Smooth and Gmaxell the CN does have encryption because only the receiver can decrypt who the coin was spent to.  That is essentially what I meant by arguably. But cracking that "encryption" wouldn't allow you to steal wallets so even that usage doesn't allow for a consistent interpretation of the quote. He said the encryption is not the broken part. Hehe, we are playing word games. Hey you started it. Hehe. No problem. |
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Thus it seems you are betting that BCX is lying. What caused you to place the odds higher that he is lying than not? It is very suspicious that he won't commit to reveal what he knows later if the exploit hasn't been sold and used by such a date in the future.
...This is a multi-faceted issue. The admittedly quite clever campaign that used the fake pro-Monero trolls may have influenced BCX's initial reaction. Now we are already in a point where everyone actually involved wants to move on, and only the consumers of sensation media still want to dig deeper. I agree, it appears BCX may have gotten suckered into something and wasn't prepared to take a hunch all the way to implementation. And now they managed to suck me in too and want to see if my wild hunch has any merit. P.S. Hope you noticed I have called the decline in the BTC correct twice now when you vehemently disagreed with me. Both times falling from $500s to the $300s. I helped the people in my group get out of BTC at $485. I actually told them in the $500s because I didn't pound the table hard enough. On the larger (longer) cycle, has any one figured out how to scale CN's ring signatures to 200 million users? Yes we have. No we aren't going to tell you how. I don't even know that people want that though, which makes it a questionable focus. I'm sure you feel differently, so best of luck trying to create this mass scale consumer-driven solution you seem to envision (and I mean that sincerely -- I hope you succeed). Honestly most are pretty happy with credit cards (would be better with a bit stronger security but that is an implementation detail), Apple Pay, Paypal, etc. Decentralization is interesting and has compelling advantages, but getting ordinary people to actually care about that difference seems an uphill battle, and the natural market for this technology seems elsewhere. You won't get the developed world to take an interest as a currency, rather only as an investment. The developing world doesn't have credit cards. They also are interested in $5 a day in extra income. Did you know filipinos spend more feeding their pigs than they sell for thus no profit? Yet they still raise pigs. Why? Because it is a savings account. |
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James I will sleep first. If anyone can beat me to it, go ahead. Again nothing may come of my hunch. Smooth and Gmaxell the CN does have encryption because only the receiver can decrypt who the coin was spent to. Perhaps you forgot it is not just a digital signature as in Buttcoin. https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf#page=7First, the sender performs a Diffie-Hellman exchange to get a shared secret from his data and
half of the recipient’s address. Then he computes a one-time destination key, using the shared
secret and the second half of the address. Two different ec-keys are required from the recipient
for these two steps, so a standard CryptoNote address is nearly twice as large as a Bitcoin wallet
address. The receiver also performs a Diffie-Hellman exchange to recover the corresponding
secret key. |
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BoolboolBooloney Invisibool Inevitabool Movabool Bibool Nobool Jumbool Viabool Usabool Boolnote Boolbill
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But how much do you bench?
Thanks! That comment literally made my week! PS: 1 rep max 155kg bench I don´t know in kg but i am able to lift 3 crates of beer from the supermarket to my car. This thread is reminding me of the tussles with my childhood friends. Well to you young studs, I am 49 and at least I can still lift my 5 kg dick. I'm 31 so I guess that makes you technically old enough to be my dad. 49 what the hell, I didn't realize old people were in crypto. ~BCX~ Don't feel too much pity on me... Seriously I can still bench 120 - 140kg and squat I don't know but in my 20s I did about 250 kg. I am 5'7" (169cm) and about 75 - 80kg. My athleticism would be much greater if I wasn't suffering from a progressive autoimmune condition (which just might be improving since I started AHCC treatment in May). Note I was an exceptional athlete most of my life though. For example I ran a sub 4:30 mile, sub 2:00 800 meters. I also ran 4.5 ish 40 meter dash, was a MVP at cornerback, etc.. I still compete with the young guys in basketball full speed. My vertical is still over 24" (just recently improved from 19"). |
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit. In the quote he is talking about encryption. In your response you are talking about anonymity. On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..." Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things? Where is the contradiction? The anonymity is expressed in the whitepaper - if anonymity has to be sacrificed then it would be because the maths / crypto in the whitepaper is wrong. I think the answer to your question in bold is no, here the anonymity and encryption are not two different things.
You think... Not good enough. Fluffpony basically ignored the questions. Can we have someone that knows what they are talking about respond please. I'd hazard that he misspoke when he said encryption, and he meant "cryptography" instead. Otherwise it makes no sense - there's a keyring flaw and we have to sacrifice anonymity, but the breakdown is not in the encryption but in the implementation thereof? Confused. Careful. Encryption could mean the one-time ring signature is not broken, rather the way it is implemented perhaps referring to having multiple intersecting ring signatures simultaneously. Afaics the whitepaper did not address the math of such an intersection. Reading between the lines it sounds like you think that BCX can actually steal wallets remotely. I wont disclose any details to anybody else, but I am curious to know if indeed this is possible. I had assumed that all the wallets are using oneway trapdoor functions that cannot be reversed.
With the cryptonote key images and multiple signers and a lot of hashing power, could it be possible to bruteforce solve a wallet's privatekey?
As I wrote upthread, it might be possible using multiple intersecting rings to use a system of simultaneous equations to find the 'x' private keys that are supposed to be hidden by the non-interactive Zero Knowledge Proof. However, I didn't work through the math to see if my hunch is true. However by that time, the coins are already spent on the blockchain (unless you can intercept before), so you need the hashrate and or Time Warp Attack to backup the blockchain and double-spend them to yourself. This wouldn't be the first time I had an insight that gmaxell didn't although he has returned the favor of me a few times too. I am lazy to do the math because I don't see anyone offering me some considerable amount of money and I doubt I could use the exploit if I found it. If someone puts up a big bounty, I will investigate. I could be way off course. It is just a hunch. |
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But how much do you bench?
Thanks! That comment literally made my week! PS: 1 rep max 155kg bench I don´t know in kg but i am able to lift 3 crates of beer from the supermarket to my car. This thread is reminding me of the tussles with my childhood friends. Well to you young studs, I am 49 and at least I can still lift my 5 kg dick. |
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---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: No Apple did not fight back, they fooled you!From: AnonyMint To: "Armstrong Economics" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/09/19/adam-smith-wins-apple-fights-back/Don't you know the NSA has the ability to reprogram the microcode in the CPU and other hardware, thus it doesn't matter what Apple has promised to put in the software for iOS8. This is just another means of sucking the masses into another false sense of victory. |
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Maybe not if they can all find a way to profit on its rise. That is my hope any way. I know such vitriol would affect me emotionally. Perhaps I better just not read anything on the forum if that time ever comes.
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smooth and rpietila, this is a good experiment so we can contrast what works and doesn't. I hope you can continue with your bureaucracy. I am headed the opposite direction, which is small lone teams self-funded by tiny (insignificant) premine to reach it to the launchpad stage. Let's see what works better.
I wish I could offer a suggestion on how to alleviate the strong emotions at play. It seems some users really resent any hint of hierarchy and coaxing of investors. Perhaps it is the comments against NXT and BBR that really pushed it to the extreme. I have also made some comments that disparaged for example the PoS in NXT, the lack of true decentralization in jl777's gateway, the lack of analysis on the entropy of BBR's PoW, etc.. I guess best is to shut up about everyone else's work and focus on one's own.
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One thing I have learned from the Monero example is, "tread softly and carry a really big stick".
Action speaks louder than words.
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(but does intend to donate to development) and doesn't hold any position of authority over the project itself.
He who pays the bills, makes the rules. As much as practical I resist control in order to maximize creative freedom. That’s what you get, and that’s all you get. If that isn’t enough, take your pretensions to power that you no longer possess and ram them up the bodily orifice of your choice. when think of monero guyes on Bitcointalk
Ignore. I don't want to see that. The feelings are really excessive in this Monero pro and against battle. |
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All FUD aside, what the chart looks to me is a yet again perfect round of monthly cycle, with a very strong growing higher-lows trendline.
Guess whether we are in a buying or selling point?
The point was made somewhere that some of the FUD may be operating according to the cycle. Trying to work with the trend rather than against it. So you've adopted Martin Armstrong's science that the cycles are in control? In the middle of euphoria, such a rumor would have been just disregarded without actual proof of messing with the blockchain. Cycles may be in control, but we create the cycles, so I don't feel the need to develop an argument about this. As I am sure you know from experience T.A. is correct about 50% of the time, because there are cycles within cycles, so we never know which cycle is in control. So we need some supporting fundamental. Thus it seems you are betting that BCX is lying. What caused you to place the odds higher that he is lying than not? It is very suspicious that he won't commit to reveal what he knows later if the exploit hasn't been sold and used by such a date in the future. On the larger (longer) cycle, has any one figured out how to scale CN's ring signatures to 200 million users? Apple Pay will be there in a year or so. Paypal (cum Bitpay, Coinbase et al centralized crap) is targeting in the unbanked in the developing world (assuming Bangladesh's threat to jail crypto-currency users is an outlier). |
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All FUD aside, what the chart looks to me is a yet again perfect round of monthly cycle, with a very strong growing higher-lows trendline.
Guess whether we are in a buying or selling point?
The point was made somewhere that some of the FUD may be operating according to the cycle. Trying to work with the trend rather than against it. So you've adopted Martin Armstrong's science that the cycles are in control? |
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My vote is none of them (in their current feature sets, subject to change with any significant innovation). As you can see there are really too many of them and none of them has risen up from the others. Anonymity is apparently not the killer feature which will drive market domination, although it is a desirable feature. Remember Moldbug's rule, "There can only be one". There can only be one unit-of-account and currently the dollar is winning in spades. |
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Geez at least use a different IP when deploying sockies.
How can you see his IP? You have access to the forum logs or you are the NSA? |
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he's working with anonymint, etc
We are not. Btw, can you please reveal your identity? My real name is knowable. What is yours? Feel free to send me a private message if you prefer. |
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Globool (global digital money, very unique)
Boolb.it
Boolicio.us
Boolsh.it (if you really want to stand out, lol that will be 9 boolshits please)
Edit: Moobile or Mobile
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Sorry for the deviation from the topic and my bad English.
Does this topic not just the opposite effect.
I see that there are many people willing to buy Monero and Boolbarry than people want to sell.
BCX is buying? He said he wouldn't but he didn't say his friends wouldn't. Rpietilla is doubling-down? Messy thread. I am signing out. Can't make confirmed sense of it, unless I confirm an exploit. |
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If that is true, it will affect all CN coins. Since Boolberry just places some restrictions to the set of possible anon transactions it would not be resistant. However
2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
How it is implemented could possibly mean how rings intersect (my hunch) which would thus implicate all CN coins. He may be saying that the encryption of one ring is not breakable, but the correlation of multiple rings leads to a discovery of the 'x' private key in the NIZKP. I shouldn't be so lazy and should actually try to do the math to see if my hunch is correct. There are other probably other possibilities as well. I can't be sure my hunch is the correct one, as I haven't done the math (yet). |
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