Now trading over $400 for BTG

Hell yes no software, nothing tested, hell they just wrote "Getblocksubsidy" yesterday so they could support mining pool proxy's.

I repeat NOTHING has been tested.

The launch at 12NOV@1700UTC if it happens, will be a complete kluster-fuck, but that appears what they want, they can blame DOS for the failure of code to launch,

All the code coming into BTG ( github.com/btcgpu ) is coming from bounty, as the idiot dev's in Bulgaria/China can't code C++; Nobody has any idea of what they're doing, nor do they care, what is known is that yes, CAP will be in BILLIONS and these dev's with their +100 Million pre-mine will cash out and slip away, remember virtually everybody is ANONOYMOUS in this scam.

The fact that all the exchanges are in on this is TELLING that all exchanges are scams,

Somebody is going to lose big on this, what has been lost is BITCOIN, 1,000's of PPL have taken THEIR BTC out of storage and SOLD to buy these 'SHIT-COINS': Alts, & BCH/BTG

Because inherently what we have here is GREED attack, the likely outcome will be GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION to protect IDIOTS,
STudy tulip mania, or any 1700's madness of the crowds, the end result is never to blame the greedy fools the outcome is to always create more GOV regulations


It's well known that BCH is owned kept alive by BITMAIN(alibaba), but BTG is owned by Jack Liao, who simply wanted to play the same game that BITMAIN was playing, its better to pull shit-coins out of your ass than mine them, and more profitable too

This site has gone 100% negative on BTC

Jack Ma of Alibaba, richest guy in CHINA wants to control BTC, by way of BCH,

Amazon.com controls this site, and is an alibaba clone in USA, but alibaba is much bigger, and controls the world

Both understand that payment of future will be in BITCOIN the brand,

Thus the battle of the titans is to get all the MORONS to sell their REAL BTC and trade for shit-coin like BCH,

The price of BTC is not down, its been bouncing between 7500 - 6500 for months

The disinformation and negative bullshit on this amazon.com site is 100% bullshit

Satoshi didn't want assholes of amazon or alibaba to own BTC, its the money of the people of the world.

It's most important for people not to forget that CHINA owns 90% of Bitcoin, because they own the miners

But they don't own the code, or the core, with BCH its an ATTEMPT to gain 100% control of the software

NYA&CHINA working together to control BITCOIN (NYA+CHINA=IMF,BRIC,BIS ) same ppl that Satoshi wanted to dis-empower in the first place

CHina only wants ONE thing the BRAND, they plan to re-invent and re-write the coin, but they want the brand, they want to be able to apply the brand to any thing they wish,

BCH is china, BTG is CHINA, all these pathetic forks are on ATTEMPT to balkanize and destroy the orginal creators of Bitcoin, the CHINA warlord BILLIONIARES want BTC 100% for their very own,

Already in CHINA they're saying that BTC is too important to be controlled by dumb-white-idiots, that's the ASIAN-GOLD of the future,

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So far the assholes are losing the war, the assholes in NYA gave up with their segwit2, the assholes running BTG are a known scam, and BCH ( bitcoin 'cash' ) is also a BITMAIN klusterfuck designed to balkanize BTC, luckily the community ignores all these forks, which are all shit coins

The price doesn't  Mean shit, what matters is that people  hold to the SATOSHI ANARCHIST them of BITCOIN, and not become just lemmings following the BIG BANKS and another walking dead dinosaurs.


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If it were not for BITMAIN forcing people to BUY antminers in BCH, the price would have dropped to zero months ago

BITMAIN created BCH, they already own BTC because they own the miners, but they don't own the core, or the software, THEY want to control the brand, all these fuck forks are designed by the likes of BITMAIN & NYC-NYA to destroy the dream of Satoshi.

Nice has is for FOOLS, and not bit-fools but real life morons,

Nice-Hash is NOT NICE, they don't pay out in BTC, they use BTC as an accounting number,

If U do mine for them, U will never see a reward as the hoops U must jump make it impossible, and should U dedicate your miners for weeks, U will end up finding out the only egress, is to Cash-OUt to PAYPAL ( probably own nicehash ) where u have to pay 50% exit fee

NICEHASH mantra is EARN BITCOIN, yep, but they DONT payout in BITCOIN

If U dont' own the private key, the BTC is not yours, and nicehash provides the address, but its not a real address

In summary the ONLY people who play with nicehash are idiots, morons, fools, sheep, and wannbe living on the street people

The ONLY option is too pull lots of ICO x11 coins out someones anus and market them hard, and hope that mining x11 becomes fashionable,

Hell a few months ago we all thought sha256 was dead, now BITMAIN has raised the price

What is clear is that days here in cryptopia-insanitia everything is alice-in-wonderland topsy turvy

Today D3 is worthless, tomorrow who knows?

Another known - known is they made 100K of them, and only 20k have hit the street so far, so when the final 80k hit street, ... I would say IF U sold and got $500 USD, U will look like some kind of geni-ass

Once again, BITMAIN plays the fools as fools

yep, we used to call this the COLD boot and HOT boot, now its just reset, and the power never 'really goes' off most system stay running,

thus to really 'reset' COLD-BOOT U must pull the plug either a double-relay on a rasberry pi type device, but certainly no way to cold-boot without pulling the plug especially with windows,

with all the spyware most devices like android are always on and listening  even when off, same for windows, they never really turn off unless you pull the power and ALL battery's,

another reason not to use windows, on linux it would be easy to do a full software cold-reset, but on windows, well windows 10.0 as they say is spy-ware

luckily the MOBO bios has lots of switches that windows can't control, so it sounds like you figured out how to get a REAL COLD BOOT without pulling the plug

The one that works is best,

Figure 80% utilization, keep them cooled, good air-flow

I find it better to BUY Two 750 CM's than to buy one 1500 CM, 2 750's are $100 each, the 1500 is like $400, each 750 can support a 3-1070's no problem, u can buy  a cable for $1 that ties the two pwr-supply's together so they sync,

The only place I can see using a 1500 watt ( 1250w ) power supply is to power a BITMAIN antminer machine that requires special cableing

Pain in the ass to find 1500W gold supplys, easy to find 750CM (modular that 2-3 sets of 8pin gpu power)

More important that quality is running the thing below 75% utilization

More important is running your gpu's at 110 Watts, and NOT running them at 150watts, which kills everything,

Biggest problem in mining is most of the jackasses don't have a clue about hardware

Next to power is having plenty of external fans to blow clean cool air in, and over, and sideways

If your running a 1070-6 rig with two 750cm, that 3 gpus per supply at 330w, maybe mobo pulling 80 watts, your probably running at 60% utilization plenty of margin, these days even cheap ass chinese clone power supply have all the protection built-in

I like the 750CM supply's because they contain 4 8pin connectors, so you can run a BTC-12 MOBO and with 3 supply's and run 12 1070 cards off one rig, other wise a 2,000 watt supply would be +$1,000 USD

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Another reason to run LINUX, windows only support 6/( cards, linux u can do as u wish.

With CERTAINTY its a SCAM, its been researched since August 2017, all the players are scammers, the owners of all the associated websites BTG, BTGCPU, BITCOIN-COIN, are all part of organized ICO-SCAM ring.


The scammers who orchestrate this scam, aren't even writing the code, they're paying 'bounty' of shitcoin to people who write the code as needed, in effect that scammers didn't even have the resources in house to do a BTC CLONE, pathetic when you think how these people are giving professional scammers a bad name.

Fact is nobody would go work for a pump&dump scam operation, not being a real job, thus they just create websites and try to hustle people to work for free.

No way in hell this thing will be operational in 31 hours, right now target is 12NOV@1900UTC

Even if they release so called 'working code' it will take 4 days on average to download the blockchain, as you can't use the bitcoin --datadir=, or copy an existing, you must download and -bootstrap, because this bitch convert existing blockchain from 1mb to 2mb,

In effect even IF there is code it will take days for the POOLS to download and get the blockchain functional, people have been now -testnet mining on POOL.GOLD for 3 weeks, now -testnet mining on btg.suprnova.cc for days, reporting 800K Million sols/sec, which is BULLSHIT, most likely 800k sols/sec, but its all indicative of the fact that NOBODY cares that nothing works.

Solo miners too, once the main-net code is released must download the working block-chain ( convert ) and get it up before they can mine,

I suspect that internally at btcGPU ( bulgaria ) they must have already at the very least have a working block-chain ( its actually easy to enable main-net in the code ), its easy to get the seed-nodes,

But it might be 4-5 days after 12NOV before "REAL MINING" begins, if at all, I doubt code will be released, if its released it will be full of bugs and non-functional, and the team github.com/btcgpu, will fall back into excuse mode and blame DOS for their incompetence, as they have done all along for 2+ months.

With CERTAINTY its a SCAM, its been researched since August 2017, all the players are scammers, the owners of all the associated websites BTG, BTGCPU, BITCOIN-COIN, are all part of organized ICO-SCAM ring.


The scammers who orchestrate this scam, aren't even writing the code, they're paying 'bounty' of shitcoin to people who write the code as needed, in effect that scammers didn't even have the resources in house to do a BTC CLONE, pathetic when you think how these people are giving professional scammers a bad name.

Fact is nobody would go work for a pump&dump scam operation, not being a real job, thus they just create websites and try to hustle people to work for free.

No way in hell this thing will be operational in 31 hours, right now target is 12NOV@1900UTC

Even if they release so called 'working code' it will take 4 days on average to download the blockchain, as you can't use the bitcoin --datadir=, or copy an existing, you must download and -bootstrap, because this bitch convert existing blockchain from 1mb to 2mb,

In effect even IF there is code it will take days for the POOLS to download and get the blockchain functional, people have been now -testnet mining on POOL.GOLD for 3 weeks, now -testnet mining on btg.suprnova.cc for days, reporting 800K Million sols/sec, which is BULLSHIT, most likely 800k sols/sec, but its all indicative of the fact that NOBODY cares that nothing works.

Solo miners too, once the main-net code is released must download the working block-chain ( convert ) and get it up before they can mine,

I suspect that internally at btcGPU ( bulgaria ) they must have already at the very least have a working block-chain ( its actually easy to enable main-net in the code ), its easy to get the seed-nodes,

But it might be 4-5 days after 12NOV before "REAL MINING" begins, if at all, I doubt code will be released, if its released it will be full of bugs and non-functional, and the team github.com/btcgpu, will fall back into excuse mode and blame DOS for their incompetence, as they have done all along for 2+ months.

Top ten coin-cap are not going away anytime soon,

Best coin is the coin you can mine for free, and not pay for that pay's the cost of electricity and hw,

Day-Trading crypto's especially crypto's that are just backed by 'shit', are a certain way to lose your money,

Hell miners don't even mine shit-coins because they don't pay electrical costs, but traders have no 'sense' of value or cost for a coin,

For every shit-coin on this forum, there are dozens of BOTS shilling for that shit-coin, thus no question asked can get a rational answer.

Best coin, is that one that has the most value, that U get for free when mining,

People who PAY USD or BTC for alt-coins, are just putting faith into other people's greed, and historically this never ends well

Sure there are +2,000 shit-coins, so lets say you have $200K, and invest $1,000 in 2,000 shit-coins, and one of them goes up $1000%

That means you turned your $200k into $10k ... lucky you

It's all shit, and there is a 1 in 2000 chance that one of them will even go to $10, just study the history,

There are only 1/2 dozen front runners, and most forks trade at 10% of the mother, and only support 2-3 forks

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I myself am a MINER, and I don't BUY SHIT COINS, and I don't MINE SHIT COINS.

But I do make MONEY, and I never lose money.

All your ALTS are shit-coins, they will all eventually go to zero, none are buy&hold coin

Good alt is like HUSH or Zencash,  all these penny coins are shit that you own

Eth is a good alt, so is zcash, or monero they will hold

You hoping that one of your penny coins go to infinity, not going to happen,

So U sell your gold BTC, and you buy shit,

BCH was pumped, most likely by BITMAIN ( owners of BCH )

SEGWIT2 being cancelled is GOOD, most ppl wanted this thing DEAD, and didn't want NYA controlling bitcoin.

BTC has been jumping between 6500 - 7500 up and down for weeks, this is to be expected

BUY BTC @6500 MORMTIMER BUY

Good alts are not down, Zencash is up 20% for the week, only the shit-coins like bitcoin-z are down 100% for the week,

All the penny coins have no hope in hell of going to $100

BTG took tons of PR money to make that ICO rise to $500, most of the little ICO's are backed by nothing and their sponsors are not rich ppl,

All the cons you list above are just the typical shit-coin, that are a dime a dozen, there are now over 2,000 shit-coins on the market, but only the top 20 should you buy&hold

Fine if you want to day trade shit coins and lose all your money, good for you

But U BUY 10,000 shitcoins a dozen different flavors of 'shit' and wait a year, and chances are most will be worth ZERO, and NONE will be north of $1

Just makes a lot of noise, WHEN U TURN THE GPU FAN ON MAX, and WEARS OUT THE FAN MOTOR, turn your $600 1070 into a brick, maybe this shit was invented by GPU card manufacturers?

Little CPU fan's only cost $3, u want to suck cool air into the front of the card connector and blow cool air down through the cards

I think the idiots, long before they figured out how to over-clock, they first figure out how to control fan-speed, thinking that this was important it became the cause-celibre of mining,

It doesn't do shit, leave it alone,

Just keep your miner under 70C, how do  U do that? Keep the power wattage low,

Most important is small cpu front fans one per two cards running 12v, and then have a large 50cm 220v/110v fan ( cost $10 ) at end of cards blowing air over top and bottom of cards, this gets cool air down on the mother board and on the power-supplys

IMHO the fan's on AUTO is best, they turn on when needed

The PROBLEM is that GPU's were designed to have ONE in a box, but when you have a dozen all next to each other they over-heat, the GPU sucking at air in from its neighbor is not cooling thus, U need cool air to be blown in the front, then it rises, the END fans are to direct the hot air out a window, or into a heat-duct

GPU FANS in a RIG don't do shit if they're just sucking hot air from the 80C card next door

But seriously, DRIVES me crazy all these Stupid "HOW to mine" articles and Utube, first thing they do is show 'fan control'  BULLSHIT all BULLSHIT

I keep all my 1060's at 65C and my 1070's at 59C, and no noise ever from fans,  I blow the hot air out the windows in summer, and let it recirculate in the winter

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Lastly REAL MINERS use linux cmd-line tools to control their GPU cards

WINDOZE is for gamers who stumbled into mining

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10cm front fans (cpu 12v) in front of GPU cards is MANDATORY, and cross fans at end of each rig is preferrable, makes a big difference drops the temp of all cards by 5C, and if you have stacked rigs on a commercial kitchen rack, then the cross fans are mandatory, as you don't want heat from lower right rising to upper rig ( power-supply/mobo)

BINGO

That's why it will fail, majority of ppl are scammers, and they feed each other,

The egalitarian little coin, ... just goes down, ... see price now?/ down from a penny to 0.4, I think about what 72 satoshi and still falling,

I mine it too, and you get 2,000 / day on a normal rig,

Will it go up at number #1000 on the scale?

Too many shit-coins,... markets saturated - game over.

Consolidation is coming

BitcoinZ (BTCZ) has gone astro to 72 Satoshi Proof that BTC is dead

I think U R right, U know China lat month said what they wanted was the "Bitcoin Brand", its doesn't matter what's inside, they want the brand, they already control BCH

BTG, BCH, BTC is all china,

Probably the only think under western control is BTCZ

Kind of funny to see all these  western people arguing about the control of BTC ( & alts ) when in fact China has had +90% hash-power for how long?? Since 2003?

NYA/SEGWIT2 dropping out was fantastic news


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I still say that BITMAIN controls BCH, and they own what 100's of 1,000's of BTC?? They could sell BTC & buy BCH and send BCH to the moon, any time they wish.

What difference does it make?

BUY&HOLD ppl hold both, only the idiot traders, flippers, seem to be concerned, ppl who held BTC when BCH launched got their BCH, so they don't care, the only ppl who care are the flippers, but they're always the losers, so who cares??

Nobody cares,


BIG ASIC CHINA wants to OWN the BTC "BRAND", that's all you got to know.

This is a the BTC forum and BTG is an alt-shit coin, developed by china, russia, and Bulgarian scammers.

Open yobit.net ICO with no software 3+ weeks ago at $500 USD, fell to $100, and now at $150, because there is no market, no software, no block-chain, and no mining.

Once the main-net is working and then shit-coin gets diluted the price will collapse, just like Bitcoin-Z to 2 satoshi.


BCH doesn't collapse because BITMAIN is its sponsor, BTG has no sponsor, thus the price will collapse, once the mining/dilution begins.

Rich ASIC miners in China funded the BTG ICO, so its gotten a lot of PR, but that's all they have is PR & no software.

Never in the history of BTC Clones has there been a team of such incompetent developers, which that in itself should tell you that BTC cloning has gone mainstream and now being done by morons.

The shoeshine boy is now not only shilling BTC-clones, but developing them

Jack Ma owns the websites that trade BTC HARDWARE aka BITMAIN, don't think for a moment that Jack Ma don't own millions of Yuan of BTC. Alibaba ( the Amazon of China ) is the web-store for Bitmain, IMHO Jack-Ma is Bitcoin in CHINA, as Certainly when BITMAIN needs money, they come crawling to the richest man in China

Buffet actually said "I don't invest in what I don't understand"

Dimon, well he just is a status quo banker, with all to lose, and nothing to gain.

Bill Gates said it best "Nothing can stop the IDEA of Bitcoin"

Like 'V for Vendetta' its an idea, an idea that little people don't need banks, and GOV doesn't need to know how much money you have, or what you spend it on, its an IDEAD that cannot be killed.

Artificial bubble created and maintained by BITMAIN, they could easily sell 10K BTCS & buy BCH and flip it tomorrow, they probably will eventually, when they're ready.

There was recent chinese written article about the plan for bch, with the intended goal that China take over BTC, by way of BCH, that BTC was the currency of kings, and not of little people.

Honestly, this is like turning Satoshi's baby into the Frankenstein monster.

Possible, sure human greed, while 2009 BTC may have been 99% anarchist, today its 90% greedy short time thinking fools, and get rich quick nihilists.

Just keep working on BTC 2.0 from scratch, BTC is now nearing 10 years of age, we know the problems, we know the weaknesses, its still possible for little people to control their wealth.

That's funny the 'white paper' didn't mention NYA or Chinese ASIC miners as being the centralized control.

Satoshi wrote BTC 1.0, and that was final.

It seems to me that the BIG-FISH ( bankers, gov, ... ) are turning the Egalitarian Nature of Satoshi, over to their way of thinking.

BTC will live on, SEGWIT2 was declared a failure, BITMAIN forces purchase of their HW in BCH, thus the BCH price doesn't collapse, as their would be no market if ppl didn't have to BUY BCH to buy their S9's, D3's, or L3's.

NYA(GOV) & ASIS-MINING(china/Bitmain) are the forces behind BCH, all of this is against everything that Satoshi believed. Satoshi was an anarchist, he hated gov, he hated centralization.

Satoshi wanted to put the power  of banking into the hands of the people.

People in CHINA(ASIC), and NYA just want to control the world, they want to be the next FEDERAL-RESERVE-BANK, post collapse of the USD.

They can do as they wish, but PLEEEEZE don't say that any of this IMF/APEC/BRIC/BIS stuff has Satoshi's blessing, because it does NOT

SATOSHI is an ANARCHIST, he trusted NO GOV, or BANK

Just two days ago SEGWIT2 was declared dead!

Why? Because the 'experts' & bitcoin-core ppl now realize that Satoshi was right, that there is NO way in hell you can herd a bunch of cat's especially 51%, when there are millions of cats in a open desert.

All forks are dead, if BTC is to have new competition then it must be done from scratch.

WRT to the argument about fee's, slow transactions, ...

Fee's are a problem, but U don't have to pay the fee, and if you just wait until the next block u go into the front of queue,

Slow-transactions, again these are problems of fools, certainly 10 minutes or 2 hours is not bad if your moving $1M USD from a to b, what's the hurry?

WRT to buying coffee, well then use BTC-Z, its a penny coin that is essentially 100% BTC with equihash (GPU), (bitcoin-z 25 billion minted)

I think BTC will continue to be a 'rich mans' coin, no way in hell the average joe can own a coin, no more than the average joe can own an ounce of gold,

The average American don't have $500 USD in the bank, who in the hell is fooling who here?

NO BTC fork will ever get the 51% consensus, the writing is on the wall.

New Forks, or clones have to be VERY GOOD in order to surpass BTC, very good.

PPL forget these debates are not new, back in the 1990's or 1980's with PC's ( personal computer software ) it was first that mattered, and best, and fastest, you had to be one of the three to be a king,

Same now BTC was first, and there they will stay, as for next tier u must be "BEST" who that be? Fastest again, as all is just a cheap clone, ...

I think 2nd gen BTC will come from somebody who rolls a new block-chain paradigm from scratch and resolves all the problems,

For now BTC will be the MODEL-T, perhaps it will have a 20+ year life, ... who knows, most likely it will become the rich mans gold, and become a 'collectors item' for rich people.

Missing for most people is 'privacy', only they say Monero offers privacy, but it doesn't, thus IMHO the next COIN for the rich will be ...


1.) Fast
2.) Best
3.) Privacy, nobody knows, no public ledger, nobody knows whos rich
4.) untouchable by GOV, not even the NSA can break

Doing 1-4 above will require a team of people who are not sucking NSA teat ( gov-payroll/pension ), or being spoon fed by CIA, or MOSSAD.

Almost all coin including BITCOIN is uncomfortably too close to NSA, same for Monero and its questionable choice of ECDSA integers

IMHO the next BTC will come from some kid in Mexico or Laos, on his PC running his GPU, and he'll develop an ALGO that satisfy's 1-4

The problem with all coin to date, is that it all has vested interest by the "Powers that Be"

Take BITCOIN-GOLD, just a worthless piece of shit, but being pumped by richest guys in china, russia, and bulgaria, ... go figure; None of these are giving the little people what they need & want. BTG offers "Zero Privacy" thus in reality its just another way for GOV to tax sheep.

Once again, lets remind all of Satoshi's Vision.

1.) Free banking for all on earth

2.) little to no fee

3.) no transaction cost

4.) anonymous, nobody knows who has money and where

5.) no theft, nobody can steal your money

All governments on earth are organized criminals intent on robbing the sheep, thus the GUYS/GALS to who satisfy the needs of the sheep will NOT come from the status-quo educated elite.

What do U think?

R U willing to work on it?

I know many kids in Vietnam are working on this right now.

Move to a 3rd world country, and teach local kids at high schools how to write block-chains. This shit is not going to come from mainstream western civilization. The status quo has too much invested in continuity of governments.