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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Writing an article about bitcoin... posting it here first for feedback on: February 12, 2013, 06:44:57 AM
Already it is the most powerful and widespread network the world has ever seen ...

I think this bit needs a little reworking.
While I've heard bitcoin referred to as the most powerful distributed supercomputer  (which is itself debatable  - as that's pretty much just raw crunch power for a very narrow task) - it seems a real stretch to refer to it as the 'most powerful' network.   It also seems to me that there must be other networks which are more widespread (the internet itself springs to mind).



True...... the internet itself violates what I said. I was trying not to get too technical...... but that will definitely need to be changed. How about if I just replace network with "program" ?
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Writing an article about bitcoin... posting it here first for feedback on: February 12, 2013, 06:17:43 AM
I want to get this published so let me know what you guys think. Any feedback is welcome.

Why Bitcoin is better than gold


    First a quick introduction: Bitcoin is a relatively new digital currency. Its rules are enforced by math and open for anyone to see. Its security comes from those who participate
and dedicate a portion of their computer's resources to the bitcoin network. They in turn are rewarded for this and so the network is reinforced and self-sustaining.
Already it is the largest distributed computing project the world has ever seen, despite being in its infancy still.

    Currently there is one key area where gold beats bitcoin. That is confidence. The track record of gold spans thousands of years and it has been valued highly for
generations. Such a reputation is respectable. But it is also not something that can't be beaten. Bitcoin has trodden along for only 4 years now, and it is beginning to garner more trust with the reliability the network has shown.

    You might think that gold has more practical use than some "digital money". It is decorative and pretty to look at to some people. It conducts electricity very well.
But that pales in comparison to the practical usage of bitcoins. Bitcoins can be used like a currency, but one more versatile than has ever been seen. To illustrate
this I will just give a few examples of how someone can utilize bitcoins as a form of money.

    Say that you work in the United States and have family in South America. To help support them you send them money. Doing this, however, is typically a slow process and it is rife with fees for doing something that should be rather simple. With bitcoin, you can send bitcoins to your family, and they will arrive almost immediately.  The fee for this would be minor, if any. As another example, say that you are a seller of some good or service. Routinely you have been scammed by people who buy what you offer when they later issue a "chargeback" on their credit card. With bitcoin this kind of scam is impossible because payments are irreversible. And one more example: say we enter another Great Depression. During the Great Depression of 1929 there was no shortage of people. There was no lack of skills or willingness to work. There wasn't a lack of materials and resources. There was a shortage of money. Banks have the power to contract the money supply, and with that comes dark times. If bitcoin was used on a wide scale then such a contraction would be relieved(something that gold couldn't really solve as well as bitcoins, because of their high divisibility which enables them to perform like a currency. Try buying a loaf of bread with a gold coin worth 500 loaves of bread for instance.). To demonstrate another example.... you, the reader, if you had bitcoins you could even "tip" me right now for writing this article. You could from the seat at your own computer send any amount to the address that I will post at the bottom of this article. All you would need are some bitcoins... and with my address and no other information you could send bitcoins to me immediately. >: )

    You might think that since gold has such great confidence it beats bitcoin as a store of value.... well it does for now. However, I believe bitcoin is poised to take the lead eventually. There is a hard limit of 21 million bitcoins that will ever be created. Counterfeiting and duplicating them is impossible. Bitcoins are created at a predetermined rate. That rate is halved every 4 years until no new bitcoins will be created. The current amount of bitcoins that have been created so far is 10.772 million (so a little over half that will be created have been).

    There are a few characteristics that make something a great store of value. Rarity is the main characteristic. If something is rare enough then it doesn't take a large amount of it to represent great value. If something is rare then that also typically means it can't be duplicated or overproduced. Gold fits this description well. The rarity of gold can't directly be compared with bitcoins. There will only be 21 million bitcoins. There is already over 21 million pounds of gold mined. The amount of gold that has been extracted from the earth is an estimation, and the amount that will be further extracted is also an estimation. Additionally, in the future companies are already looking to mine asteroids and other extraterrestrial objects. So any gold sourced from there will dilute the value of all other gold by some margin. So while I can't say bitcoins are more rare than gold or vice-versa exactly, I can say that at any point in time you know how many bitcoins exist and you know how many will exist later. And there are few enough that 1 bitcoin ,if needed, can store a great amount of value.

    Even though only 21 million can be created... one bitcoin can store more units of value than a dollar. For example a dollar is 100 cents. 1 cent being the smallest unit.  A bitcoin is 100 million "satoshi's".
A satoshi is the smallest unit. So the smallest bitcoin unit looks like this 0.000 000 01  . The smallest unit in USD is .01  . This divisibility will allow bitcoins to be usable as a form of money even
if they reach a price parity with gold.


    To add to how bitcoin compares with gold as a store of value... I will mention storage now. The storage of bitcoins is more versatile than gold. You can store bitcoins embedded into a bar of metal, or a coin.
You can print them on a paper bill in the form of a barcode. You could even write them down and store them on a napkin and put it in a safe. While it's stored in the safe you can even add to your bitcoin collection
without opening the safe. You might wonder how this is possible. To possess bitcoins you need a private key. From this key, you generate a public address that can be shared with anyone. Bitcoins can be sent to this address and the bitcoin network will assign them to your private key even while it is held locked away. The only time you need your private key is when you spend your bitcoins. Furthermore, you can store them on a computer that is offline. Or you could even store them entirely inside of your head if you wanted (but which I don't recommend since without a backup your bitcoins would become lost if forgotten).
There are a variety of ways to store bitcoins and how secure that storage will be is up to you.

    Lastly, bitcoins have already won the online currency war before it has even begun. They have so much momentum... so much entrepreneurial spirit behind them that even a duplicate currency with identical code
couldn't compete with them at this point. Expect to hear more about them in the future.


Here is my public address: 1P3RQHZEBa2ncLRCiw8Zm2cZNTqdbxvpNc
(please note:  in time an address like this will be changed to a more "user friendly" looking one... similar to how an email address looks).
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikipedia's yearly donation campaign; Time to accept Bitcoins? on: February 12, 2013, 05:48:21 AM
"to protect our independence we'll never run ads"

How can a company or organization be truly independent if it doesn't even accept a form of money that is more independent than all the others they accept? Hypocrites.
524  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is a Bitcoin Currently Worth to You? on: February 12, 2013, 04:38:18 AM
people have this weird idea about how much bitcoins worth......... but it goes like this. If the price has been 20 dollars for a couple days all the sudden they feel it's worth 20. if it's a thousand dollars for 3 weeks they will feel a lot differenty. There isn't a price I'd stop buying bitcoins... i'd dollar cost average even if they were 2 thousand each.
525  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's first major deflation event, and its consequences on: February 12, 2013, 01:33:04 AM


I came to the conclusion that as smart as they are, they lack critical thought to question mainstream thought. They can absorb and understand all the intricacies and theories of Keynes but they lack the conviction to question if it makes sense.



Well said.
526  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC price shooting up to $24/BTC on: February 12, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
Are people finally beginning to realize how awesome bitcoin is ? Sad   Less chance for me to buy more
527  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New to speculation, how do i report losses/gains for income tax? on: February 12, 2013, 12:38:01 AM
yeah but what if you end up funneling money from bitcoin gains back into your bank? wouldn't the IRS know about it? btw isn't capital gains tax cheaper than income?

In most cases, yes: capital gains tax is preferable. The capital gains tax rate on long-term gains for 2011 returns in the US was 15%; this is being increased to 20% in tax years after 2012 (however, it will be 0% for taxpayers in the 10-15% tax brackets). Short-term capital gains are generally taxed at the ordinary tax rate of the taxpayer.

The IRS doesn't monitor the bank accounts of taxpayers, so they wouldn't know whether or not the taxpayer is funneling money back and forth. However, the IRS will require documentation of trading activities in the event of an audit. In that situation, the IRS can request bank statements for income verification (I have two clients now who are in a similar situation).

Generally speaking and in theory, you can claim whatever the hell you want on your taxes: you just need to be able to back it up when the IRS starts poking at it. And the more "extreme" (or for a more accurate term, questionable) your claims are, the more likely the IRS is going to grab the pokin' stick. Tongue

And it's important to remember this too: when the IRS audits a return, they audit the full return. So if the IRS looks at one thing on a return and they feel it's a questionable claim, they could audit the return and find out about something else entirely.

For example: a delivery driver has $2,000 in cash tips that he doesn't claim on his return, but he does claim mortgage interest reported on a 1098 in the amount of $10,000. The IRS reviews the return and they think the mortgage interest claimed is more than it should be. They audit the full return and notice the $2,000 worth of deposits to discover that the taxpayer didn't claim those tips. The taxpayer will end up owing more taxes, and possibly a tax penalty.

With cash and coins (both US and Bit), it's up to the individual on whether or not to report them. The IRS may not notice them since it's hard to prove, but they may find out about them if they noticed something else.

The difficulty with Bitcoin is knowing what it should be classified as. As I said before, there are no definitive tax laws regarding them at this point. If someone wants to play it safe, I would recommend they report Bitcoins received as payment for goods or services converted to USD as other income on line 21, and profit/loss from Bitcoin trading as capital gains and losses.

so basically all I have to do to get the 0% capital gains is make less than 36k or become unemeployed? technically capital gains wouldn't take effect till you actually exchanged btc back into dollars right?
528  Bitcoin / Project Development / Bitcoin desperately needs a real estate company on: February 11, 2013, 06:00:13 PM
There needs to be a way to use some of the wealth that bitcoins represent. If someone could purchase real estate with bitcoins... it would be huge. A good thing for everyone. But how can it work? Most people can't afford to buy a house outright so they take loans to pay it over time.

I can think of a couple of ways... but I don't know a lot about real estate so please jump in..........

1.  The bitcoin real estate company or bank.... acts as a long term escrow holder of the deed to the house. The seller........ gives the deed to the company. The company monitors and tracks the payments of the buyer to the seller. If anything goes wrong with the buyer.... then the company works it out in slight favor of the seller (to not encourage foreclosure for instance) . This means that the seller of a house doesn't get the full value of their house at once... but slowly over time. as if they were the bank.

2. second way....... the bitcoin company actually buys the deed with bitcoins... and accepts bitcoins as payment. I'll finish this and edit it later I have to go at the moment.
529  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New to speculation, how do i report losses/gains for income tax? on: February 11, 2013, 09:46:30 AM
yeah but what if you end up funneling money from bitcoin gains back into your bank? wouldn't the IRS know about it? btw isn't capital gains tax cheaper than income?
530  Other / Beginners & Help / If one was to use armory... what hardware would you recommend? on: February 11, 2013, 08:33:30 AM
would you recommend a netbook? what netbook would you recommend?
531  Economy / Speculation / Re: [poll]greater significance.. breaking old high or reaching silver parity? on: February 11, 2013, 07:03:44 AM
Had to say breaking the old high for "us" aka BTC fans and people into the currency on this forum.  But yeah I'll agree for the world at large, once it gets around or beyond silver is hopefully a huge awakening to it.

Imagine the article headline.....

"New virtual currency now worth more than 1oz Silver"
532  Economy / Marketplace / Escrow service? on: February 11, 2013, 06:44:50 AM
are escrow services free? are there any professional ones? if one was to use the marketplace to sell should they be using an escrow service? (what about bitmit... if you select escrow as yes... who is the escrow?)
533  Economy / Speculation / Re: [poll]greater significance.. breaking old high or reaching silver parity? on: February 11, 2013, 06:42:10 AM
Breaking the silver price will blind-side many PM bugs who have, until now, seen only metals as an alternative to collapsing fiat.

IMHO there are several million savers and investors who will suddenly pay attention to bitcoin, learning what it is, and what its doing. Some will realize that they need a percentage of their portfolio in this new technology. That *some* will be enough to make major waves in the BTC price...

I have the same line of thought.   Sure the price of bitcoins may have doubled in a short time... but that doesn't mean you can invest say 5 million and get the price to double and somehow make a 5 million profit. there isn't enough volume. BUT....... there is much more volume than a year ago. So greater profits are now possible. And that will just attract more investors.... just the sheer volume. We might be seeing thousands of people investing 50k at a time or something simply because the market is starting to handle that kind of wealth.
534  Economy / Speculation / [poll]greater significance.. breaking old high or reaching silver parity? on: February 11, 2013, 06:20:39 AM
wouldn't it be interesting if bitcoin not only broke silver's price per ounce per btc but maintained that?

It seems to me that a lot of people think "backed" currencies are great because they give those currencies value. A backed currency might be great but only because it prevents excessive and free printing. The value comes not from what it's backed by. That's my opinion.
535  Economy / Speculation / Re: If you had 10 million to invest... how much would you invest in btc? on: February 11, 2013, 06:09:08 AM
really, nobody said how they would invest in bitcoin ?




ianbakewell did.......   and I actually agreed. I'd probably invest 1.5 mil in bitcoins  1.5 mil in development of a bitcoin business and I would invest another 1mill for every significant price drop. If it drops to 20... 1 mil. if it drops to 15.. another 1 mill. or something like that
536  Bitcoin / Mining / The Thash rate looks to be creeping up on: February 11, 2013, 05:34:05 AM
I could be wrong since I don't follow the network that closely but it looks like it's gaining some momentum. Asics here we come?
I ordered one from BFL  Sad
537  Economy / Speculation / Re: What if it just doesn't go down again? on: February 10, 2013, 11:37:38 PM

For the price to continue to go up, there has to be a continueing inflow of money into Bitcoin. Bitcoin will find a natural price range within this halving, where some of the long term investors will dump some of their Bitcoins.

As prices get higher, small investors only able to buy a few Bitcoins, Don't have anyway of making money off 1-2 Dollar swings in price, so new investors has to be of a more serious size, investing a few thousands first time they get into Bitcoin.

So from a pure scalability point of view, The inflow in Dollar has to increace exponentially and every next generation of investors has to invest an amount the same magnitude larger as the previous price increase.

So two conditions has to be met for the price to increase forever. Each of the two conditions mentioned, has a natural breaking point, so you will see a Bitcoin crash in your life time, don't worry!



There is a constant growing flow of money into bitcoin. the only question is........ when these holders of larger sums of bitcoins sell them.. is their money going to come back in or are they out for good? I bet a major portion will just get fed back into the whole system.
538  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoins, drugs, and long range drones on: February 10, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
btw....... I don't mean typical miniature drones I mean ones capable of carrying some kind of payload. Maybe they don't exist yet. But I can see the drug trafficking evolving to have "smaller" transportations but of greater frequency.  Or maybe not..... maybe they are easily shot down or whatever. Maybe there won't be a drone capable of delivering any "bulky" amount of drug due to the mass/weight and distance
539  Other / Off-topic / Bitcoins, drugs, and long range drones on: February 10, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
will we ever see drug traffickers deliver drugs across country borders with long range drones and accept payment in bitcoins?
it seems like removing people from the transactions would be a good idea. Just saying........
540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why this is not a bubble on: February 10, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
I can't say if you are right or not but I will say this is exactly why I'm back "in" bitcoin again. I really liked bitcoin a year ago but I didn't buy any simply because I didn't see it being used enough. But this kind of growth? Where will we be in 2 more years? I'm pretty sure the value in 2 years has to be more than it is now.
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