with internet conection can mine for start up costs 15$
price stability through his algorithm,inflation deflaton control
5152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Announcing Songcoin - Invest in Music on: May 13, 2015, 02:03:21 PM
 Maybe it is time to take seriously under cosidaration to integrate songcoin with diffrent system or to switch to diffrent system
You can have half second transaction coin,any problem with mining,oppotunity to integrate with any system

web wallet done,mobile wallet done,established for individuals,business,institutions,opportumity to build more over his system,
and now IdealReserve has been added to C-ex voting list
Song need to have fast,secure transactions done all over the world
5153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can London be a Global Bitcoin Hub? on: May 12, 2015, 10:57:22 PM
Yes definitly yes,London is top place for technology startups,becouse of that google has his location there
London isfinacial center of the world with very well working scrutinity
And UK see in digital currencys big potencial to boosthis economy and creating job places
5154  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Satoshi still have plans to access his coins? on: May 12, 2015, 10:51:51 PM
 I think that Satoshi is not one man,it is project of more people,what they will do or did do,i dont,i think thay didnt expected that in so short time it will be so huge,future is always crazy
5155  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC in your country on: May 12, 2015, 10:45:10 PM
 Poland here EU
I only know myself.We have in Poland btc embassy,but thay are doing nothing to promote btc.The only one thing is one way ATM machine in his place.I kow there is many miners.Now something move.we have really good and secure btc exchange,,we have two two both way  btc ATM installed in Warsaw and we will have more over all country,that people want also to start promote btc.I hope we will have btc to cash service
same like there is in Spain,withdraw ,exchange cash in bank atms
That what is kiling btc is taxation.btc here is property,pay tax when you own not when you sell and VATthat becouse of that you can buy nothing here with btc
5156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Exchange] ALCUREX - Registered - USD Markets - Open for trading on: May 12, 2015, 09:27:58 PM
Hi halibit
i have found your exchange really great and diffrent than others one
I will send you tomorrow coin request what is also diffrent than anything else
Now is late here in Europe
Kind Regards
P
Waiting your request Smiley
We are open for new crypto innovations.

Thanks.I am sorry than i didnt submitted yesterday,to much tired,i think may be lie bluechip,technology guranteed price stability

Done

Ask me whatever come in your mind
Regards
P
5157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Exchange] ALCUREX - Registered - USD Markets - Open for trading on: May 12, 2015, 09:14:48 PM
Hi halibit
i have found your exchange really great and diffrent than others one
I will send you tomorrow coin request what is also diffrent than anything else
Now is late here in Europe
Kind Regards
P
Waiting your request Smiley
We are open for new crypto innovations.

Thanks.I am sorry than i didnt submitted yesterday,to much tired,i think may be lie bluechip,technology guranteed price stability
5158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Announcing Songcoin - Invest in Music on: May 12, 2015, 01:27:11 PM
 So what now,blockchain is still not moving
5159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Announcing Songcoin - Invest in Music on: May 11, 2015, 01:35:37 PM
 I am also very confused about lack of information from songcoin side
5160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Exchange] ALCUREX - Registered - USD Markets - Open for trading on: May 11, 2015, 12:25:41 AM
So sorry what is Blue chipped coins
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