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521  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am New Here and Need Help, Please. on: April 10, 2020, 04:30:08 PM
Welcome to the forum. You have joined on this forum with decent intentions, hope you will learn from here and contribute yourself for forum. There is two board where you will find most of technical questions about bitcoin and on the other hand there is technical discussion by experienced forum users.

1. Development & Technical Discussion
2. Bitcoin Technical Support

Also another board called Project Development could help you to know about more blockchain related project/website.

Also I will prefer to read more about this forum culture. You should know everything where you are spending time. This thread will help you to know most of important things about forum.

[GUIDES] on Bitcointalk. Index thread

Thanks for the warm welcome.
I'm currently devouring some articles and also reading the bitcoin whitepaper.
I do have a question for you. Aside from this beginner/help section which other section of the forum can I post and ask questions?

Thanks once more
522  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The Moore's Law vs Computational Power on: April 10, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
Quote from: Satoshi
"A block header with no transactions would be about 80 bytes. If we suppose blocks are
generated every 10 minutes, 80 bytes * 6 * 24 * 365 = 4.2MB per year. With computer systems
typically selling with 2GB of RAM as of 2008, and Moore's Law predicting current growth of 1.2GB per year, storage should not be a problem even if the block headers must be kept in
memory."
what I'm really concerned about is the relationship between the computational power of computer miner used in their mining operations the Moore's law prediction which was quoted by Satoshi Nakamoto White paper. -snip-
The quoted part of the whitepaper doesn't have a direct relation to Bitcoin mining.
He had mentioned about the typical computer's RAM (Random Access Memory) growth per year according to Moore's Law as the reason why to keep the block headers in the memory.

Relating it (by context) to mining doesn't make sense  Huh

Thanks for the comment and correction.

But I thought Satoshi was attempting to show that the storage power of computer was very low as at 2008 that with Moore's law the storage power of computer will increase which will enhance the storage of bitcoin.

Kindly, tell me if this explanation is correct.
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The first BTC ATM in Nigeria on: April 10, 2020, 07:12:16 AM
African giant Nigeria has set up it's first Bitcoin automated teller machine in the country, citizens of Nigeria are famous for bitcoin trading and investment and they are top in that aspect in Africa. Though this is not the first BTC ATM in the continent(Africa)as countries like South Africa, Kenya, Ghana Botswana, Uganda, Djibouti and Zimbabwe all have bitcoin ATM's in their countries. Many parts of Africa still remains underdeveloped, due to bad government, but bitcoin and cryptocurrencies can help alleviate the condition and state of things over there for the individuals taking the opportunity.
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A Bitcoin startup in Nigeria, Blockstale BTM, has installed the very first Bitcoin Automated Teller Machine in Nigeria.
According to the startup, the ATM was installed at Dazey Lounge and Bar in Lagos and the company is planning to install at least 30 BTC ATMs across the nation.
Source of information: https://investorsking.com/blockstale-btm-installs-bitcoin-atm-in-nigeria/

If developing economies like Ghana, Botswana, Nigeria , Kenya could see the future of the block chain technology and its evolution that means alot to the cryptocurrency industry.

The adoption of cryptocurrency by these countries will lead to new set of job creations and development of new skill sets.
This will in the long run affect the price and value of bitcoin positively because more people will start using the coin for payment purpose.

That's a good news to the cryptocurrency network.
524  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The Moore's Law vs Computational Power on: April 10, 2020, 07:02:33 AM

Thanks for the input.
But, what I'm really concerned about is the relationship between the computational power of computer miner used in their mining operations and the Moore's law prediction which was quoted by Satoshi Nakamoto White paper.

Was the prediction now validated?
525  Other / Beginners & Help / The Moore's Law vs Computational Power on: April 10, 2020, 05:23:01 AM
"A block header with no transactions would be about 80 bytes. If we suppose blocks are
generated every 10 minutes, 80 bytes * 6 * 24 * 365 = 4.2MB per year. With computer systems
typically selling with 2GB of RAM as of 2008, and Moore's Law predicting current growth of 1.2GB per year, storage should not be a problem even if the block headers must be kept in
memory."

Satoshi Nakamoto's 2008 whitepaper.

The Moore's law states that processor speeds, or overall processing power for computers will double every two years. 

Since the whitepaper was published and made public  in 2008 how has the computational power prediction by Satoshi Nakamoto been practically validated by the Moore's law.

Pls, can I know the trend so far of the computational power of computer and the storage of bitcoin by miners. How is the growth of the two from 2008 to 2020?

 I need more lights to be shared on this.

Thanks.
526  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am New Here and Need Help, Please. on: April 09, 2020, 03:38:30 PM
Understanding how the forum works by learning it's rules and features. Searching is another way to help you understand more about bitcoin and then later on you can use your skills to pursue the career you want. Everything must start from scratch or starting from basic before you continue further.

Thank you for your candid advice.
I've already started with the basics. I found some textual course I'll be going through.

Do we have bitcoin podcast I can also listen to that'll speed up my learning rate?



Understanding how the forum works by learning it's rules and features. Searching is another way to help you understand more about bitcoin and then later on you can use your skills to pursue the career you want. Everything must start from scratch or starting from basic before you continue further.

Thanks for your contributions.
I'm a avid lover of podcast. Are there bitcoin podcasts or crypto podcast that I can be exploring?

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527  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin' Escrow System And the Bank System on: April 09, 2020, 02:15:52 PM
Because, in my own opinion an automated system should always be better than the human system.

What do you think?
Building a completely automated system to supervise transactions would be very tricky, imo.
Take for example; I want to purchase a camera from someone in another country and pay in Bitcoin. I send my BTC and it's held in escrow till I get the good delivered to me. Now, I can refuse to acknowledge that I received the goods even though I did, and this can delay the transaction. But when dealing with a human, the seller can prove (using documents) that the good was indeed sent and has been delivered and the escrow service provider can act on his own judgement.

I'm not a tech specialist, but a machine which would be able to correctly handle all types of transactions independently would be fairly difficult to develop.

The system is not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.
We should also note that escrow is not a prerequisite in every Bitcoin transaction. While a fiat transfer can not be done without a bank being involved.

Well explained, thanks.

When it comes to the escrow system in the financial industry does the Fintech like PayPal and traditional banks operates with the same escrow system or Fintech has a way of doing this that distinguish theirs from the traditional banks.

528  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin' Escrow System And the Bank System on: April 09, 2020, 01:40:03 PM
1. Banking system acts as an intermediary between the parties of financial transaction same is the escrow system, it is an intermediary between the sender and receiver of a bitcoin.
The two work in similar way.

2. If the purpose of the escrow system is to protect and guarantee the safety of the transactions between buyer and seller of a cryptocurrency then while is it not a foundational part of the cryptocurrency network. I see the protection of such transaction to be very critical.

Pls, can we justify these two issues?

To be honest, I don't think the whitepaper specifically addressed this issue and the focus of the paper is more on the creation of sound money which is not controlled by a third party (a.k.a fiat). This is where the foundation comes in. Bitcoin is a decentralized sound money, not a new escrow system. So, blindly saying that bitcoin is just the same with banks just by looking from one aspect is not right imo. A simple example, with banks they can hold your money and decide not to pay you if they found you're somewhat guilty by their own standards, while in bitcoin a transaction as long as it got confirmed then there's a high chance it will end on the receiver address.

Even if we compare bitcoin and bank case in terms of escrow, there are some differences. First, you can use multi-sig with as many people as you wish as the escrow. Of course, this has weaknesses too but that means you don't have to trust someone else completely, unlike a bank.

As for your second question, yes it is important, but I think the point satoshi making on his post is:
1. With irreversible transactions, the seller would be protected from scam such as double-spending, cancellation etc.
2. For the buyer, we can design another escrow system that uses bitcoin/cryptocurrency as the money (and this is done via several ways, multi-sig, trusted user on this forum for example, etc).

Because, in my own opinion an automated system should always be better than the human system.

You can't completely trust anything. Even if there's a godlike code that can act as your escrow, those are just codes. Sometimes it's buggy but works, sometimes it broke completely. CMIIW.

Wow, this is a sound clarification.
With an escrow the financial transaction is guaranteed but doesn't act like the banking system.
What I can see in the escrow system is that its built on trust, that such system will honestly keep your coin and be given to the owner after verification.

Don't you think a better solution can be developed to handle this market friction that escrow system try to solve?
529  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin' Escrow System And the Bank System on: April 09, 2020, 09:12:55 AM
1. How does the escrow system different from the the trust system of the traditional banking system and the Fintech business model.
The escrow is system is different from the trust system of the banking sector in that the bitcoin network or mode of transactions isn't built on the basis of a third party intervening in transactions to ensure it goes smoothly, that's exactly how the banking system works, but the bitcoin network allows transactions between two parties without any trusted third party, but in order to ensure the safety of the buyer, so that when he sends to the seller, the seller doesn't refuse to send the coins, then the need for an escrow who would hold the funds/take part in the transaction till the sender sends the coins. So the escrow system is just a form of protection from theft or fraud, transactions can even take place on the bitcoin network without an escrow, but in the traditional system there must be a trusted third party in the transaction, that's the difference.
2. Does the escrow system not against the foundational principle of bitcoin  which is to have an electronic currency without a payment system third party ?
Just as i said above, the escrow system doesn't go against "satoshi's" principles because it is not a compulsory factor in transactions, the escrow simply takes part in the transaction, like a part of a multi signature wallet, to make sure funds are sent by the buyer and coins sent by the seller, they assure safety and protection.

Thanks for taking time to explain the difference. Sure, its a bit clear but see these.
1. Banking system acts as an intermediary between the parties of financial transaction same is the escrow system, it is an intermediary between the sender and receiver of a bitcoin.
The two work in similar way.

2. If the purpose of the escrow system is to protect and guarantee the safety of the transactions between buyer and seller of a cryptocurrency then while is it not a foundational part of the cryptocurrency network. I see the protection of such transaction to be very critical.

Pls, can we justify these two issues?



Escrow is a difficult problem to solve. I’m not sure anyone has ever gotten it right. Surely an automated solution of any kind will have flaws as will a human being acting as a middleman. However, I still believe a trusted individual is far superior than any automated system, at least with low volumes.

Great addition to the discussion.
If the automated escrow system have flaws than the human escrow then escrow technological development should be considered keenly and improved.
Because, in my own opinion an automated system should always be better than the human system.

What do you think?

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530  Other / Beginners & Help / Bitcoin' Escrow System And the Bank System on: April 09, 2020, 07:39:25 AM
"over a communications channel without a trusted party.
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party. Transactions that are computationally impractical to reverse would protect sellers
from fraud, and routine escrow mechanisms could easily be implemented to protect buyers."

The bitcoin 2008 whitepaper by Satoshi Nakamoto.

I have come to understand that the escrow system acts like a trusted third party in every financial transaction where  it's operational.

I need more insights on tje following points:

1. How does the escrow system different from the the trust system of the traditional banking system and the Fintech business model.

2. Does the escrow system not against the foundational principle of bitcoin  which is to have an electronic currency without a payment system third party ?

Pls, i need your contributions about this. Thanks.
531  Economy / Economics / Re: Cutting of Salaries in Indian Companies - Failed Future? on: April 08, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
I sense economic downtown due to this development in India.
A 45% slash of the salary of an employee is almost a decline of half of the salary.
Economic variables are in tandem , that is, they move in same direction. Food prices will experience an increase while the disposable income is decreased causing an inflation of almost every product.

The way out is to think outside the box. Employees  can plan learning new skills that'll help them to complement their income level.
 
532  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am New Here and Need Help, Please. on: April 08, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
What are the most important things to consider before pursuing a career in blockchain and cryptography development industry?


Welcome to the forum. I joined for the same reasons about 2years and a half ago.

I suggest that you begin with the free book Mastering Bitcoin, by Andreas Antonopoulos.

You can read it for free at github.

https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook

Thanks so much for your invaluable guide.

But I need a clarification from you.
I have also been instructed and advised to take some online courses on the same subject.

Between books and courses which should I focus more on?
533  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
How then do we recognise the two and be able to distinguish whale's price movement from genuine price trend in the market?

This can be difficult. But if a coin's price is moving differently to the rest of the crypto market, and the movement is very sudden, and there is no clear reason why it should be moving, then that means you might need to investigate further. Also if the price fluctuation is limited to a single exchange, that can be another clue.

Wow, what a great analysis.
The movement of whale price fluctuations seems artificial and uncommon from the rest of the market.

Its synonymous to inflation caused by artificial scarcity or hoarding.

I'm learning a lot. Thanks
534  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 01:17:35 PM
Wow! This is a great analysis.

The temporal hike in price of the bitcoin is created by whales in order to make huge profit.
What if the price falls instead of rising for them to make profit?

Can there be a situation were instead of the price of bitcoin to rise it then decline leading to the whales' loss?

'Whales' can of course do the reverse, and sell huge amounts of a coin to reduce the price, and then buy up more at a big discount. They can manipulate the price up or down to make money.

The only ways a whale can lose really are a) another whale manipulates the market in the opposite direction at the same time, or b) there is a genuine price movement in the opposite direction at the same time, say from breaking news (good or bad).

We do need to be careful about ascribing all sudden price movements to whales, when we don't know how often it is genuine whale activity, and how often normal market movement. Also a 'whale' is not necessarily an individual - there are pump-and-dump groups set up for the purpose of market manipulation. Remember also that big coins such as bitcoin are much harder to manipulate as they have much bigger order books.

Thanks once again for further clarification.
I'm now cleared about movement in price. It can be caused by either whales' activities or genuine market trends.

How then do we recognise the two and be able to distinguish whale's price movement from genuine price trend in the market?
535  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am New Here and Need Help, Please. on: April 08, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Welcome to this community op. Just try to explore this community and acquire some knowledge. Can you please elaborate on what kind of career you are asking?

Thank you.
My career focus is to be focused on acquiring technical knowledge of bitcoin. This will help me to position myself as a knowledgeable cryptocurrency copywriter.
Secondly, I want to become a trader that really knows what he is doing.

Hope this will clarify my post?



Crypto and Blockchain technology is very vast. It is good to start with the Basics first which gives you the foundation to understand other projects. Also, you need to build your technical skills through some online education platforms that offer courses. I am sharing some articles which may help you in your study -





Thanks for your guide. I'll go through the materials you highlighted in your reply.
536  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 08:20:25 AM
Your contribution is analytical enough. When the fixed supply of bitcoin is achieved, miners will be rewarded by fee and no longer bitcoin.
The fees that are rewarded to miners are still bitcoin. Remember that we pay transaction fees with bitcoin too.

I can now see that the whales can cause fluctuations in the market price of bitcoin by pumping and dumping.
Sure. But it's pretty much the same with most if not all markets. If I personally own 10% total ownership of a certain stock, I could surely manipulate it to some extent. It's just that the stock markets are heavily regulated, in contrast to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies whereas it's pretty much free markets.

Your contribution is analytical enough. When the fixed supply of bitcoin is achieved, miners will be rewarded by fee and no longer bitcoin.
The fees that are rewarded to miners are still bitcoin. Remember that we pay transaction fees with bitcoin too.

I can now see that the whales can cause fluctuations in the market price of bitcoin by pumping and dumping.
Sure. But it's pretty much the same with most if not all markets. If I personally own 10% total ownership of a certain stock, I could surely manipulate it to some extent. It's just that the stock markets are heavily regulated, in contrast to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies whereas it's pretty much free markets.

Thanks for the addition .
I now see why the whales have the capacity to influence the price of the market because the market for Bitcoin is free which runs on the forces of demand and supply of bitcoin.



Surely, this will cause a disincentive to miners in the longrun.

you have to keep in mind that this "long run" is a little short of a hundred years from now. it is not like it would be any problem within our lifetime. and who knows how things are going to be like by then, with a bigger capacity in year 2100 each block could have enough transaction with a tiny fee to end up paying miners the same amount of money they are earning today with 12.5 bitcoin reward per block.

Thanks, the long run is really long if it is 2100 when the final bitcoin will be mined.
That means in the short run the miners will make huge profit mining.

This will also affect investors being that some investors invest to make money in the long-run, that is both capital gain and dividend.

So, what do you think will be the investors' reaction to mining companies?

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537  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 08:11:02 AM
1.Halving:
Its a concept that means that the bitcoin supply will be fixed in circulation thereby reducing the total number of  bitcoin of miners by half in every five years.
It's not every five years, it's four years. Halving happen once in a four year and will be continue till the last BTC. In other words, halving happens every 210000 blocks.
It's not like that halving will not have any negative affect. If the price continues to fall below than 5000, after this halving, more miners will give up mining. However, when price will go high, more miner will again join the network. So, the affects you are talking about are kind of increasing/decreasing chart.


Thanks for the correction and more insights.
Rewarding miners with bitcoin for their computational effort of mining and rewarding them with mining fee when the finite limit is reached have big difference in my opinion.

Surely, this will cause a disincentive to miners in the longrun.
538  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 08:04:29 AM
2. Volatility and Whale:
Volatility and whale are concepts that look correlated. The activities of whales can create trends that'll affect the market price of bitcoin.

My question is how does volatility and whale actually correlate to cause fluctuations in the market?

This is all caused by low trading volumes and thin order books. The smaller the amount of coins in existing buy and sell orders, the easier it is for someone with a lot of coins to manipulate the price.
Say a coin has the following sell orders: 10 coins at $2, 50 coins at $3, 40 coins at $4, 800 coins at $5.
This means that with $20 you can buy all of the '$2' coins, with another $150 you can buy all of the '$3' coins, with another $160 you can buy all of the '$4' coins. So if you spend 20+150+160=$330, then you can single-handedly pump the 'price' of the coin from $2 to $5.
There's then a good chance that people will see the price rising, and decide this is a good coin to buy, and so everyone will start buying, increasing the price further. But only you, the 'whale' know the real reason the price increased. So now coins are trading for maybe $7, you can sell all or some of your coins for say a 'bargain' price of $5, and make a huge profit.

That's it in essence. If there is not much volume, it is easy for someone rich to manipulate the market. In practice this means that low cap alts are prone to pump-and-dump schemes such as the above, whereas something like bitcoin that has higher volumes is more difficult to manipulate - because it costs more to do so.

Wow! This is a great analysis.

The temporal hike in price of the bitcoin is created by whales in order to make huge profit.
What if the price falls instead of rising for them to make profit?

Can there be a situation were instead of the price of bitcoin to rise it then decline leading to the whales' loss?
539  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 06:47:11 AM
--snip--
The question is this:
How does this concept of halving work to achieve the goal of a fixed Bitcoin supply by 2140 without creating negative effects for the miners in the network?

The fixed supply is simple, more info can be found here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply
On that page, look at the table in section "Projected Bitcoins Long Term" and you'll see how a fixed supply is created by the halvings.

As for negative effects: it is hoped that by the time the block reward is close to 0, miners will mine for the sum of the fees of the transactions in the block they solve. It's possible some miners won't be able to mine profitably and turn their ASIC's off... It's possible the diff will drop... We'll see

--snip--
My question is how does volatility and whale actually correlate to cause fluctuations in the market?

--snip--

Not really my area of expertise. But a whale is somebody with enough cashflow to disrupt the unregulated market. Basically pump a coin by buying a lot of it, pump the price upwards, then dump their bag while the price is high.
Can't really give you more info about this subject tough... I'm not a trader

Your contribution is analytical enough. When the fixed supply of bitcoin is achieved, miners will be rewarded by fee and no longer bitcoin.

I can now see that the whales can cause fluctuations in the market price of bitcoin by pumping and dumping.
540  Other / Beginners & Help / Analysis of Some Bitcoin Concepts on: April 08, 2020, 06:14:26 AM
I have been going through some of the important terminologies and concepts of Cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. I have found some terms to be have some correction which affect the way the market operates.

I want your inputs on the following concepts.

1.Halving:
Its a concept that means that the bitcoin supply will be fixed in circulation thereby reducing the total number of  bitcoin of miners by half in every five years.
 
According to Bitcoin white paper, by 2140 the total Bitcoin Supply will be fixed at a finite number of 21million in circulation.

The question is this:
How does this concept of halving work to achieve the goal of a fixed Bitcoin supply by 2140 without creating negative effects for the miners in the network?

2. Volatility and Whale:
Volatility and whale are concepts that look correlated. The activities of whales can create trends that'll affect the market price of bitcoin.

My question is how does volatility and whale actually correlate to cause fluctuations in the market?

Your contributions will be very helpful because I love to study meditatively and analytically.
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