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521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sell your altcoins and tokens TODAY, save yourself the frustration on: October 06, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
im following many campaign and have many coin of it. sometimes i sell at the first i get it, sometimes i hold it until now, sometimes i hold then sell when the price better than before. many advantages and disadvantages when you sell or hold. i think many people know what it feel.
when i sell first i know it best part to avoid something bad, but sometimes for several week or month, thr price is better. and it vice verza.
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Popularity of BITCOIN on Twitter Declining? on: October 06, 2019, 09:55:30 PM
im not sure. but now people will give hashtag on their campaign. and its rare they use bitcoin, but it doesnt mean bitcoin reputatiin is down. maybe they are just play in their role.
i never say bitcoin on twitter except i want to advertise or what ever it is. and i never see other coin ask to use #bitcoin when they task is on twitter. but for me its not big problem for bitcoin
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Loan to buy Bitcoin? on: October 06, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
just buy bitcoin with your salary. you have main job and its good you said, so the best choice is just buy with your salary, but dont forget always fill your needed. scary moment if you buy butcoin with loan in some price with high volume. then bitcoin dont have good movement, it have stable price and you must pay your loan, how you do that?
524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What did you know about Bitcoin before becoming a bitcoiner? on: October 06, 2019, 03:16:15 AM
my friend tell me abiut bitcoin. he said that you can earn profit from here, so i try to learn. for the first time i just make money from this site, and as time go by i try, read, learn more about cryptocurrent. so, its not only make money from digital current, but you can do what fiat cant do here.
btw, this site is really helping people to get side job.
525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DID I MAKE A MISTAKE INVESTING IN BITCOIN? on: October 05, 2019, 09:59:18 PM
it is wrong if you invest in bitcoin to make profit as fast as possible. basically, all of investation need to be patient, and some people know that bitcoin is the best investation and can make you rich in a short while in a fact its not true. bitcoin is like the other investation, need take a breath and maybe for some people they can take big jackpot.
526  Economy / Economics / Re: K-POP Company owners are joining the train hype of Cryptocurrency on: October 05, 2019, 03:47:32 PM
i dont know it will make people more attract to crypto, or maybe it can attract them with small chance. yes, if how much product will be success depend on who is promotes, but if they just promotion like the artist before, im not sure if what they do will give high impact for their product
527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are You Doing This? on: October 05, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
i dont do this, my family dont know and too old to know about bitcoin. i ever telling this to my brother but he no respon or not interest about it. i dont care if someday bad thing happen, i mean i always rotate my profit in real life and when i dont cash my token out, it mean that token never be sold.
528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What if Ethereum replaces Bitcoin someday? on: October 05, 2019, 08:58:03 AM
it will be big news for crypto member. and im sure if it price will significantly increased. i dont know if ethereum will race bitcoin or not but it possible, and many the other possibility.
ethereum including top of cryptocurrent, and it have many token that make cooperation with it. so, it can increase the presence of other ttoken.
529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Investors are impatient and too quick to judge projects on: October 05, 2019, 06:06:08 AM
It usually surprise me when I see investors complaining about a good project that didn't increase  or providing returns immediately it got listed on the exchange and they term it scam or say different things like rekted.
But the truth is, are these investors investing in the project because they believe in it or are they just in it for the immediate profit and move on?  Because if you are investing in a project because you believe in it then you should be willing to HODL the tokens and wait for the team to gradually deliver the project and meet its necessary roadmap before you judge it and not condemn it on its first listing.

Theres are two type of investors long term and short term those investors who complain in a project that not increase is surely short term investor that want to earn profit in a short term.
A true investors are willing to hold for long term even the price dump so hard because they believe in a project no matter what happen just like bitcoin its take 8years to get their all time high.

but it doesnt mean you must hold all of your coin until 8 years. there are many type of investor like what you said before. and sometime i use all method depend on how good they are or how i think to not believe that they can be good in a future. and mostly i keep it until some month or until it can be sold.
investor complain cause they are tricked, and have many bad experience.
530  Economy / Economics / Re: Does engaging with bitcoins put you at risk? on: October 05, 2019, 12:36:53 AM
dealing with bitcoin give you risk is right. not only bitcoin, the other investation will give you risk. and they have different risk level. and for me, they have high risk if you dont have basic knowledge about it.
why gamble? gamble is like you put your money and bet to something, it can be win or loss, while the way butcoin work is not like that
531  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) Bitcoin / mata uang virtual erat kemungkinan dengan tindakan illegal on: October 04, 2019, 02:46:10 PM
yang jadi dilema kan crypto jadi alat untuk tindakan ilegal.
Dilema bagaimana mas? Seharusnya, kita semua sudah tahu bahwa yang dibuat untuk tindakan ilegal itu bukan hanya bitcoin. Panci, paku, pecahan kaca dkk dibikin bom, itu ilegal, apakah kita mau dilema dengan panci dkk tersebut? Uang, dibuat tindakan ilegal untuk beli narkoba, apakah mas tidak dilema dengan uang digunakan sebagai alat untuk tindakan ilegal? Jadi, saya rasa ini sudah jelas, bitcoin, uang dan panci adalah korban yang memang semuanya ini bisa digunakan untuk tindakan ilegal/kriminal.

okelah muncul kyc yang bisa dibilang sebagai 'alat keamanan' yang mana bisa menjangkau hal yang tidak di inginkan.

KYC (Know Your Customer) adalah metode verifikasi bukan untuk alat keamanan. KYC ini digunakan untuk mencegah potensi terjadinya pencucian uang oleh seseorang yang memanfaat exchange. Dengan KYC ini nantinya, pihak exchange melakukan verifikasi bukan untuk mengamankan akun atau pun aset. Memang, ada sedikit hubungannya, jika kita ingin memulihkan akun, KYC digunakan untuk mengembalikan akun yang mungkin ini dimaksud dengan keamanan dari sudut pandang mas. Tapi, alat keamanan yang sebenarnya bukan KYC tapi password, 2FA dan lain-lain. Artinya KYC hanya mengamankan akun jika suatu saat mas kehilangan 2FA, akun terkena hack, ingin ganti email dan sebagainya. Tetapi itu tadi, tidak sepenuhnya keamanan tapi sebagai verifikasi data.

CMIIW



nah, yang saya maksud dilema itu pikiran orang yang bilang bitcoin dikaitkan dengan tindakan negatif.

ane juga tau gan, benda atau apapun bisa dikaitkan dengan tindakan ilegal. yang saya maksud dari tindakan ilegal disini pencucian uang. metode kyc digunakkan untuk memantau jika nantinya klo ada tindakan yang pantas disebut pencucian bisa di tindak lanjuti.
koreksi dah, untuk memantau.
532  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) Bitcoin / mata uang virtual erat kemungkinan dengan tindakan illegal on: October 04, 2019, 01:30:28 PM
Sejak muncul nya mata uang crypto di tahun 2009 an sampai saat ini, negara kita masih belum menerapkan regulasi yang jelas tentang kepemilikan dan penggunaan mata uang ini. Mata uang ini erat sekali dikaitkan dengan tindakan ilegal dalam berbagai hal. Meski begitu , mata uang ini tetap ada dan banyak peminatnya. Dan entah sampai kapan mata uang ini terus tanpa aturan hukum yang sah du negara kita. Menurut aneh sih, kurang ada niat dari pihak pemerintah untuk melegalkan mata uang ini.

Bukan pemerintah yang menutup mata atau tidak memiliki niat. Hanya saja, masnya yang kelewatan satu peraturan baru yang dikeluarkan oleh BAPPEBTI, di mana melalui peraturan yang disahkan, Bitcoin dan Altcoin sah diperdagangkan di Indonesia sebagai komoditi. Artinya, crypto legal di Indonesia untuk dijadikan bagian dari investasi.

Bitcoin ilegal di Indonesia, jika digunakan sebagai Alat Bayar dalam transaksi apapun. Rasanya saya tidak perlu menjelaskan panjang lebar, masalah hukum bitcoin dan altcoin di Indonesia, karena sudah dijelaskan berulang-ulang di halaman sebelumnya oleh banyak member.

Edit: Nah, tuh sudah dijelasin sama mas Krislaw Cheesy

yang jadi dilema kan crypto jadi alat untuk tindakan ilegal. okelah muncul kyc yang bisa dibilang sebagai 'alat keamanan' yang mana bisa menjangkau hal yang tidak di inginkan. memang kenyataan benar sih, cuma sekalipun ada kyc masih bisa kok kecolongan, entah data palsu atau apalah.
533  Economy / Economics / Re: Differences between an investor and common man! on: October 04, 2019, 10:16:07 AM

i never loan anything, and i just buy what i need. but im still 'common man'.
you cant decide between investor and common with that perception. you can compare with their knowledge, like if investor have high probability to win their role than common man because they have a lot of experience, etc.
534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sold my house for buying altcoins need your help on: October 04, 2019, 05:58:50 AM
if you are really sell your house, i think its wrong decision, unless you have many property.
when i have money i will invest to best coin, bitcoin. because im not think about short time, but i will save it for long term. investation is about how patient you will wait until several years later
535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 10 Years From Now on: October 04, 2019, 01:45:39 AM
mostly people know about bitcoin. and the rest of it, more of them, dont know about bitcoin. but im sure they ever heard about it. the more days pass, it will lead them to the future technology. maybe they dont use bitcoin but they will use other crypto, like local crypto maybe. more people will interest and join on cryptocurrent and use for transaction.
536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is now Among The Top 30 Currencies in The Entire World on: October 03, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
bitcoin deserves to be currency in a world wide. im sure bitcoin player can make transaction in every country using bitcoin, and many store accept it, though in some country they provide this service because profitable for both sides.
in a fact, in my country, you cant make transaction because it illegal. you cant keep but you cant buy and sell using bitcoin.
537  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (SHARE) Hati-hati dengan Penipu yg ingin membeli token ico sebelm list di Market on: October 03, 2019, 04:04:45 PM
saya sendiri nggak pernah jual sih gan, karena lebih nikmat sekalipun harga rendah/tinggi ketimbang jual ke orang.
pertama tama sangat jarang orang mau beli token yang belum ke list di marketplace mana aja dengan harga tinggi, ini yang harus diwaspadai. jika emang ada kemungkinan bisa sampai harga tinggi kenapa nggak di hold aja? dan darimana juga bisa tau klo nantinya harga lebih tinggi dari harga yang ditawarkan.
klo mau jual boleh, tapi paling gak jual ke orang yang emang dari awal suka kumpulin coin yang belom masuk market atau ke kenalan. dan kemungkinan sekalinya dijual rate dibawah harga ico
538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Investing in multiple altcoins on: October 03, 2019, 11:41:44 AM
its up to you want to invest in many coin or just some though one coin. if it me, i will invest in one coin that have good future or high probability to gain massive profit.
before start investing your fund, you must know about them. knowledge and experience is the best basic. and when you want to invest, never let the investation control you. you must control them to make profit
539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Makes Bitcoin Valuable? on: October 03, 2019, 07:19:00 AM
for me, bitcoin be valuable because it have high value. you can earn it by many method, and you can sell with high price. mostly people use it for asset, for their advantages. the other is very fast for transaction, secure, and no need put your identity in every transaction, like keeping your information from outside, and bitcoin not controled by anyone
540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin price recovery on: October 03, 2019, 03:37:52 AM
im not sure if it happen, but some altcoin back to the first price or can be higher than the first it release. and some still fight and growing, and the other coin price decrease like waterfall. its hard to increase that price, and i have some coin that cant be trade.
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