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521  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: They know the truth but they don't want to accept it, publicly on: January 28, 2024, 10:00:42 AM
I think people often deceive themselves by saying that they play for money for fun.

Understand that some people only stake on their favorite team to win without considering their opponents and odds. This is a show of support and when the reason to gamble is to show support for a team then losing money is never a problem. If this is the case, then gambling for money is not a consideration. Let us consider that Team A is playing against Team B. Team A has an odd of 1.15 and Team B has an odd of 25.2. Statistically, Team A has a higher winning probability rate so it is almost impossible for Team B to win but then an ardent supporter will still stake on Team B with a huge amount of money without concern about losing. When Team B loses, he is not worried about his stake but angry his team lost as a diehard fan and in moments when Team B wins, his excitement still doesn`t stem from his won ticket but the fact that his team won. So, it doesn`t amount to any self-deceit when a gambler says he gambles for fun.
522  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling addiction lead to domestic violence? on: January 28, 2024, 09:30:13 AM
However, I'm wondering if addiction can make someone become aggressive to the point of leading to domestic violence. Has there been any known case of it happening? Lets know what you have to say.

Gambling can create addictive behaviors and thus, have the ability to cause domestic violence on the ground that emotional disturbance and financial ruin are almost unavoidable for individuals with compulsive gambling behavior. Financial ruin can create consternation which can manifest in conflict amongst partners. A gambler can easily be frustrated when he loses in gambling and this can affect his relationship with others around him. No one is happy when he loses more than expected and this anger sometimes creates a volatile environment which becomes a roadmap for creating domestic violence. Although cases of domestic violence created by gambling are not readily available since they are not always published but then, the case of John Moneypenny lays credence to the fact that gambling addiction can manifest in domestic violence. He was sentenced to prison for the murder of his wife and this was traced to gambling debts.
523  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When I'm emotional, I LOSS! on: January 28, 2024, 08:30:28 AM
Hey, guys! Are any of you emotional gamblers who often lose because you can't control what you feel? When you lose, do you tend to double your bets or chase your losses, driven by a pride that can't accept defeat? Do you consider this a problem? If so, has anyone here been able to solve this kind of problem themselves, and if yes, how did you do it?

It is difficult to stick to your stake when you gamble with emotions. As a gambler, it is difficult to leave after losing especially when you still have money to try again. Experience shows that people only leave the gambling house when they have no money left to gamble. It takes discipline to lose and still leaves even when there is still money in the pocket. There is a story of an apprentice who went to a gambling house with his boss's money with the hope of multiplying it. He was into virtual betting. He had $500 then he played a bet with $20, and he lost. Played again with $20, he lost. Instead of leaving, he started increasing his stake since he believed that it would be easy to recover from his loss by increasing his stake. He continued like that until he exhausted the money.

I am a victim of this behavior but then I have tried to control this behavior by ensuring that before I gamble I settle my bills. If I don`t settle my bills, I will end up using it to gamble. Self-control is not guaranteed for me when I am losing and my mind will become preoccupied with recovering the funds lost thereby losing all I have got. Emotional gamblers are always losers and disheartening is the fact that they only tend to remember their wins without considering that they have even lost more in their quest to recoup their losses.
524  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2 years old kids alone at home for hours, while the father goes gambling on: January 28, 2024, 12:17:05 AM
But, if this is not any kind of gambling addiction, but only for fun, by leaving the kids at home alone, with all danger, this is bad decision.

This is a case of gambling addiction. No amount of fun can make a rational-thinking father compromise with the life of his child. It is an addiction that makes us lose our sense of reasoning and feelings. I am a father and I know the joy I get seeing my daughters play around. Now, considering the love I have for them, I can never leave them to go gambling. There are certain lifestyles I stopped when I started having a family. I take control of my gambling and have always guided against getting addicted to gambling because addictive gambling will affect my life and my family overall.
525  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is addiction bad only when it is a problem? on: January 27, 2024, 11:47:25 PM
so those people who are addicted but always win huge will be considered as a gambler who knows what they are doing

Personal observation revealed that addiction takes different forms. You can still be winning yet don`t know what you are doing which is contrary to the opinion above. Emphasis shouldn`t be about money all the time. Good times with friends and family shouldn`t be traded for anything except working time. So, when a gambler is always gambling and neglecting family and friends, he is still acting wrongly even if he is winning. It is worth mentioning that one of the elements of gambling addiction is neglect for family. You can even be surprised to find out that the money he is making from gambling is not channelled to his family but still to gambling and experience will tell us that you cannot win all the time. So, gambling addiction is not a good thing.
526  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Know when to stop on: January 27, 2024, 11:17:43 PM
Are you sure it's that easy to stop gambling for the reasons you mentioned?
People who are addicted will find it difficult to accept the logic presented by other people, they will stop themselves when they feel the need to stop.
Whatever the reason for stopping, it is clear that no literature can explain it. Or the most effective way is to close all gambling platforms, then you will see many gamblers retire.

This is so direct and true. There is no manual on how to stop gambling. Gamblers themselves don`t know when to stop. Some only pretend to have stopped when they run out of staking power. Others claim to stop when they are under pressure from spouses, friends and parents to stop. Gambling is personal and it takes the person to realize that he has to stop since gambling is doing him no good. Only the individual can put an end to gambling. The fact that people gamble online has made anonymity possible and some may claim to have stopped but are still gambling secretly and online gambling has offered them that coverage.

Addiction is so easy to develop but difficult to control and stop. Ask a smoker, drug addict or an alcoholic who desires to stop and he will tell you how difficult it is to stop. Most times he is rendered advised on how to stop it but then, is it that easy? It is easier said than done. This is so with gambling. Theorizing on when to stop it is different from what is at stake in reality. However, people should seek help as soon as it is clear to them that they are beginning to gamble more than they can afford to lose.
527  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: January 27, 2024, 10:45:14 PM
Gambling is entertainment, not an opportunity to make easy money.

Well, there are exceptions. Can we say gambling hasn`t made people rich? If we hold such an opinion are we been truthful? No matter the lens we view it from, gambling has been making people rich and the word easy is relative. A question will suffice here. Won`t a person who became rich from gambling on his first attempt say that gambling is an opportunity to make easy money? He will say that it is easy to make millions from gambling since he was so lucky to win big in his first attempt. But then, a person who has tried severally without result would hold a different opinion about gambling. 

Even though we frown at people who resort to making gambling a means of making money, it has never taken away the fact that gambling has never been an entertainment for a lot of persons also. So many people hope on gambling to change their financial status and this is because the majority of the populace are poor so stories of people who became rich from gambling give them the courage that it is possible to make money from gambling. However, the chances of winning big are slim but then it is possible.
528  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2 years old kids alone at home for hours, while the father goes gambling on: January 27, 2024, 10:01:14 PM
There are a plethora of stories to show the high level of irresponsibility of some parents who gamble. Some of the stories are documented here: https://stoppredatorygambling.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Examples-of-Children-Left-in-Cars-at-Casinos.pdf. In my opinion, this is a case of gambling addiction. An addict does things without considering his actions or the implications of this addiction on people around him. His mind is only preoccupied with gambling which has made him lose his sense of belonging.

It is my humble submission that people who are found exhibiting such character should be restricted from gambling. The question now is, how can this be done? First and foremost, restrictions should be placed on all his online accounts. In addition, all gambling shops should know about this restriction to enable them to prevent him from offline gambling. This is because his actions are beginning to endanger the lives of those dependent on him. After placing embargo on him, he should be compelled to join a Focused Group Discussion where they talk about the control for addiction generally and gambling addiction specifically.
529  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which one did you use to gamble with more on: January 27, 2024, 02:12:14 PM
I have been involved in both pre-match betting and in-play and I will say my preference is on pre-match betting. The reason is that I prefer to research and check the stats of a game before making an informed decision about the game to get the best odds. I also don't have the time to bet on live games my time is always planned so I place my bets before the start of the game. In-play is characterized by changing odds and a gambler may not get the best value for his stake compared to betting before the game.
530  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think gamblers do retired betting gambles on: January 27, 2024, 10:12:59 AM
Almost all elderly people have activities that continue to be repeated every day without getting bored.
This has become a habit that will never disappear until the end of his life.

See documentary videos that show how the elderly do things that are quite extreme, but they enjoy it.
Gambling is only a small part of the activities that some elderly people do, it will be a positive activity if they enjoy it.

I agree with your view. To add to it, the only reason someone should stop gambling at that age is when the reason for gambling is making money. Someone who is in his 70s shouldn't be gambling with the hopes of getting rich. The emotional and mental disturbance occasioned by gambling can cause a lot of problems for an aged person.

However, if the aged person derives pleasure from gambling then he should continue gambling because it will not result in mental or emotional troubles. People of such can even live longer since they will continue to remain happy and we should know that happiness is vital to lead a healthy life.
531  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you been able to win a game given to you in the dream? on: January 27, 2024, 09:41:07 AM
Most of these dreams are mere thoughts a person has already built in his head. When he goes to bed, all these thoughts begin to replay back to him and ofcourse the whole event will feel so real. If these dreams were real, all those who followed their dreams would have been millionaires and billionaires by now.

This can only be taken as a misconception about dreams. A dream is a revelation concerning what is about to happen. Going by this, when it is a product of our thoughts it is no longer a dream because it is not a revelation. But then, some people have mistaken this thought for a dream.

Since the above is the case with many, they can stake and lose thinking they dreamt and it didn't come through. For people who are ardent believers of the Bible, we can agree that revelations were passed to people through their dreams and they came to pass.

On this ground, I know that it is possible to dream about a game and it will surely manifest. Thoughts might not come through because it is a product of what we have held for a while but dreams always come through unless we don't follow them to the latter.

A story will suffice to justify this claim. A friend dreamed about a game and what he saw was 3draws since he was into football betting. He played the 3draws and added a game that he felt was 100% sure. Unfortunately, the game he added ruined the ticket and the 3draws played. It is possible to dream and win.
532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Older men vs Younger boys in gambling, Which enjoys Gambling for fun the more? on: January 27, 2024, 09:00:57 AM
As far as I'm concerned there's nothing really fun to do at 60 it's time for young people to have fun and they bet on having fun with their friends.

Does having fun have any age limitations? I don't think so, a person can always have fun even in old age. At that age, most people have all the time to have fun, no active job, grown-up kids, and can easily focus on things that give them happiness without distractions. So it's wrong to hold the opinion that there is nothing fun to do at 60. If Benjamin Franklin could invent bifocals in his 70s, why can't someone have fun at the age of 60? In this regard, gambling can be fun at 60 and above and when compared with the young, the old enjoy this fun the most.
533  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is addiction bad only when it is a problem? on: January 27, 2024, 07:51:47 AM
I don’t think you’ve seen someone that’s a chronic gambler ie someone that’s extremely addicted to gambling – you might just sit down and be conversing but what’s actually going through their mind is how to gamble, what trick have I not tried yet?, if I put x amount and predict sure x odds I’ll win Y amount, what if I use from this money and increase it times three I’ll be able to return it and have double for myself.

You will never come across an addicted person that will just be idle without having the urge to gamble – most times if they are wealthy they tend to spend foolishly on their account – some might even resort to selling their properties just to find their account. It’s always difficult to find one that’s decent.

Well said. But then, in my opinion, an addicted gambler is an addicted gambler. There is nothing like being extremely addicted. The moment you are addicted you are already showing extremity in your behavior. In my understanding, what differentiates a gambler from an addicted gambler is that a gambler still has self-control whereas an addicted gambler doesn't have self-control and so he is vulnerable to the instinct to gamble at all times even when it is so obvious that he has lost everything to gambling.

Such a person can even steal or lie to get money to gamble. He can borrow money from loan sharks to gamble. The only thing that preoccupies his mind is "Go and gamble you will win now". An addicted gambler can be likened to be person whose immune system is damaged, such a person is susceptible to attacks and so it is with an addicted gambler, you can easily run into problems since that power of rationality is lost. To me, an addicted gambler is an insane person.
534  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling can be a hope restorer if we go about it wisely! on: January 27, 2024, 07:26:57 AM
Imo seeing gambling as a solution to financial issues is the worse what a person can think about. When the situation is bad, risking making it even worse, is not a wise solution. I would never choose gambling as a method to solve any money problem.

Theoretically, gambling is not supposed to be taken as a solution to financial issues because it will create financial ruin instead of financial upliftment. However, Let's face reality. Is it possible for a poor gambler to gamble without hoping to make money? If we must be true to ourselves then the answer to the above question is "no". Even though it is difficult to win in gambling, we cannot also say that gambling hasn't changed lives. There are a thousand and one cases of people who got financial restoration from gambling.

Let it be known that, the sole reason it is advised not to take gambling as a means for making money is simply because it becomes very easy to get addicted and run into debts and other gambling-related problems if the mindset is based on a quest to make millions. Other than this, there is no reason why a gambler shouldn't have a mind to make money from it.

After all, why is he gambling if it's not because of making money? I will still maintain my stand by saying that if you are not rich, you cannot gamble for fun. A hungry person needs food to gain satisfaction and that is how it is with gambling, a poor man can only be happy when he wins. Other than this, he cannot get any entertainment value from it.
535  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: January 27, 2024, 01:01:38 AM
So in essence gambling does not only depend on luck. maybe I could say luck is only 40%. the rest is beyond the luck factor starting from analyzing game data, how we master gambling games, and gambling experience. So if you just rely on luck, I think you will lose more if you keep gambling. It's best if you are lucky to get a small win, just stop playing at that time.


Gambling solely depends on luck. The high-risk and unpredictable nature of gambling has subjected it to an enterprise of luck. However, the fact that it is a game of luck doesn't mean that background analysis of the games is not necessary. But then, those who are into football betting will agree that week in and week out, there is always upset caused by mostly big teams. A team that will be very difficult to foresee them losing. This is where a thin line is drawn between skill or experience and luck. In that instance, only luck can guarantee winning and not experience or skill because even with experience it cannot be foreseen but a gambler can be lucky to have avoided the match.
536  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: gambling for fun vs gambling for the financial benefit. on: January 27, 2024, 12:26:21 AM
it can never be a source of income

I disagree with this assertion. My humble submission is that gambling cannot be an ONLY source of income but it can be a source of income. By interpretation, only source of income connotes total reliance on a particular activity for livelihood whereas source of income connotes that it is only a channel for generating income and not a total dependence on it.

I am into sports betting, I only gamble on weekends and my concern is getting 2odds and I can boost that I am on a winning trek. Now consider that I stake $1000 on 2odds that is, $1000 x 2 is $2000. So, I am making $1000 almost every weekend. Is that not a source of income? But then, I don't rely on it for survival since I have a job devoid of risk and unpredictability which are the ingredients of gambling.



The same thing happens in my neighborhood, most of the youths now take gambling as a source of income. There are some people who don’t have jobs, and they depend on gambling for survival. Some of them will wake up and head to a physical gambling shop, where they will spend the rest of the day, which doesn’t make any sense to me. Why will you make gambling your only source of income? But what I notice is that all of them are addicted to gambling, some of them do crazy things just because they want to gamble.


This is not the case. If you think the youths are making gambling their only source of income where do they get their staking power? Most of these youths have miniature jobs which give them money but their quest for mega money is what is luring them into gambling. I have never seen a person who is 100% dependent on gambling, whether rich or poor because in the end these gamblers always find sustainable means of livelihood. If we think people depend 100% on gambling for survival, how do they feed or survive when they don't win? This is a critical question because they don't always win.
537  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is addiction bad only when it is a problem? on: January 26, 2024, 11:28:14 PM
Gambling addiction has no good sides. In my thinking, gambling addiction is the height of gambling where a gambler knows that gambling is a problem in his life but cannot stop it. An addictive gambler can gamble all his finances and even run into debt just to gamble. When one is a gambling addict, he places gambling above everything including job and family.

Sadly, he can call in sick at his job just to have the time to gamble. He appears so irresponsible, most times thinks of committing suicide, easily gets mood swings, occupies his mind with the hopes of winning all he has lost in gambling and so continues to borrow just to gamble whenever he blows up his finances. Show me an addictive gambler and I will show you an irresponsible debtor with a shortened lifespan.
538  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: January 26, 2024, 10:53:42 PM


It is the manager's decision to leave at the end of the season; he has been at Liverpool for nine years and, according to him, he has run out of energy; the league is too competitive, and only a few survive this long. The announcement surprised everyone because he was one of the best manager in the league, and he will be missed.

The difficult aspect will be finding a suitable replacement to keep the team fighting for prizes. Xabi Alonso and Steven Gerard might be the best options.
I agree with you on the tenure of the coach in the Liverpool team and how long he has being working with the club and also his decision to leave Liverpool at the end of the season, but the point is that, there is still possible situations that will force him to remain in the club, such as Liverpool being able to win this season premier league title which is something that the coach hard not been able to achieve in the last few season and also how bad the situation with the club have been since all the while, that is why I made such statement that, despite his willingness to leave the club, but if the management is able to bring in a good hand of players who can a s work to achieve the coach dream, he may be willing to spend some extra time in the club, that not withstanding.

Anyways also thank for picking out the part which I sound a bit off the discussion but I have this comment explain to you better.

Ending the season with an EPL title medal would be the ultimate send-off, but it will not change his decision. Whether they win the league or any other trophy will have no bearing on his choice, he is leaving because his body is no longer responding to the intensity of the game, not because of poor results. He isn't growing any younger, therefore he'd want to spend some time at home and enjoy the game.

A good vacation for one or two years, then return to management in a less competitive league or perhaps manage the German national team.
539  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: January 26, 2024, 10:45:22 PM
I would like Zidane to force himself, because he is a very good Coach , I have always said that when he is in a team, things must be Decisive , because Now things with this team are more influenced to do something big, we don't know if players like Luis Diaz or someone like them are going to fear that they will be removed from the Team , but it is not a valid option, I have always said that when they are doing something like this , these players must express themselves in some way.

Zidane isn't even an option; he's been on vacation since leaving the Real Madrid position, and I don't think he loved it because I don't see why he wouldn't take any job since leaving Madrid; he's had multiple offers but turned them down, indicating that he doesn't want to go back into management. Personal Xabi appears to be the closest thing to Klopp; he's doing an excellent job at Bayer, plays very dynamic offensive football, and has EPL experience, so he understands how the game is played here.

If they need experience, Antonio Conte and Mourinho are still available.
540  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: January 26, 2024, 10:30:52 PM
So we need to expect a more positive performance and outcome for Liverpool for the coach to be at saver side of things, and much more also the management may need to step in at some point if the can at least get some good hands into the club, at least that will increase the club chances.

It is the manager's decision to leave at the end of the season; he has been at Liverpool for nine years and, according to him, he has run out of energy; the league is too competitive, and only a few survive this long. The announcement surprised everyone because he was one of the best manager in the league, and he will be missed.

The difficult aspect will be finding a suitable replacement to keep the team fighting for prizes. Xabi Alonso and Steven Gerard might be the best options.
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