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521  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM 2.0 • New Design • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • Max Bet Doubled! on: August 24, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
We actually found a great write up about how this "Provably Fair" system is easily bypassed by the Casino.  

Just for some clarification regarding the bolded part. Having provably fair mechanism doesnt mean that the gambling site wont be able to cheat you , in fact the thing with this provably fair is more like an insurance for the player which incase the gambling site tries to cheat then the player will know it . Also regarding them advertising provably fair is pretty much not weird or suspicious as it is a pretty much industry standard around here

P.S : To clarify some off topic things, Im neutral in this case and just providing some blurry things around . Im not part of CoinRoyale nor a shill of them  Smiley

That statement is incorrect, they can cheat you and you would never know it, even with the Provably Fair mechanism in place.

In fact, we have screen pictures of it occurring, on that occasion we did notify CoinRoyale and they refunded the 0.5 BTC but we have no idea of how many times it happened previously.  That is why we have been monitoring closely and last night when it happened again and we reloaded the page the cards were in a different location and who knows if they were the original cards or not.  We did monitor some activity from their server and it appears we were cheated on those bets as well.

Oh, you're talking about the 0.5 BTC? Yup, I remembered that. You sent us screenshot of the cards not loading correctly (which we assumed probably some cache/client connection error), and I refunded you the wager + comp immediately as a gesture of customer service. Despite your "mission of exposing us" (as you mentioned in the email), we still think you are a loyal customer and still intend to treat you like one Smiley
522  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM 2.0 • New Design • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • Max Bet Doubled! on: August 24, 2015, 07:40:10 PM
Sorry for the late response guys. I just saw this Smiley Like I said earlier, our team are sprinting for a new project and didn't spend as much as time on the forum as we'd like to. Anyways...

Statsman, regarding your earlier question of shuffling, you are right about our Mersenne Twister (MT) truncates to 32-bits. However, our dealer shuffle doesn't just use MT and Fisher-Yates, it also uses the Java RNG and therefore the process as a whole has enough randomness.
523  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 21, 2015, 07:27:19 AM
Payout time!  Grin
524  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 21, 2015, 07:26:23 AM
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525  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM 2.0 • New Design • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • Max Bet Doubled! on: August 21, 2015, 07:22:35 AM
Victorhing, you and your team did not read the email correctly.  The example you gave was not what was implied in the email.  I am ok if they dismiss it, I guess you would prefer that the bug be released to the public.

The bug allows the person to know if the dealer has a pat hand or will need to draw, and it also allows the player to know who will win the hand before it is played.  This is easy to take advantage of by doubling down on any hand you know you are going to win, thereby giving the player an advantage.  The only flaw in the game is that the cards seem to be dealt on the dealers favor more than a random amount.

The example I quoted in the previous reply was almost exactly (except I changed the number to A,B,C,D) what we've been told in the email. We take all the reported bugs seriously. The reasons we initially dismissed it are:

1) We've received many similar emails who claimed they saw a "pattern" in card dealing. And the one your friend sent is exactly that.

2) We know that no such pattern exists, all cards are randomly shuffled and the shuffling system is exactly the same for blackjack, baccarat, or video poker. Anyone can prove our fairness with our provably fair system, without reviewing our code.

3) The issue did not gain much of our attention because we didn't lose any bitcoins from your friend who, as you said, been trying to exploit it. The reason behind that, as you mentioned, is there's a flaw in our card system that favors the dealer. And as I mentioned in 2), we know that our card shuffling system is fair and random. Hence the dismissal.

However, with your continuous insistence that there is a bug, I've requested more information from your friend with a promise of bug bounty. And if there's such a bug, rest assured you'll be generously rewarded.

For your card shuffling question, I've passed them to our tech team and they will answer you shortly.

And as we speak, one of our technical team is working on processing the raw data (to show the final state of the game) to aid your statistical analysis. Smiley
526  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM 2.0 • New Design • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • Max Bet Doubled! on: August 20, 2015, 04:45:00 PM
The edge that my friend has is probably fairly small but is completely neutralized by the incredible hands the dealer seems to get, at least that is what I have witnessed the few times we have played together.

If your friend actually has an "edge" than it means that your friend are bound to win in the long run. Having the edge in your favor doesnt mean that you will keep on winning or that you will not lose because of the dealer's "luck as few bad hands are unnavoidable situation though I have never seen anything about bug in BlackJack that gives player an edge

Interestingly, CoinRoyale has not asked my friend about the bug nor even mentioned it in any correspondence.  I would think that a casino would inquire about any problem or bug.  I guess if they are winning what would be the point.

Message this guy directly for the bug, he is the admin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=151862

my request for proof of cold storage bankroll.

They have replied to your request already, they will not be showing proof of their cold storage

Showing a cold wallet address doesn't mean anything as the shady operator can still choose not to payout. We have been around for 1+ years (closer to 2 years) and never have any unresolved withdrawal issues. Our reputation speaks louder than anything.

Really appreciate you answering in this thread (and your previous reply on clarifying provably fair).  Smiley
527  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM 2.0 • New Design • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • Max Bet Doubled! on: August 20, 2015, 04:39:49 PM
We just finished a long round and played it pretty much by the standard BJ "rules".  We have asked CoinRoyale to forward the hands played just for this game.  The game tonight was hundreds of hands long and is one that would be difficult to explain.  We estimated that about 40% of the dealers hands were 20 after the first 4 cards were dealt.  Incredibly high for a long game but I do not want to spread false info and will update it when we get those hands forwarded to us.

The raw data that was forwarded is in a format that requires me to play out the hands - (gives the shuffled deck and cards taken) and does not show the results of the game, it is painstaking to perform the analysis. It is around 12,000 hands.  If anyone wants to help out and knows how to write a script that would calculate the game results it would be extremely helpful.

The edge that my friend has is probably fairly small but is completely neutralized by the incredible hands the dealer seems to get, at least that is what I have witnessed the few times we have played together.

Interestingly, CoinRoyale has not asked my friend about the bug nor even mentioned it in any correspondence.  I would think that a casino would inquire about any problem or bug.  I guess if they are winning what would be the point.

Sorry I just saw this. Our team (including myself) are busy working on something big and couldn't spend as much time on the forum as we like.

Anyway, we did receive your friend's request for the games and he should have it by tomorrow. We're always willing to send players their historical games and even encourage them to post it on the forum so everyone can see it.

Regarding the reported bug, I passed it to our team and they dismissed it as purely coincidental (confirmation bias). Basically this is what's been reported:

1) Dealer has card A and card B
2) Player has card C and card D
3) The next card for dealer has to be card E!

Our cards are randomly shuffle (and have a similar shuffling system for all card games like Baccarat, Video Poker) with the outcome directly control by the player with the player seed he's able to enter. Everything can be easily proven after the game with all the information we've provided: https://coinroyale.com/provablyfair
We made the page easy to understand and more than happy to walk you through step by step to verify the result and explain how it works (it's a beautiful system).
528  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 20, 2015, 03:03:08 AM
2 @ 3
529  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 17, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
2 @ 2.7
530  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 16, 2015, 04:01:54 PM
3 @ 2.2

Correcting my bid: 3 @ 2.3
531  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 16, 2015, 04:01:25 PM
3 @ 2.2
532  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 16, 2015, 09:44:14 AM
3 @ 2.1
533  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 15, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
4 @ 1.9
534  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 14, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
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535  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 14, 2015, 08:08:00 AM
Hi, I am dropping out of this campaign.  I dont have enough time at the moment to do a good job posting, so I think it is better to drop out than make a lot of crap posts.

Thanks for letting me in, this has been a great campaign!

Appreciate the heads up.
536  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 14, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
Oops. Correcting my bid:

4 @ 1.6
537  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 14, 2015, 08:03:58 AM
4 @ 1.55
538  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 07, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
All payment made. If you didn't receive your payment, please make sure your postings met the requirements: Min 20 constructive posts per week, at least half of it have to be in the Gambling section (not including Games & Rounds).

If you met the requirement and still haven't get paid, feel free to PM me.
539  Economy / Services / Re: CoinRoyale Sig Campaign *Earn 0.04 BTC/week promoting the best Bitcoin Casino! on: August 07, 2015, 10:46:35 AM
Payout in progress~
540  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 155 on: August 07, 2015, 10:45:39 AM
5 @ 1
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