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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ever dreamed about Bitcoin? on: January 31, 2016, 07:52:58 AM
I had a dream that someone donated 100 Bitcoin to me. I was so shocked to see it in my Bitcoin wallet. In my dream of course.
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need some expert opinion here guys :) on: January 31, 2016, 07:47:15 AM
I really have no idea about how to make a Bitcoin business. But I know that there aren't any Bitcoin lawyers.
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some hard truth about Satoshi's identity on: January 31, 2016, 07:45:59 AM
Honestly i dont care about satoshis identity does not matter how rich he is or how many BTC he have

and i dont understand why people are after his identity ?
If satoshi doesn't want to reveal his identity, then why should he. People need to realise this.
524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some hard truth about Satoshi's identity on: January 31, 2016, 07:45:12 AM
We was so proud that Satoshi was probably from the UK. But it seems not.

The hard truth is that Satoshi is "North American, " if that's still in question.

We took some time to analyse, simple grammatical structures used, in his various 575 variants of informal posts. Here what we found.

"'-disablesafemode,'", - post 1. English (UK) version - "-disablesafemode, "

"realized" - post 15. English (UK) version - "realised"

"criticized" - post 20. English (UK) version - "criticised"

"minimized" - post 525. English (UK) version - "minimised"

I'm certain we could use this same trick to triangulate his location, but, that task is for someone else to accomplish - if at all necessary.

this one what i never think before,such great idea finding satoshi nakamoto's real identity by analyzing his code,but do you ever realize some people do use mixed accent for speaking?
Lol that is very true. And when they are talking on a call, they could use a voice modifier.
525  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: January 28, 2016, 05:44:33 AM
Bitcoin has more potential, gold has already reached its full potential. Bitcoin is a better investment.

This is also how I see this. Bitcoin has more potential for the price to rise compared to gold.
526  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many bitcoins do I need to retire in 20 years? on: January 28, 2016, 05:42:47 AM
You have more chance if you trading! Then you can increase number of coins over time..
And when time comes you will have good starting point for retirement.


Trading does not mean increasing its capital, but put it at risk, for example i 90% lose when i trade my bitcoin, i'm too emotional
Well not if you safely trade. For example, buy at low prices, and then sell at a high price. Easy.
527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ballcoin price falling?? on: January 28, 2016, 05:39:16 AM
Its not falling... Its going up on daily basis
What are you talking about? If this was true, the price would already be at $420 or something.
528  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: bitcoin faucets, can you make a major profit? on: January 28, 2016, 05:35:38 AM
Can anyone tell the faucets list which are most highest paying ?
Just don't even try using faucets dude. You are already in a signature campaign and you will earn way more with that.
529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What regular people think about bitcoin ? on: January 28, 2016, 05:32:39 AM
many people still not knowing anything about Bitcoin
That's why around me i found difficulties sometimes to convince them to use Bitcoin in their trades online

What arguments do you use to convince ppl to use Bitcoin for online shopping?


You use Bitcoin as well. What are your arguments for when people ask you about Bitcoin? Please tell me.
530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin in 2020 on: January 28, 2016, 05:25:12 AM
I began my career in the bictoin . In 2010 the bitcoin was worth 0.01 euro , now a bitcoin worth 400 euros. I ask myself a question: what will be its value in 2020 ?.

A friend told me that its value will be 10,000 euros. Shocked

Sorry for the spelling for I am french . Wink

Thank you for your replies Smiley
The price of 1 Bitcoin is not 400 euros, the price is 400 US dollars. In 2020, the price of Bitcoin could be very low, or very high.
531  Economy / Exchanges / Re: is this a Scam or Legit?? transfers - 30 countries Currency Accepted !? on: January 28, 2016, 05:19:50 AM
Well it looks like a legit site. The site is made very well and there are no scam accusations about it.
532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ballcoin price falling?? on: January 28, 2016, 05:17:03 AM
The price is not falling. Well it is, but it is going up and then falling. It is different.
533  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: What are the benefits of a Xapo Wallet? on: January 28, 2016, 05:14:37 AM
Barely any faucets send payments to Xapo wallet. Just use like blockchain or something like that.
534  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: bitcoin faucets, can you make a major profit? on: January 28, 2016, 05:13:30 AM
Faucets are for people that want to make small amounts of Bitcoin. Signature campaigns are much better.
535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is unsustainable, according to Vice on: January 28, 2016, 01:47:49 AM
http://motherboard.vice.com/pt_br/read/bitcoin-insustentavel


Bitcoin’s power usage per transaction isn’t remotely sustainable as a wholesale replacement for the conventional financial system.


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The year is 2018. After a rough Greek exit from the eurozone, economic malaise has spread to Italy, Portugal, Spain, and France. Nervous citizens across Europe look for a way to get their money out as currency traders hammer the weakening euro, banks impose withdrawal limits, and their purchasing power plummets.

Enter Bitcoin.

Compared to the euro, the peer-to-peer decentralized electronic currency has now become a relatively stable digital asset. Fiendish buyers trade their euros en masse online for Bitcoin, and soon, depositors worldwide join them. The price of Bitcoin rises, prompting more user adoption by spenders and speculators, and recognition from governments and populations alike.

The above scenario sounds like a nice piece of prepper-bait from conspiracy site infowars.com. But could (or should) Bitcoin actually take over? Some of the more enthusiastic Bitcoin advocates argue that the currency is ready for prime time—in other words, ready to replace national currencies, or perhaps replace global banking’s creaking clearinghouses. Would this be good for the world?

From an environmental point of view, it certainly wouldn’t be good news. Unfortunately for Bitcoin advocates, the currency uses too much electricity right now—way too much: According to my calculation, a single Bitcoin transaction uses roughly enough electricity to power 1.57 American households for a day.

All that energy expenditure has an important purpose: it secures Bitcoin from attacks by speculators, criminals, and other evil-doers by raising the price of the computer power needed to gain control of all transactions on the network. The computers that make up the Bitcoin economy’s backbone are constantly ensuring security and verifiability for the network by solving cryptographic puzzles. This process is called “mining.” Those who participate in this network maintenance are rewarded in Bitcoin, incentivizing them to bulk up their machines so they can mine more efficiently.

There is potential for Bitcoin to become more efficient by stuffing more transactions into the mining process. But at the end of the day, if Bitcoin sees increased adoption and price and many more useful transactions, power consumption is almost guaranteed to grow.

Motherboard has previously covered how big Bitcoin mining operations can get. So how much electricity are we talking about?

Let’s take this Bitcoin mine in China as an example of the scale of today’s operations. It is supposedly running at 6 PH (quadrillion hashes) per second, according to a Chinese Bitcoin company CEO posting in a Bitcoin forum, with the aim to scale up to 12 PH per second. That would give it about 3.3 percent of the total power on the Bitcoin network. Because the Bitcoin network is set up to dole out around 3,600 BTC per day to miners, this mine would rake in about 118.8 BTC per day, or more than $30,000USD at the time of writing. That’s not a bad haul when your electricity costs are among the lowest in the world at 3 to 6 cents per kw/h, about a third of US prices.

Bitcoin’s power usage per transaction isn’t remotely sustainable as a wholesale replacement for the conventional financial system

Computer cooling firm Allied Control estimates the total power consumption of the Bitcoin network at 250 to 500 Megawatts. Looking at the total hashrate, which is the number of calculations the network can perform per second, and applying a generous miner efficiency of 0.6 watts per gigahash, we can estimate our own back-of-the-envelope Bitcoin network constant power draw at just under 215 MW, although this figure is always in flux (it’s important to note that many of the variables in my calculation are constantly changing slightly). That’s around enough zap to power 173,000 average American households’ daily electricity usage.

With about 110,000 transactions per day, that works out to 1.57 households daily usage of electricity per Bitcoin transaction. Yes, every time you buy something in Bitcoin, you could be using as much electricity as 1.57 American families do in a day.

“The actual figure is likely worse, given that a large number of transactions are exchanges and miners moving bitcoins around and other low-value ‘dust’ transactions,” said Matthew Green, a cryptography expert at Johns Hopkins University. “So each transaction where there’s an exchange of goods or services happening is really representing even more electricity.”

As climate change becomes a more pressing concern for humanity every day, this huge level of energy use is difficult to justify for a currency wanting to improve on the current arrangement.

“It appears there are significant challenges to ensuring that Bitcoin’s growth minimizes environmental impacts,” offered Jeremy McDaniels, a financial system sustainability expert with the UNEP. “Energy footprints could be an issue of major scale-up is achieved.”

There is hope that Bitcoin may be able to reduce its footprint, however.

One important thing to understand is that the electricity demands of Bitcoin mining won’t scale up linearly with increased usage or transactions. Bitcoin miners use special hardware to guess over and over at solutions to computational problems for each “block,” which records transactions into a permanent ledger. The first problem-solver “wins” the block and the reward: brand new bitcoins.

Bitcoin can currently handle up to 360,000 transactions per day given current limitations built into the technology, according to Jorge Stolfi, a computer science professor from Campinas University in Brazil, so there’s some headroom left before things bog down.

It would be possible to bring down the average power cost of each transaction by modifying the underlying Bitcoin protocol, but that’s no easy feat. The Bitcoin community is currently debating a big change that would mean the network could theoretically handle about 7.2 million transactions a day on a comparable level of electricity consumption, according to Stolfi. That would require a majority of the people mining Bitcoin to agree to the change, however.

Keeping power consumption high in general also makes the network more secure by making it harder for any one entity to gain control. “The right way to think about this is that the energy expenditure provides a level of protection against attacks—it establishes a price floor, currently in the many millions, to launch a 34 percent or 51 percent attack [where an attacker can block transactions and double spend bitcoins as they please],” Emin Gun Sirer, a Cornell professor and blogger at Hacking Distributed, explained in an email.

However, that same level of security could be maintained while allowing for more transactions, he said, shrinking the cost per transaction.

All that needs to happen, then, is to expand the userbase so we have more transactions, right?

Unfortunately for Bitcoin, if user adoption spikes, so will price—and so must power consumption. Bitcoin mining leads to an arms race among miners to grab a slice of the fixed rewards doled out by the network, Stolfi said. The higher the financial rewards, the more miners will invest in powerful equipment to keep up with the competition. The Bitcoin protocol will continue to increase the difficulty of the cryptopuzzles to keep rewards constant, continuing the arms race until the last block is mined.

That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA

The bottom line? Price = energy. “The total revenue of the mining industry is Bitcoin price times BTC revenue in USD/day, independently of anything else; and the electricity consumption, also in USD/day, is some large fraction of that,” concludes Stolfi.

Green agrees: “Almost everything in Bitcoin is flexible, but that dynamic isn’t. Miners always have the incentive to throw as many hashes [requiring power] at the job as the price dictates.”

Of course, it wouldn’t be fair to knock Bitcoin’s electricity consumption without comparing it to payment systems most people use today. Let’s take VISA as an example.

According to Network Computing, the VISA network can process more than 80 billion transactions per year or 2,537 transactions per second, using two mirrored data centers, each capable of running the entire network. The larger data center is currently pulling enough power for 25,000 households’ daily electricity, so we’ll double that to account for VISA’s total draw. In 2013, VISA’s investor reports say the company processed 58.5 billion transactions.

Working off these (admittedly imperfect) figures, each VISA transaction consumes around 0.0003 household’s daily electricity use. That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA, at current usage levels.



Both networks use a lot of houses worth of daily juice, but one of them processes millions more transactions. Image: Motherboard
Of course, VISA runs call centers, offices, and a whole lot else on electricity as well, which isn’t counted in this comparison. But those hardly matter due to the extreme difference between the two figures.

In a rosy 2014 Bitcoin sustainability study, Bitcoin analyst Hass McCook concluded that “Bitcoin has 99.8% fewer [carbon] emissions than the banking system,” which we can treat as a rough proxy for energy use. The study neglects to account for the vast size difference between the Bitcoin economy and the conventional money system, however—the world banking system’s market capitalization in 2010 alone was over 1,989 times bigger than today’s total Bitcoin valuation.

In light of the above analysis, Bitcoin’s power usage per transaction isn’t remotely sustainable as a wholesale replacement for the conventional financial system. In the future, Bitcoin could massively gain popularity, pile on millions more transactions, and still be unsustainable due to the arms race between miners.

In an email, Bitcoin expert Piotr Piasecki added some context to the comparison: “With the increase of the block size, there will be more transactions included in the block, so the cost per transaction should go down. While it might not reach such low levels as Visa, we are talking about two somewhat different systems. One is a database entry in a single system, another one is an immutable record of history in a decentralized ledger.”



What do you guys thing? is this barrier being solved by the improvements in the blockchain technology?
Maybe in the future, the power usage per transaction will be to high for what miners get paid. But not now.
Very true. Miners wouldn't mine if they weren't earning money. So the power to earning ratio is good.
536  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: January 28, 2016, 12:16:54 AM
I haven't a plan to get rich with Bitcoins nowadays because i don't think it's really possible without investing huge amounts , and i am not able to invest such amounts now

I don't think so man. you still can get rich without investing huge amounts, like joining signature campaign. you can earn free bitcoin easily by posting. and there are many ways to get rich.
This is very true. For example, if you bet a small amount, you will win or lose a small amount. And that is the same with a large amount.
537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin 'real money' to you? on: January 28, 2016, 12:14:27 AM

Soil can be a money too if it is used as an unit for exchange or make it valuable.

No, it cant. Payment mean must operate with something that is hard (or impossible) to obtain another way than receiving payment. You can't get as much Bitcoins, gold, silver or secured bank notes as you want with practically no effort. With soil, you can. 
If soil was actually worth something, then it could be used as payment. It is worth nothing now though.
538  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [EDU] Bitcoin-related Scam Websites on: January 28, 2016, 12:12:12 AM
Shit that is a lot of scam sites. This just shows what has happened to society. People have just changed s much.
539  Economy / Services / Re: Btc earning! on: January 26, 2016, 09:35:50 AM
You are really untrusted on this forum, so you are going to need to give us some more information than that.
540  Economy / Services / Re: WARP signature campaign - 4 days - 25 posts - 0.01 BTC on: January 26, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
Registration for the campaign closes Jan 26 12:00 CET.
Why are you setting a date and time when the registration is going to close? That's pretty stupid if you ask me.
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