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521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: September 08, 2015, 08:11:51 PM
lol..if a person himself wants to sucide then why the hell government or laws are interfaring in it :p thats so stupid like a person got arrested becase he talk to anyone strainger..I mean its not makes sence its his decisiin he can do whatever he wants

The government and the authorities have the responsibility to help that person by offering the necessary psychiatric counselling or medication. There can be a number of reasons for someone attempting suicide. It can be due to medical issues, bullying or blackmail, harassment, financial troubles, family failure.etc.

I wonder what would happen if a homeless man attempted to commit suicide.  Normally very few people give a shit about homeless people, and pass by them while their starving looking in the opposite direction.  When the dude starves to death, still no one gives a shit.  But when someone willingly takes their own life, it's a tragedy.
522  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: September 08, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
I always imagined of a government that would use Bitcoin as its main (national) currency. Do you think that would be possible. I mean just think about it when you can buy and sell anything in any store in the country using Bitcoins. That would be so sweet  Cheesy

I'd say the chance of that happening is very low to zero.  The value of bitcoin is still very volatile, and the country would need to give up all monetary policy, so they wouldn't have the option to stimulate or contract the economy through financial manipulation.  That is a huge power that very few governments would be willing to give up.

There may come a day when you can use bitcoin in most stores, but it likely won't be the primary currency.
523  Other / Off-topic / Re: what you like best in Bitcoin ? on: September 08, 2015, 03:24:51 PM
i really like bitcoin itself and it has many factors and uses that i like but there is one thing i like best in bitcoin and that is its anonimity. i know it's not completely anonymous but compared to other payment processors, bitcoin is the best on anonimity.
although bitcoin remain anonymous has the disadvantage that you can not ask the bitcoin refund if it has been sent. therefore you should be careful

There can be a third party that can act as an intermediary for transactions, or something like an escrow service that ensures the seller completes their part of the transaction before releasing the payment.
524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: September 02, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The world will be better place if there's no guns/wars. My point of view about guns/wars is this. We use natural resources wrong way.

I would agree with you on both points.  Our allocation of resources is terrible; I don't think there's any questioning that.

So the issue with guns/war is that they already exist and are in the hands of millions of people.  Most of those people are responsible folks not looking to use guns offensively towards another person.  Some use it for defense, sport, hunting, protection from wild animals, etc.  The issue is the small % of mentally ill or violent people.  I would assume that most of them would acquire guns illegally from the black market, to the point that they bypass any safety training or testing that the rest have to go through.

If there is any possibility of acquiring a gun illegally, then the entire gun control conversation doesn't address the issue.  Right now I'd say it can be acquired without too much difficulty, and all you need is cash.


Our allocation of resources is not terrible. It is the law of Evolution. Those wanting to put more chances to have their genes move along generations went near places with resources. Salt. Most big european cities started near a salt mine. We all know this is how the roman empire was paying his soldiers. We still use that word today, with the same latin root: salary.

That is why humans move around: more resources, a better place away from wars or be killed. Never the opposite (unless isis)

 Cool



Well let's say that humanity operated collectively, and it was about innovating technology to the point where we consume resources in a sustainable manner.  I'd say we have the technology live in a sustainable way (energy production and consumption, agriculture, transportation), however we are unable to execute on it.  We are putting a lot of effort and resource towards unsustainable resource consumption, which is negatively impacting the air we need to breathe and the water we need to drink.  When collective sustainability is sacrificed for personal ambition/desire/profit, it is similar to cancer in your body.  Not to say that personal ambition and desire is meaningless, but it can also be done in a way that positively or neutrally impacts the environment around us.

We have all you can eat buffet's here, but there are others dying from starvation.  The chemical soup of Coke and Pepsi are accessible world wide, but clean drinking water isn't.  We send raw materials to China to produce a product that you can use for 10 minutes before it ends up in a landfill, where it will not decompose.  I consider that a terrible allocation of resources.
525  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: September 01, 2015, 09:19:15 PM
The world will be better place if there's no guns/wars. My point of view about guns/wars is this. We use natural resources wrong way.

I would agree with you on both points.  Our allocation of resources is terrible; I don't think there's any questioning that.

So the issue with guns/war is that they already exist and are in the hands of millions of people.  Most of those people are responsible folks not looking to use guns offensively towards another person.  Some use it for defense, sport, hunting, protection from wild animals, etc.  The issue is the small % of mentally ill or violent people.  I would assume that most of them would acquire guns illegally from the black market, to the point that they bypass any safety training or testing that the rest have to go through.

If there is any possibility of acquiring a gun illegally, then the entire gun control conversation doesn't address the issue.  Right now I'd say it can be acquired without too much difficulty, and all you need is cash.
526  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: August 30, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
Bitcoins will be hard for them to stop without shutting down the entire internet. Should a government act against bitcoin, it would drive the price through the roof.

The government of first world countries would never want their beloved currency to go to waste. They are already acting against it. They can't fully go through with it, however. It's a decentralized currency. The only possible outlet they have is putting place laws and regulation that make it harder to obtain or trade. NYC bitcoin LBC exchanges have pretty much been banned because you need a license (which is hard to obtain) in order to purchase/trade bitcoin. I wouldn't be surprised if more came.

I think there is a lot more difficulty in trading bitcoin with a fiat currency, as the fiat part can be tracked without too much trouble, and as long as financial institutions/banks carry out the government's will, it can make it a chore to trade.  What is very difficult to control however, would be bitcoin being used to buy and sell actual goods and services.  It is very effective at doing that, whether the government chooses to act against it or not.  In fact if they choose to be against it, then they will force bitcoin users to operate outside of the law, and that means that they won't be able to capture any tax revenue from sales.

I don't think so it is as easy to track where the fiat is coming from, when you are tracking it without knowing the owner, however it might be a different case if a bank is trying to find out Smiley In order to completely get myself anonymous, I lent some btc and even earned bitcoin from scratch, paid my crypto dues, made my own money and basically I am anonymous to the world rn, don't think so I can be tracked so easily.

I'm talking about trading...where you exchange fiat for bitcoin or vise versa, for profit.  You and many other people including myself have bitcoin which are off the grid from fiat, but we are not trading against fiat and it lowers the liquidity of bitcoin.  I consider this to be a barrier for bitcoin at the moment.  It should be as easy as a normal foreign exchange transaction.
527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: August 29, 2015, 06:18:20 AM
It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

There is something called the law of unintended consequences. Basically states that every time you do something, outcomes that you do not expect may come to happen.

In the topic at hand, we have a law which was passed that made a particular religious practice illegal by making it the equivalent of suicide.

While it’s obvious that this ruling was made in order to try to avoid suicides, it’s possible that a perverse result gets to happen. Instead of people avoiding suicide you may have people opting to use a knife or a gun.

So instead of a decline of suicides you may get the opposite effect.


I'm not sure if the consequence is unintended.  I don't think that the primary reason for strict drug policy is to decrease drug use in society.  It was threatening industries like alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical, cotton, petroleum based products, etc.  It also allowed law enforcement to put minorities in prison.  The same idiot that primed alcohol prohibition eventually failed and then moved onto drugs (Henry Anslinger).

In the same way, if the government wants to minimize suicides, then they need to address the main issue, which is  - what is deteriorating the mental health of people in today's society and how can we help them?  If the best we can do is say "that's illegal dude", it's not really addressing anything.  Suicide is still taboo topic in North America and is not discussed.  Suicide is not even reported in the media.  When I used to take the subway to work, and someone would jump in front of the train, there would be an announcement saying that there is a delay due to "signalling issues".  We can't keep treating people like retarded children and expect a positive change.
528  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: August 27, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Nice advice. I am also looking for a way to save money. I don't know why it is so easy to spend money for buying things that is not so necessary. While the things we need the most and needed big amount of money we feel so hard to do savings and the worst is in the end we take loans on banks. Need to change before it becomes a habit  Cheesy

I think it is a good start for all of us if we do not take any loans on the bank (except a possible mortgage) or use a credit card. This is actually the worst way to spend money because of the interest you have to pay.  And even with regard to mortgages, please spend a lot of time looking for which kind of mortage is the best for YOU! Remember, what mortgage is the best for you according to the bank, often is not the best for you but the best one for the bank..

Nowadays also crowd-funding websites arise for providing people loans. Maybe we all should look more into those websites and leave banks as they are.
Credit cards are a death sentence. The best thing to do if you have a credit card with debt is to cut them up and stick to spending debit and cash only. It always cost way more money to pay for everything ever. If it were not needed to travel, I would not have one.

I definately agree with you, although the guarantees of using Credit Cards are nice. However, as this costs a premium, I would not suggest you to use one. In fact, most people are spending money with their CC which they don't even have: spend the money you have.       The same applies for people loaning money to buy for example a car. Don't! Save money and buy a car with the money you own by yourself.

There is no need to drive the nicest or fastest cars. In fact, even a few dents in your car does not matter: this can save you thousands of dollars!

The thing about credit cards is that they offer rewards and cash back to the buyer, at the cost of a fee to the seller.  So for me, I get cashback on all CC purchases, as well as additional insurance coverage and some other smaller benefits that probably aren't significant to most people (road side assistance and towing).  I have my credit card set up to automatically be paid, so I never incur any interest, but benefit from the rewards.  To your point though, for anyone not planning to pay off the full balance, a credit card is a terrible way to spend money, but as long as you always pay the full balance, there is a benefit to the buyer from the rewards programs.

In terms of cars, I agree there is no need to spend beyond your means, but as a car/motorcycle enthusiast, I have had great experiences in motorsports, that were very worth the cost to me.  I never spent beyond my limit or went into debt.  More recently I have an economy car, and rarely even drive anymore as I live in the city, but miss the excitement I used to experience earlier. Smiley
529  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: August 27, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Bitcoins will be hard for them to stop without shutting down the entire internet. Should a government act against bitcoin, it would drive the price through the roof.

The government of first world countries would never want their beloved currency to go to waste. They are already acting against it. They can't fully go through with it, however. It's a decentralized currency. The only possible outlet they have is putting place laws and regulation that make it harder to obtain or trade. NYC bitcoin LBC exchanges have pretty much been banned because you need a license (which is hard to obtain) in order to purchase/trade bitcoin. I wouldn't be surprised if more came.

I think there is a lot more difficulty in trading bitcoin with a fiat currency, as the fiat part can be tracked without too much trouble, and as long as financial institutions/banks carry out the government's will, it can make it a chore to trade.  What is very difficult to control however, would be bitcoin being used to buy and sell actual goods and services.  It is very effective at doing that, whether the government chooses to act against it or not.  In fact if they choose to be against it, then they will force bitcoin users to operate outside of the law, and that means that they won't be able to capture any tax revenue from sales.
530  Economy / Economics / Re: Global stock market selloff has started on: August 24, 2015, 11:22:00 PM
Several of the stocks I keep an eye on and invest in have dropped past previous 52 week lows...will be interesting to see how much fear there is in the market and if it continues to drop

I thought something like this was going to happen a couple years ago...if it does end up being an all out crash.
531  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: August 24, 2015, 12:55:56 AM
It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

Remember. To accurately think along these lines regarding Colorado and Washington, it is still federally illegal there, with the feds doing something about it at times.

Smiley

Yeah you're right about that.  Regardless, the point I was making is that making something illegal doesn't necessarily cause people to stop doing it.
532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does martingale really works? on: August 23, 2015, 05:53:00 PM
Its not a long term strategy. It will just make you fail in the last.

Correct.

Yeah, but it will only works at the start.

Well you could hit a long enough loss streak at any time. Statistically speaking, you are very unlikely to hit such a streak if you just make a few dozens of bets, but still you could hit it right in the very beginning.

Yeah...the probability of having a losing streak on the first bet (or any series of bets) would be very low...but it has happened to me before.
533  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: August 23, 2015, 04:12:29 PM
It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.
534  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Eutanasia? on: August 20, 2015, 10:40:43 PM
I'm very much for the right of everyone to die with dignity, but this could prove very problematic in the case of patients with diagnosed mental illnesses (such as depression or bipolar disorder) in their medical history.

Agreed...but even if diagnosed with illness, does it make sense for the government to have the right to make that decision?  If we can't make that choice, then we are living life on someone elses terms, and that would likely only increase the drive to commit suicide.

Of course there should be some questioning and perhaps a lag between requesting euthanasia and having it done, to allow the person to seriously think about whether or not that is what they really want.  But at the end of the day, if someone wants to end their life, they shouldn't have to require permission from a stranger.

The other part is that we always have the option to commit suicide, if euthanasia is not an option.
535  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: August 20, 2015, 08:31:06 PM
It's really not this easy. I like how you've suggested a financial plan, but someone who makes almost 8 bucks an hour can not afford multiple things on top of their daily bills. It's easy to make a financial plan if you make enough money to where you don't have your monthly budgets interfering with each other. For example, medical emergencies. At that type of salary, you're essentially one accident away from any financial savings for anything collapsing. Your car savings, or your house savings, can all be destroyed with the medical side of your life taking over it due to an insufficient "medical fund". Saving money is something everyone would love to do, but when you don't have a decent salary, it's next to impossible.
Sir, all things are possible 8 bucks per hour? It is enough for a normal person . And you said that all of your savings will be destroyed by pne accident? No . Do you really read this thread? That your savings must 20% of your monthly salary? And its use in 2 different ways? First the 10% is for emergencies,  so you cant spent the other 10% wich must spend in your personal interest like business,investment, and etc. So how possible you can't save? If you do this strategies you can save every month. And like i said theres a choices , save or not so choose.

So there are a couple things to pay attention to.  One is income generation and the other is under-consumption (saving).  It would make sense for effort to be put into income generation primarily, and then towards savings. 

If someone is making 8 bucks an hour and living in North America, then the effort needs to go into generating more income.  That wage is for unskilled labour, so it would make sense to gain a skillset that pays more.  Don't fall into the trap of doing unskilled labour for life.  That type of job should be a steppingstone to something else.  If you are going to learn a trade, get a formal education, or learn a skillset that you can apply on your own, it will allow you to get out of that trap of labour/retail type jobs.

8 bucks an hour will just cover the absolutely essential monthly expenses.  It makes sense if you're young and working part-time while living at home with parents, but don't make a career out of a job like that.

This was the point I was attempting to make. Relying on minimum wage is totally unreliable and almost impossible in certain areas. If you live in Los Angeles California, or NYC, you're looking at a extremely high cost of living compared to somewhere in Nebraska, for example. Therefore, saving money can only happen if you have a certain skill set to which you are compensated for above minimum wage work, also known as, a college degree. Hell, even a liberal arts degree.

something which really bothers me with minimum wage is that people criticize those people on minimum wage calling them burger flippers and ask them to develop skills, etc but actually I respect those people because they fought the system and got 15$ an hour, while the CEO and the company makes thousands of dollars every hour. This 'system' wants us to fight with each other about what's our worth and what we deserve, while they make millions.

How is flipping burgers for minimum wage fighting the system? Fighting the system is changing the system, you aren't changing anything by flipping burgers, you are making the CEO of the burger shop richer thats all.

I'd assume that his respect for those folks is that they aren't part of the rat race of constantly chasing the shiny item dangling in front of you, but just out of reach.

I do respect people with minimum wage jobs, especially in areas with social welfare programs, such as where I live....and that's because they get paid marginally higher than people that are on social welfare and sit at home collecting other people's taxes, while contributing nothing.  I do understand that there are some legitimate cases where people are down on their luck and end up in unfortunate situations, but it's also something that is very widely taken advantage of by others.
536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: August 17, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Santhara is a practice in Jainism where a person voluntarily gives up water and food and waits for death.
An Indian court has ruled that this was akin to suicide and therefore illegal.

http://scroll.in/article/748119/fasting-unto-death-for-religion-is-not-suicide-or-euthanasia-say-outraged-jains

I never understood what legality or policy or government or anyone for that matter has to do with the decision to commit suicide.  Once you choose to check out, who cares if it's against the law?

I find the way society views suicide to be very strange...as if it's the worst outcome and no one in their right mind would ever do it.  There are tons of people with a level of suffering that is difficult for others to understand, and it should absolutely be everyone's right to end their life if they choose to.  What's the point of going into palliative care, being pumped full of opiates, not being able to function mentally or physically and waiting until your heart stops beating?

Let me help you understand this, law has been mad for SUICIDAL ATTEMPT and not just suicide. There are possibilities when a suicidal attempt may fail to complete. This attempt by any person may demoralize or demotivate some weak people in our society to commit the same which means a loss for the country in terms of man power and mind power. This law might inhibit some suicidal attempts.

So you think that because it's against the law, someone considering suicide will come to the conclusion that it's illegal and that will be the reason to not commit suicide?  Similar to the heroin addict that is going to go cold turkey because he found out using heroin is against the law...

If what you're saying actually works, then the countries that were the "toughest on crime" would have the lowest crime rates, and you can see that that is simply not the case.  If you don't address the root cause of why it's happening, then the problem isn't going to be solved, and you can't just stick a law in there to get the job done.

Suicide is illegal because it is a crime to destroy government property.

lol  Cheesy
537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: August 16, 2015, 10:45:11 PM
You can protect yourself.
I've tuned my browser to block all cookies from google.com and I use startpage.com for my searches.
that is a good way to protect your computer but i think this whole thing is blown out of proportion if you are that unsure of your computers safety why go full rogue and use the tor browser but i have had people say even that may not be safe

I firmly disagree, their are browsers out there who will not share your data at any cost and search engines like duckduckgo who will never record your data, that's their SP. people who rant about their private information exploitation should use such softwares and apps, than just blame google and the other lads. Its business, boys.

So if I am using Google Chrome and I use duckduckgo as a search engine, will Google still be able to track my searches?

I'm usually signed into Chrome, with Gmail and Youtube signed in as well, and assume everything I do is being tracked.
538  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Suicide on: August 16, 2015, 04:33:02 AM
Santhara is a practice in Jainism where a person voluntarily gives up water and food and waits for death.
An Indian court has ruled that this was akin to suicide and therefore illegal.

http://scroll.in/article/748119/fasting-unto-death-for-religion-is-not-suicide-or-euthanasia-say-outraged-jains

I never understood what legality or policy or government or anyone for that matter has to do with the decision to commit suicide.  Once you choose to check out, who cares if it's against the law?

I find the way society views suicide to be very strange...as if it's the worst outcome and no one in their right mind would ever do it.  There are tons of people with a level of suffering that is difficult for others to understand, and it should absolutely be everyone's right to end their life if they choose to.  What's the point of going into palliative care, being pumped full of opiates, not being able to function mentally or physically and waiting until your heart stops beating?
539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Comedian Louis C.K Begins Accepting Bitcoin on: August 15, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Wow, that is huge.
I am not really familiar with that stuff, but I guess Louis C.K is currently more popular than Mike Tyson.

I wonder, how he came to it. Louis C.K doesn't seem like a tech savy person, but neither seems Tatiana Moroz(quite the different, since I started listening to her show on the LTB network).

I guess artists will be the next big adopters for crypto currency/p2p-networks, since they got screwed over by a lot of companies in the last few years.
I agree, especially if they are not tied to publishers or whatever, I think Bitcoin will become popular among independent artists.
They can save quite a lot because of the low transaction fees etc.

In the past few years, a lot of comedians have broken free from submitting to TV networks and are able to market themselves on social media and most of them have successful podcasts.  So bitcoin is a great way for them to bring in some additional income.  I know Joe Rogan is a bitcoin user as well.
540  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Canada travel restrictions to terrorist hotspots on: August 13, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
It's strange how people can be fed completely different info and possess completely different impressions about what's going on in the world.  Maybe I don't watch the news enough and am missing something because I find it hard to understand what can put people in mind to support the Harper gov's propositions.

To me they seem counter-intutive. Other's may feel that they're the only way that they'll be safe.

If harper told Canadians sucking his dick would help stop isis there would be a million person line up.

LIke 20% of our population is full blown fucking retards.  They understand nothing about the world and believe what ever harper says as true.  I know these people.. "ANY THING TO BE SAFE BRO".. these people (there are LOTS OF THEM) shouldn't have the right to vote.

LOL...this is the post of the day Smiley
Probably more than 20% too


It's strange how people can be fed completely different info and possess completely different impressions about what's going on in the world.  Maybe I don't watch the news enough and am missing something because I find it hard to understand what can put people in mind to support the Harper gov's propositions.

To me they seem counter-intutive. Other's may feel that they're the only way that they'll be safe.

If harper told Canadians sucking his dick would help stop isis there would be a million person line up.

LIke 20% of our population is full blown fucking retards.  They understand nothing about the world and believe what ever harper says as true.  I know these people.. "ANY THING TO BE SAFE BRO".. these people (there are LOTS OF THEM) shouldn't have the right to vote.

Talking to people at my work is like getting the news regurgitated back to me,but worse. Watching the news should really open ones eye to how bad things have got in the last couple of years. Every story is washed down and missing important aspects that are geared to lead you down the path they chose from the start.

I know eh.. it's painful.  I feel like throwing up in peoples faces when they start giving "opinions" that are really just exactly what they read on the news.  Never thought about it just accepted CBC or CNN as fact.

It amazes me how many people still watch the news from sponsored mainstream media as their daily dose of world truth.  As soon as I hear the familiar tone of voice of a news reporter I tune out.  They all share the same reporter tone where all emotion and honesty has been stripped out and replaced with this fake shit that they were told to say 3 minutes ago.

People that still subscribe to cable even amaze me, aside from sports fans.
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