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5141  Economy / Speculation / Re: The MtGox exchange rate will not exceed $100/BTC in 2013 on: March 28, 2013, 09:35:21 PM
Proudhon, you just gave the signal for breaking $100 in the Easter weekend  Tongue
5142  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the main reason for the recent price raises? on: March 28, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
Please make it $1 for 1 BTC  Kiss
5143  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
My original question was (rephrased): if you accept and understand that you were loaning money to the bank instead of having money in the bank, does that change the way you interpret the way things went and who's fault it is that the money is not there?
I will never consider keeping money on current account as loaning or lending. Every current account was eligible to withdraw the whole amount in cash, until now...

Then I will stop bothering you. I'm afraid you got treated with the essence of fractional reserve banking and the exact nature of a current account: a loan.

What I would like to put forward is that the money was long, long gone. It wasnt the EU that took it away. The losses of the bank were already sufficient to let your money vanish more than a year ago. Talk to your banker, politician and regulatory authority, and not so much the EU.

I wish you all the best in these hard times.
5144  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
Money in your bank account is not there. You basically loan money to your bank in return for some interest and banking services. I am trying to set the right perspective here.
As i said my business didn't have any interest on this account. All banking services were paid by deducting necessary amount from the account annually.


That's not what I mean. Want I want to put forward is that the bank shows a number in your account (the balance) but the money is not acutally there. If you bring 100 100-euro bills to your bank, they wont keep those bills stashed for you. Electronic euro's are not kept aside to fit your balance. That money is just not there. You don't deposit money in a fractional reserve bank so that the bank keeps it for you in a drawyer. You loan the bank money and the bank goes on doing other things with that money. Only a small part is kept in reserve, which is vastly insufficient to cover all deposits if too much people demand their moneyloan back.

So, you loaned to a corporate entity that wasn't good for its debts.

My original question was (rephrased): if you accept and understand that you were loaning money to the bank instead of having money in the bank, does that change the way you interpret the way things went and who's fault it is that the money is not there?

I am trying to set the right perspective here.

Retrospective is too easy.
Until yesterday Cyprus banks were collecting banking awards:  http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PrudentInvestorNewsletters/~3/NIEssTKvTn0/example-of-mania-phase-awards-received.html

Whether people could trust banks is a different matter than setting the right perspective. First we should set the facts, and after that we can discuss causes and blame.

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Not to speak about the fact that the eurocracy has been always pimping the safety of greek debt like there is no tomorrow, and it was that that sinked the Cyprus banks.

Sorry, but if you had money in a bank that held Greek bonds, you were clearly not paying attention. The only thing I can think of as a defence, is the $100,000 government guarantee but above that, you would be loaning money to a high risk junkie. Again, politicians may have argued that Greece debt was safe, but I have never seen a politician convicted for not telling the truth. That's not a valid guarantee. Otherwise, people would never be accountable or have to bear risks for their own financial decisions. Although awful as it went for OP, that is just not the way we should organise our society.

Ironically, Dijsselbloem got lambasted just for saying this simple truth.
5145  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
Money in your bank account is not there. You basically loan money to your bank in return for some interest and banking services. I am trying to set the right perspective here.
5146  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the main reason for the recent price raises? on: March 28, 2013, 08:55:05 PM
Then it confirms you have not the IQ (or attention span or bias) to understand.

There, I corrected it for you. You did indeed understand me correctly  Tongue

I'm going back to my other life. There is Bitcoin crashing to watch. I suggest you join as well: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.16660;topicseen
5147  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
The whole concept of fiat money is the biggest Ponzi ever.

The question remains: if you loan out $700k to a junkie, do you expect to get your money back?
Now: loan out the same amount to a black hole Cyprus bank (even I could tell you that), do you expect to get your money back?

I understand it's not nice to be confronted with the truth, but blaming someone else does not change the fact that you lent money to a deadbeat in a nice suit.
5148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 08:46:27 PM
Can only bounce so many times before the bulls run out of fiat, then it's only the newbies left to support the price Cheesy

Bitcoin is going to die. Right fucking now.

This is quite possibly the best moment of my entire life.

who are you?
i mean which name did you use here before?



Probably the same as this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=88197

Trolls are on the loose.
5149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
Let the price be what it is. I won't get nervous until a breach of the protocol.

Besides, I also got Litecoins  Shocked Shocked Shocked Grin
5150  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the main reason for the recent price raises? on: March 28, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
After reading 10 words I stopped. Its full of fallacies and, no, I wont be spelling them out because I need to spend my time better. You can consider that my loss  Grin

The reason for prices going up is more buyers than sellers. The rest is just stories. People like stories.

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Wekkel, you would be wise to realize my IQ is well north of 140.

I realise that genius and insanity are closely related. And no, I don't mean that as an insult.
5151  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the main reason for the recent price raises? on: March 28, 2013, 08:26:11 PM
Nice FUD.

Factual and technical retort?

(if you engage me in a debate on the technical design of BitCON, you will lose. Be forewarned. I welcome a debate with any BitCON developer. Bring it on!)

Actually, your tone puts me off from engaging further. I'm sure there's a lot to learn from you but it is the tone that makes the music. I clicked one of your links.

"There is a distinction between preventing excessive inflation (probably good), preventing insider control over and front-running deflation/inflation rate (probably good) and no debasement (certainly bad and unrealistic)."

If it concerns voluntary choice to hold certain currency, I could not care less. But with government money, the games is played differently. Yes, I stopped being interested after reading the -th time about deflation-Baaaad. But I like the slogan  Cheesy

"Gold is a private hedge against government. BitCON is a public IPO for the supra-national corporation's global digital currency."

You made me think, and that's a good thing.
5152  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the main reason for the recent price raises? on: March 28, 2013, 07:51:03 PM
Nice FUD.
5153  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
And if you now correctly consider that 700k a loan by your corporation to the bank instead of your corporation's money in the bank? Does that change your tune?
5154  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What's BFL's game? There hasn't been an update since the 15/Mar/2013 on: March 28, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
A trigger for the next collapse?
5155  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do any of the models apply? on: March 28, 2013, 03:36:26 PM
You're right, those are some of the fundamentals. And a majority haven't changed one iota since inception, so what's commanding this move?

Buyers.
5156  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 1 BTC for the most creative idea on how it will be used on: March 27, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
I will hoard it...
5157  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is terracoin a scam? on: March 27, 2013, 09:34:28 PM
Just have patience and be extra comfortable that you could lose it all. That's what the 10k pizza guy thought as well.....  Grin
5158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is hilarious... on: March 27, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
Are you saying that WU transfers money for free?
5159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the point of Litecoin if Bitcoin is THE cryptocurrency? on: March 27, 2013, 08:27:28 AM
if only mtgox were to support LTC ^^

Create your own Gox.
5160  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Paypal troubles? on: March 27, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Paying for BTC equipment with PayPal and getting burned, how ironic....  Cool
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