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5161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU is winning, isn't it? . . . on: April 26, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
Well, yes and no.

I wouldn't phrase it as "winning" because that implies that it's going to succeed economically, which it might not.  As much as some people like to claim that it wouldn't result in a split, the chance of a low-consensus hard fork like it would have resulting in a split is pretty close to 100%.

The older coin could "win", in the sense of having a higher price, at any time.
5162  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-04-25]‘Rectification Plan’ for Chinese Bitcoin Exchanges Leaked on: April 26, 2017, 03:22:06 PM
‘Rectification’ and perhaps re-education sounds promising, doesn’t it? They never change, it’s all about CONTROL.
Despite you seemingly not realising that rectification is supposed to be sorting something out rather than messing it up, I somewhat agree with you.

I wouldn't really pin this on the Chinese government too much though, more governments in general.  In the current system increased Bitcoin awareness is going to be bad for governments as it can be a good way to launder money and in some cases illegal activity, fraud, or tax evasion.  I'm surprised America haven't gone much further yet, but who knows what they're doing behind the scenes.
5163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which kind of centralisation is best? on: April 25, 2017, 04:04:11 PM
No centralization is good or "the best kind".
My point is that every time openly talks about how terrible someone else's solution is, they ignore their own.  There are flaws in all of them and they all lead to some kind of centralisation.  That's the light people should be viewing this in.
BU's increased amount of data on the blockchain means that running full nodes would become impractical for ordinary users as the amount of Bitcoin transactions would increase much faster than how much data Bitcoin users are willing to download to run a full node.
The blockchain isn't going to skyrocket in size or have way more transactions overnight.
The amount of transactions on the network has been steadily rising for a long time.  If transactions are more convenient, the transaction volume will rise faster.  If it's on the LN it won't result in it being harder to run full nodes, but the LN's transactions themselves are centralised.
5164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Which kind of centralisation is best? on: April 25, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
After having a look at how desperate everyone is for each viewpoint to go through, I've concluded that in all situations they're arguing for a type of centralisation and against another type of centralisation.

BU's increased amount of data on the blockchain means that running full nodes would become impractical for ordinary users as the amount of Bitcoin transactions would increase much faster than how much data Bitcoin users are willing to download to run a full node.

The Lightning Network (a potential development of SegWit) would result in transactions being done largely offchain and essentially centralised into huge transactions.

Staying as we are now without scaling would result in the centralisation of users because it won't be practical for people to spend any small transactions on the Bitcoin network, therefore making the users have to be wealthier.

Switching to Ethereum would equate to acceptance of a centralised development team without a real immutable/high-consensus based network and would also mean that the supply of new money can be controlled, removing Bitcoin's scarcity.

What's your favourite kind of centralisation?
5165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
Well well. Just checked in and we seem to have crept up a smidgen more... $1258USD/$1700CAD at Bitcoinaverage.

Maybe this time $1250 will stick for a while. We're getting closer to gold parity again.

$1700CAD is another rung up the ladder for us Canucks. Feels good.
The difference is that there's no huge hype that's causing the price to spike.  Looks like this time gold parity might stick for longer than a day or two.
5166  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: I hacked secondstrade as i promised on: April 24, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
Well yeah the site is not hacked sorry for the lie .. just trying to make things cool cause people love cool things and you should always give them WAHT they want to see, feel, and hear Grin
I'm not sure people want to see some random website hacked which hasn't (provably) done anything wrong.  Clearly you're an idiot, since gambling isn't inherently a scam (they admit to having a house edge, if you lose money thinking you'll win long-term you're an idiot, maybe you're just annoyed about losing?)


Even more stupid though were them for giving up their account for 0.3 Bitcoin.  I wonder how they'll handle the signature campaign now.
5167  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The impossible has been reached: LTC has 100% SW support! Can BTC ever do it? on: April 24, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Impossible for BTC, Jihan Wu hates Core too much, it will never happen.
UASF is a User Activated Soft Fork.  Basically, it's a mandatory activation.  Therefore it could happen without 95% hashrate actually supporting SegWit (which realistically will never happen).
5168  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: How Much Btc per day Faucets owners make ? on: April 24, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
It would not surprise me that the biggest faucets out there make at least 0,1BTC per day if not more. I think this is a very profitable business if done the right way.
It is actually quite surprising how much traffic some faucet sites get.  Freebitco.in has an alexa rating of 1,743 - shockingly high, really.

Most of their traffic will be coming from poorer countries where the winnings from the faucet do actually mean something and aren't just pure dust - alexa says that 10.2% of traffic is from India, 8.4% from Russia, 8% from Brazil, 4.8% from Iran and 4.1% from Venezuela.  

Anyway, running faucets is expensive and difficult - Freebitco.in for example are clearly pretty desperate for money, which is why they have dice games, talk about the opportunity to win a jackpot all the time and have long-term savings accounts.  It's really not worth it.
5169  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Was it really possible for Bitfinex to amass $65m from their issued tokens? on: April 24, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
I assume lots of people took a payout before the tokens gained their full value so it won't be anywhere near that full figure.
I'm sure that was Bitfinex's tactic for avoiding paying the full amount.  They would never have actually been able to pay it out so they just release a token which no one expects them to repay anyway.

These are not the actions of a reputable service.
5170  Economy / Services / Re: Selling Bitcointalk posts on: April 24, 2017, 05:04:50 PM
Soon this forum will be all about money..

Signature campaigns are here for the users to also earn something while doing what they like: learning more about Bitcoin and chatting with others that have the same interests. Now this forum turned into a money-making website..

I bet, if there was a question upon signup like "How did you find us?" the most common answer would be "a friend told me he earns money on a website and I asked him what website is it"..

I disagree with that. This forum is not about money in whole. People tends to start signature campaigns to support their business about bitcoins/ altcoins as this is the biggest platform for the digital currency projects.
It's not relevant at all who starts the campaign, it's only relevant who joins it because they're responsible for the absolute cesspool of spam that completely dominates entire boards on the forum.

If people's only aim is to earn money they're doing it wrong.

This is a new low for the forum.  People literally paying someone else to make posts for them just to spread their signature all over the forum, it's really pathetic.  In fact, the whole culture of "post quality" in signature campaigns is pretty bad.  What matters is the authenticity of the posts and that people are actually posting them out of interest in the topic or willingness to help people instead of to grab some extra money.
5171  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
But is anybody really thinking that BU is anything else but an "I don't want Segwit" thing, in other words "I want to keep bitcoin exactly as it is, but I want to make you think that I want also a "solution" for crashing the lucrative fee market" ?


For some people it's:

I want Bitcoin to split in two, so I can 'double' my coins!
I hate the censorship theymos is doing on his privately owned forums, therefore I am going to express my anger of this by supporting BU
I think the devs have full control over Bitcoin and I trust the miners more than I trust the devs, so I want miners to have the power to make economic policy.

Spot on.  Even if the devs are corrupt, they're not naturally/inherently that way.  Miners have a profit motive, so voting from miners is solely based around who has the most money to throw around for Bitcoin.

Core has been consistent enough not to cause a giant crash in the number of nodes being ran.  Anyone committed enough to run a full node will have an understanding that alternative implementations exist, and yet most of them don't choose BU or other nodes, simply because Core comparatively know what they're doing. 

BU's status as a kind of miner uprising is terrible.  It's basically just miners hoping to increase the transaction capacity directly for profit who are terrified of offchain transactions to make microtransactions convenient or other solutions to actual problems in the protocol.
5172  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Genesis mining is a scam and will no longer pay out coins DOGE STILL PENDING on: April 24, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Still haven't been paid the approximately 140,000 DOGE I am owed, so they aren't fully in the clear with me yet. Bumping this thread and reminding them.
I'm thinking that they're just monitoring this forum so that anyone who posts about them being a scam gets their money.  Genesis Mining are a pretty evil company even if they don't directly scam their users.

Did you really get ROI though?  Most of the posts I've seen about Genesis Mining (especially on Scam Accusations) are just saying that it's impossible to ROI with them any more, so they're just legitimately stealing your money and then keeping the machines after two years.
5173  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Cryptoways.com: your way to wealth! on: April 24, 2017, 03:25:02 PM
That's very dodgy.

Looks like you're just running a really low-quality matrix scheme which doesn't even have https support and trying to pass it off as a legitimate service for introducing newbies to Bitcoin.  People have to fail for others to succeed.  It's just simple maths.
5174  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading and its initiation on: April 24, 2017, 03:12:55 PM
With altcoin trading, it's all about whether they're copying another coin.

There are lots of altcoins with the Scrypt mining algorithm that just copy other Scrypt coins and have very few differences but advertise themselves with the properties that these coins already have.  There are also lots of Bitcoin SHA-256 copycats today even when it's pretty old technology now.

The important thing is that the altcoin has a real market - you just need to find the coins which have some difference which helps them to be potentially useful - Monero for example is very good at anonymising transactions which is why its price has been growing in a quite stable way for a while.

If they are copying another coin, you should only trade it with Bitcoin if it's very new or in ICO and you think there's going to be a bit of a pump at the start.
5175  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Non-Profit Blockchain Based Charity on: April 23, 2017, 07:09:03 PM
Great idea.  The most important reason why you would have a blockchain based charity is transparency.

With fiat charities, it's so much harder to follow the money.  With a blockchain, you have the choice to independently verify everything - that the charity owns the address that you're sending to, that different people own the addresses that the charity is sending to (and if the charity puts work on it it's much easier to prove without doubt exactly who you're sending to and why).

It would also take away people's excuses not to donate to charity, related to how little they actually spend on the causes (although personally I think the charities are often investing it in advertising and general investments so that the cause gets more money in the long term).
5176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
The rise of btc with 10% at bitfinex and poloniex since the last week with regard to usdt is fake, since in kraken usdt dropped by 8-10% to the fiat usd. The whales are trying to bite the 1%-profit daily traders so the whales can withdraw in time to their bank accounts before the big drop. They are still trying to delude the traders that there is a chance bitfinex can be saved. The truth is it is doomed and this was planned a long time ago. These two exchanges (btc-e and biftiniex) are well known for their shady owners and fears of exit scam. It is a matter of days, may be hours before the bad news is announced. If the so called 'bad news" of tightening control of chinese exchanges, sec denial and bu fork, lead to 40% drop of price, imagine the damage to the price caused by real bad news of the imminent bankruptcy of one (possibly) two of the largest exchanges. This may lead to panic withdrawals from other exchanges, so nobody can predict how deep will be the new emerging crisis. Huh Of course the btc (now usd) whales will buy very low just to sell a year or two at a much higher level.

Why would Bitfinex bankruptcy cause bitcoin price drop?
Why would withdrawals from other exchanges cause bitcoin price drop?

You're dreaming, buddy.


Actually it would cause a price drop.  If Bitfinex went bankrupt people wouldn't be withdrawing anymore from the exchange because the exchange wouldn't let them anymore, so the amount that will be withdrawn from the exchange is pretty close to what has already been withdrawn based on what people currently believe about the future of Bitfinex.  So there will be some withdrawals before they go bankrupt, but not loads.

What has to outweigh the amount of withdrawals from Bitfinex to other exchanges is the amount of money that isn't put into Bitcoin because of fear of the exchanges scamming people.  It's safe to say that when Mt. Gox has already collapsed and Cryptsy has collapsed and yet another Bitcoin exchange is about to collapse that people will be increasingly scared of buying Bitcoin with fiat deposits into an exchange - that will stunt the price growth.

If USDT fails along with Bitfinex as well it'll only make it worse and could cause panic selloffs for a little while.  It won't be as extreme as people think but it'll be something.
5177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will get half million dollars prices by 2030 : Blockchain.info CEO on: April 23, 2017, 10:04:05 AM
There are many competition from other coins out there.

No doubt there will be more gamblers willing to "invest" on crypto-currency in general.
Altcoins = gambling while Bitcoin= investing. In the long run only BTC will succeed as an investment.
Risky investments are not gambling.  If risky investments were gambling, Bitcoin would be gambling too, especially since the lines of what causes its intrinsic value are very hazy and the price is arguably always going to be overvalued.

Altcoins can even be safer than Bitcoin in some cases.  Who knows when Bitcoin could move into a bear market and some other coin could move into a bull market?  No one does.
No. Bitcoin has by far the biggest community, marketcap, marketdomminance, most spread amount of coins of all the crypto's. If bitcoin doesnt succeed, no other crypto will. Bitcoin is a store of value, anti inflation, investment and safe heaven for altcoin traders. Bitcoin is here to stay, altcoins could easily dissapear or go to shit. Look like redcoin, or tether any many others. I wouldnt be suprised if Dash would be dead in 3 years. Altcoin= gamble. Only a few good ones around like Lisk, Byteball, Stratis, Ubiqsmart. Never let some altcoin decide what to do with your money. In BTC we trust. :-)
I think he's got a point actually.  You're right that Bitcoin has the biggest community and market dominance, but that's not relevant to whether an altcoin is a good investment.  People use Monero because it's better than Bitcoin for illegal activity and anonymity.  People use Ethereum because it's better than Bitcoin for app development.  These altcoins all serve the same purposes as Bitcoin to some extent but with their own additions for different niches.

Even if it was a scamcoin or shitcoin it would still be an investment, just a bad one.

5178  Economy / Goods / Re: WTB a TREZOR Metallic on: April 23, 2017, 09:25:52 AM
Interesting, thanks for your honest response here. You could have easily offered to sell me your busted one.

I haven't heard any complaints about the metallic version, but honestly I haven't seen much talk about them at all. It's fitting that the version that looks so good has such fundamental flaws...that's life, eh?

Ok, I'll look into the plastic version.

Have you hand any experience with the metal private key holder?

Thanks.
To my knowledge metal trezors stopped being produced due to the various malfunctions this material caused.

They are easily identified as crypto-related and in case you lose it or someone finds it, put all your bits are gone. Yeah it's stainless, waterproof etc, but so is a piece of paper.

Paper dissolves in water and is stained by almost anything. If paper were a safe option Trezor wouldn't exist.
Paper wallets are probably better than TREZOR for ultra long-term HODLing, even though TREZOR is about as safe as you can get holding it digitally.

If you laminate it and store it somewhere safe (say I buried it in my garden inside a safe, for example) it basically couldn't get any safer than that since it's immune to cyber attacks.  You could even have a second paper wallet stored in a different place and then you'd be safe against a 5-dollar-wrench attack (just tell them where that one was containing only a small amount of Bitcoin).

TREZORs are very secure but their main purpose isn't to be safer than a paper wallet, it's to be better for everyday transactions than a paper wallet while still being secure.
5179  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-04-23]Bitcoin Proponents Are Laser Focused on One Particular Mining Pool on: April 23, 2017, 08:57:47 AM
Indeed, and you'll notice that I concentrated on scaling vs non-scaling, no mention or allusion to Segwit in any way, shape or form..
What you said very strongly implies that you think SegWit is the only viable possible solution though, because you believe that changing the transaction capacity through block size isn't actually scaling the network and the network needs to be scaled.

So you implied that you think SegWit is the only major solution given which would actually scale the network (and therefore that you support it, unless you find some completely irrelevant solution that none of us have heard of).
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This is so weird.  Maybe you didn't read what I said or what anyone else said?

This forum isn't for Ponzi schemes.  It doesn't matter whether they're paying or not - they were always intended to be scams. Everyone knows perfectly well that these schemes stop paying after a while.

Take it to Investor-Based Games or don't post it at all.
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