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521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Losers on: April 11, 2013, 07:25:27 PM
I grabbed a bunch on virtex in the 80s...
522  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will you do when Mt.Gox opens? on: April 11, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
So, what are you going to do?
Same thing I'm doing now... Keep using Bitcoin and learning about it, and exchanging outside of MtGox. Seriously. This whole story is ways overblown.
523  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2011 survivors club on: April 11, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
I was there ways before. The whole narrative is overblown. The price goes up, the price goes down... what's the big deal? What matters to me is that Bitcoin is growing, as more and more people find it useful for whatever purpose. Speculation, store of value, international transfers, tax avoidance, consumer tracking, financial audits, micropayments, macropayments, gambling, contracts, whatever. We should not focus on price fluctuations too much while forgetting to think about and work on the utility of Bitcoin.
524  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: All exchanges should halt trading on: April 11, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
for at least 24h or 48 ours


I am assuming you say this because the price has halved over few days. Why didn't you say anything when the price doubled over few days?
525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You are all dumb and got warned this would happen. on: April 11, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
Seriously, for a long long time people have been saying "bitcoin is a bubble bought on by the greed of idiots" and now after the second major price crash caused by exactly this people might realise this. Deflationary currencies like gold and silver (and bitcoin!) do not work for this very reason. There is a reason that most government issued currency has an inflation rate and it is specifically to stop people just collecting a ton of it and hoarding it and waiting for it to go up in value and thus encourage people to actually use their money or invest it.

Bitcoins are fundamentally flawed for this reason. Why should anyone spend now what will be worth more tomorrow? Why should anyone invest in anything or buy anything when tomorrow you could buy twice as much?
You are contradicting yourself. Are bitcoins or gold always going to be worth more tomorrow, or did the price of btc just go down?
526  Economy / Economics / Re: MTGOX Martket Cooldown? on: April 11, 2013, 05:58:38 PM
i don't know law in your country, but in my country stock excha, when panic sell, like btc right now, stock excha can temp shutdown to cooldown heat
How about panic buying? If price drops suddenly, everyone is screaming and exchanges are shutting down to "cool off" - but no intention of intervening when the price surges up?!
527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Fundamental analysis thread on: April 11, 2013, 02:05:35 PM
How about we change the rules so only actions that actually happened or are ongoing are considered fundamentals, instead of announcements about supposed future actions?
528  Economy / Securities / Re: [BAKEWELL] Action Proposal - Call for Volunteers on: April 11, 2013, 06:13:15 AM
I am the guy who met Ian in person in September 2012, after seeing his BAKEWELL anouncement. At the time all my funds were tied up, so this meetup was mostly an attempt to make sure he is for real - and yes, he was the person from the images he posted.

Few weeks later I did manage to come up with 30 coins, and decided to buy in.

GLBSE collapsed. Ian kept hashing with the two rigs.

He then abruptly anounced how we should "consider BAKEWELL a loss".  I did not like the sound of it. He also did not respond to my PMs, emails, and telephone contacts. I did not like that either. While I was too apologetic when he finally acknowledged the previous receipt of GLBSE data, I was left with the bad taste which only grew worse over days.

At some point, Ian voted with growth and maintenance shares, and stubbornly defended the idiocy of doing so. That's where I had enough. As a matter of principle, I try not to do business with people I dislike, even if it is or may be profitable. I sold all my shares - at approximately a 50% loss - and quit wasting time on Ian. In retrospect, it was one good decision I made.

As I have no more direct interest in this matter, I am simply writing to share my unqualified opinion about actions of shareholders and lenders whose assets Ian ran away with. There is no company to go after. There is only Ian, and his written (and archived, thanks to Theymos) commitments. What he seems to be doing is an indictable offence in Canada. I agree with repentance here. This is a criminal matter, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Finally, in case Ian reads this - I urge him to carefully reconsider the direction he took. There still is a little bit of time left for a U-turn.
529  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 10, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
I don't even care about today's price trends - I only pay attention to weekly average. I'll decide in a week or two if this was an irrelevant moment of mass hysteria, manipulation, concrete correction, or the beginning of downtrend. Whatever the case may be, fundamentals still seem reasonably solid. Price doubling every few days is not healthy anyway, so I will be glad if we slowed down to allow for the growth and maturing of the infrastructure and legal framework. All is well. I am happy, especially because I snatched a few more coins from panic sellers today. In the long term, I see no reason for Bitcoin to not keep growing. It works, and it is a useful technology. The risks are presently minimal, mostly related to the open-ended questions of mining economics.
530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let me guess, they will blame this correction on a DDoS...... on: April 10, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
I don't care; my limit orders were waiting for this, and I am now a happy owner of few more coins bought cheaply.
531  Economy / Economics / Re: this is a bubble. on: April 09, 2013, 10:39:51 PM
Kokjo, I hope you don't have a heart condition.

FF
This is amazing!
i dont. but im already up over 2000%, and i don't want to ride it to 10000% and it means i have to take the risk to go back to 150%...

im out.

just remember to save (not cash in) at least 10% of your coins when you get out.


Listen to the wise words, kokjo! Sell the fraction proportional to the perceived risk of severe bubble burst.
532  Economy / Economics / Re: this is a bubble. on: April 09, 2013, 07:53:27 PM
There have been many bubbles already:

533  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What could cause a paper wallet to become invalid? on: April 09, 2013, 07:36:30 PM
Just a thought: we don't know how Bitcoin will evolve in terms of block size, mining fees, and off-chain transactions. It seems likely that, if this experiment succeeds even more, most transactions will be performed off-chain, and "banks" and payment processors will use blockchain for occasional reconciliation of accounts. Proposals are already out there. If things unfold that way, blockchain transaction fees may be significant, to the point of rendering smaller savings from today uneconomical to spend.
If, on the other hand, developers manage to address scalability challenges (assuming they are willing to, which may not be the case for those who are also working on off-chain overlays), we might be able to use blockchain just fine.
534  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What could cause a paper wallet to become invalid? on: April 09, 2013, 07:23:08 PM
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I'd be far more concerned about deterioration or damage of the paper or ink during that time than I would about "something happening to the Bitcoin protocol itself that would invalidate the balance or make it unrecoverable".

100% agreed. I think water damage is the biggest threat to a paper wallet. I've been doing some experiments to see what I can do to mitigate how water -- even just minuscule drops of condensation from a cold bottle of beer -- can turn an inkjet-printed wallet into squid-ink soup. Inkjet prints are alarmingly delicate.

The reason I'm trying to make sure I understand the technical hazards of paper wallets is so that I can give good all-around recommendations to people printing wallets: from water-proofing to technical to common sense advice.

Has anyone tried spraying the paper after printing with acrylic or lacquer to protect it from water?
I know museums and galleries coat photographs (silver or platinum/palladium prints on paper) with some sort of spray.

535  Economy / Speculation / Re: How long does it take for bitcoin value to double?? on: April 09, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
I think it's more simple: we are experiencing the effect of freely available fiat (banksters coming to play) being used to purchase a hard asset (btc). Due to stupid regulations, they can't just make up funny money and walk away home with it - they have to lend it / invest it, then take profits to walk away with. Bitcoin is a perfect vehicle.
536  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Criticize my tamper-proof paper wallet design... and steal 0.1 BTC if you can. on: April 09, 2013, 07:18:02 AM
Okay here is a flaw in your design. You trust your printer to print your keys and not report back to mallory.
Can you point to any documented examples of similar exploits? I am thinking about home inkjet or laser printers, not the enterprise copier/printer/fax/scanner networked machines.

Speaking of home printing, everyone should know that many home printers include steganographic serial number in the printout, but that is irrelevant for the tamper-proofness of he design.

537  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Criticize my tamper-proof paper wallet design... and steal 0.1 BTC if you can. on: April 09, 2013, 04:32:53 AM
Danger Will Robinson!

The instructions on the back talk about sending part of the balance. Doing this presents a very  real chance of losing coins. The user must explicitly send the tx change back to the note's address (theone on the front)    . Otherwise the change is lost to an unknown  public key.       

       

Yes, you can only spend the entire balance associated with a private key. The difference between this and the actual payment is so-called "change" sent to another address (presumably the one that the client controls). Most wallets/clients do not make this apparent to the user - you only see your total balance. By the way: if you are concerned with privacy, you should not send round numbers as payments. Otherwise it is clear which one is the payment, and which one is the change (associated with the new address that now we know you control).

On the related (wording) note  - the exposed qr code is the public address, not public key. To avoid confusion down the line, it is wise to be strict about this distinction.
538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stuff You Can Buy with Bitcoin on Craigslist on: April 09, 2013, 04:13:23 AM
I sold a few things back in the days (2011,2012), always listed as "cash or bitcoin" - nobody ever commented or asked about btc. I'm sure this is about to change. I'll keep offering btc as an option whenever I'm selling, of course.
539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An insider's opinion on the crazy Bitcoin market on: April 09, 2013, 04:08:16 AM
I did read the story before posting. I still call bullshit. Half-baked. Their Website clearly states they accept MasterCard, e-check, and debit. There is no bitcoin. Why not? Why the manual setup? Why not even the mention of it on the payment page? It is hard to take this seriously.
Don't hate me for being this harsh. Bitcoin deserves better than half-baked PR statements and "contact the manager for manual processing". If and when their payment page actually includes bitcoin, I'll be happy to change my attitude and welcome the effort. The same goes to gogreensolar and the likes.

Are you sure? Because you clearly didn't even read my post, in which I posted a link to a property management company with a page that does accept bitcoin payment online, and made sure to point it out.



I was talking about the NYC company, you are talking about Memphis company.
540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An insider's opinion on the crazy Bitcoin market on: April 09, 2013, 04:02:08 AM
Speaking of places you can spend it, rent seems like a fairly big deal. Rent in NYC seems like a HUGE deal...closely following AE Property Management in Memphis's announcement last week, an NYC company is now accepting Bitcoin: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10608334.htm

If things like this keep popping up, I won't be worried about the price going to 0, ever.

There is something else to be worried about, though: false PR statements as part of pump'n'dump scheme. Many businesses are claimed to be "accepting Bitcoin" - but when I go to their Web site, there is no mention of Bitcoin whatsoever. Case in point: The NYC company you mentioned does not accept bitcoins. See their payment page, https://www.mysmartstreet.com/payment.aspx
It only accepts bitcoins in the prweb story. What I think is happening all to often is that wealthy owners or executives of companies get personally invested in BTC, then use their companies to drive confidence up by false announcements (or at least announcements that they themselves don't take seriously).

I am a huge bitcoin enthusiast, but I am tired of hype and false-flag bullshit.

I'd appreciate it if you would actually read the story before you call it "hype" and "bullshit" - their press release clearly says that current tenants need to contact them and manually set up a Bitcoin payment. And I KNOW this one isn't false: https://www.aepropertymanage.com/ - they announced last week and their announcement is on the front page. I talked to them, they already have the payment button hooked to Coinbase. Any of their current tenants can pay their rent immediately with BTC through the webpage.


I did read the story before posting. I still call bullshit. Half-baked. Their Website clearly states they accept MasterCard, e-check, and debit. There is no bitcoin. Why not? Why the manual setup? Why not even the mention of it on the payment page? It is hard to take this seriously.
Don't hate me for being this harsh. Bitcoin deserves better than half-baked PR statements and "contact the manager for manual processing". If and when their payment page actually includes bitcoin, I'll be happy to change my attitude and welcome the effort. The same goes to gogreensolar and the likes.
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