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521  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: labcoin lawsuit on: January 18, 2014, 10:00:45 PM
anyone here already sent their info to the lawyer?  want to make sure i'm not the only one sending sensitive documents (copy of passport) to a person i've never met...

Sent  Undecided
Has anyone checked them out at all?

I did a quick amateurish check - it really is the National Bar Council's website, the email there matches the one in Virtualspade's message (I was a little concerned there were only 2 Google hits for the work email we were given, & it doesn't match the one on their web page, but that's probably just to prevent spam) that entry is the only one with that name showing up in a search for Brescia, and that Brescia, the name, address etc. match that on the lawyer's web page, which has enough links to it to look legit, and their address looks on google maps like there would be a real law firm there. But I was hoping at least one other person would check them out a little before sending their passport and trading history...
522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Nothing (NTH) is announced (31/12/2013) on: December 31, 2013, 12:48:28 PM
Nothing is worth selling all your bitcoin for.

Nothing will stop bitcoin, Nothing can beat bitcoin!

Nothing can save fiat and when the dust settles, Nothing will be worth more than bitcoin.
523  Bitcoin / Press / Re: This is not exactly approval from Goldman-Sachs, but it's getting close... on: December 30, 2013, 04:43:50 PM
524  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: December 30, 2013, 04:31:39 PM
Any G.AsicMiner-PT shares held by any of TF's known accounts are currently not claimable.
As far as what will be done with these shares, I do not know yet. Looking over the history of the shares they are in a very questionable state.
TF had multiple accounts. I will probably hand the shares to FriedCat to work it out because the AM asset needs to be wrapped up.

-Ukyo

Thank you for responding. I don't know how others feel, but I'd be happy with this as long as FriedCat is happy to pass the shares or their liquidated values to their rightful owners. An asset list already exists that could be used for this purpose (see below).

Has anyone else had any luck getting a response out of Friedcat?

Quote
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525  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: December 27, 2013, 11:03:05 PM
Ukyo is about to open a portal for the withdrawal of asicminer shares in bitfunder. I think it's likely that TF still has our shares in bitfunder.

I wrote to Ukyo asking him not to allow TF to withdraw his shares. You might want to ask him as well.
I messaged him on December 14th. He's failed to respond. So has Friedcat.

The shares belong to the holders of BTCINVEST. What action could be taken if Ukyo and Friedcat, in full knowledge of this, allow TF to transfer and sell our shares?
526  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: December 13, 2013, 12:58:25 PM
Which of these assets can be seized from TradeFortress by their issuers since he appears to be trying to steal everything from BTCINVEST investors? For example, would friedcat help seize the 260 directly held ACICMINER shares if they have not already changed hands?
I expect they'll be liquidated long before now, but it can't hurt to ask. AsicMiner & Just-Dice are the biggest holdings, I've sent their owners a message asking for help.

Dooglus of Just-Dice is the first to respond:

Hi.

You're the first to ask about this.

I had his investment (of somewhere between 400 and 500 BTC) locked to prevent him withdrawing or gambling it, so that if he defaulted on the coins he was holding in inputs.io I could get them back.

When inputs.io was hacked and lost some 42 BTC of Just-Dice funds, I took the 42 BTC from his account to cover the loss, as arranged.  He asked to withdraw the rest, and I let him, after disabling inputs.io deposits on Just-Dice.

In short, Just-Dice no longer has any of TF's coins.

Here are the relevant withdrawals from his account:

Code:
Tue Nov  5 00:35:33 2013 {"amount":42.3125,"address":"manual debit","txid":"","eid":235197}
Tue Nov  5 05:45:08 2013 {"amount":435.63309788,"address":"15kFtLh4WPBXKuTGAcK6Ae33Te1dpJ7Ccu","txid":"0e216a7cd90a782d26d7b6f965f334be2759e7c1053b2d98890f27d6a1e74652","eid":235590}

This is unfortunate to say the least, but in Dooglus' defense it was around a time when TradeFortress was still responding and making some limited repayments, and at least we have a clearer view now of the situation. I've thanked him for his quick response and left it at that.
527  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: December 12, 2013, 09:51:10 PM
Which of these assets can be seized from TradeFortress by their issuers since he appears to be trying to steal everything from BTCINVEST investors? For example, would friedcat help seize the 260 directly held ACICMINER shares if they have not already changed hands?
I expect they'll be liquidated long before now, but it can't hurt to ask. AsicMiner & Just-Dice are the biggest holdings, I've sent their owners a message asking for help.
528  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Expo London Sat Nov 30th UK on: December 04, 2013, 11:00:07 AM
Very dark video of panel discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6rF7lVeog
Not showing. "This video is private."
529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll to switch over to mbtc on: November 27, 2013, 05:01:42 PM
mbtc does not roll of the tongue, bitcoin does.

I suggest finding a simpler word for mbtc.

Mitts. As in, "your PlayStation 4 will cost 400 mitts".

Please consider µBTC.

Mikes. As in, "your PlayStation 5 will cost 400 mikes".
530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: November 22, 2013, 12:10:42 AM
I'd wager that by the time we get to the 'fall' part; neither this forum nor any of the past or present posters in this thread will still be around to discuss it.
You mean, besides the ones rich enough to get cryopreservation?
Immortality = 40 Bitcoins at current exchange rates (Cryonics Institute). Cool
531  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN] on: November 20, 2013, 12:40:01 AM
There are also a bunch of accounts that never did a withdrawal, so for those I am likely going to put together a donation to the Bitcoin Foundation or something similar.

Please consider donating some to intelligence.org. Their address is 1BszW45pwXx7d7g4x9Xxbs9MGJEQcJsd3v

It's important to build extraordinary safety measures into smarter-than-human AI as it may impact billions of lives. Unfortunately, immediate economic incentives tend to favor the incremental development of algorithms that are not particularly transparent, robust, or stable.

MIRI are working to promote safety and rationality in this field. Their mission is to ensure that the creation of smarter-than-human intelligence benefits humanity.
532  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: November 13, 2013, 04:24:12 PM
TO TRADEFORTRESS

Really not comfortable creating a coinlenders account considering inputs.io was recently attacked.

Why can't BTCINVEST send coins directly to our various addresses already provided to Bitfunder? This would eliminate all the hassle of setting up a Coinlenders account.

This.

The cynical amongst us might suggest that TF intended or intends to use the BTCINVEST funds to fill the hole in the inputs.io wallet.  Or worse, let your imagination do its worst and I doubt you'll come up with a theory that hasn't been already thought of.

TF has promised an update within a week I believe.  All we can do right now is wait and see.

If he's done something dodgy with the BTCINVEST funds then legal action may be worth investigating. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that,  and the lack of communication is merely due to him trying to get through this mess. But forcing us to sign up for an inputs.io account to claim our funds makes me feel uneasy.

Indeed. Also, unlike inputs.io and Coinlenders, there was no "nothing is real" disclaimer for BTCInvest. BitFunder said: "We (BitFunder) do not accept responsibility for anything." but that doesn't cover TradeFortress, and even if it did, BTCInvest was promoted in other places. And promoted as an investment fund, with everything that entails.
533  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: November 13, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
Here's the summary & description from BitFunder for posterity in case the site dies completely, with the OP thrown in for good measure:

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Low Risk Bitcoin Investment fund

In summary, BTCINVEST is a fund that solely invests in BTC-denominated low risk investments. (No USD or currency risk). We pick investments and assets that are unlikely to be affected by BTCUSD movement, so that even during rallies btcinvest is more profitable.

The fund will place timely bids at 95% of the NAV. Holding bitcoins does not earn bitcoins, and the spread will go towards the fund. New shares of the fund will be priced at or slightly above NAV.

Reports will be published every 2 weeks, and dividends may be paid (or they will be reinvested in the fund, providing more growth).

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BTCINVEST is a bitcoin investment fund since January 2013. It's managed by TradeFortress on Bitcointalk, and we invest in a mix of assets and loans - those that would be unlikely to be effected by BTCUSD movements.

Bids will be placed at 95% of the NAV of the fund. We will keep placing bids as a way to exit the fund. Plus, the 5% spread is profit to current holders.
Asks will be placed at the NAV or a bit slightly above it.

Don't forget that you can place offers on the orderbook too.

Keep in mind that not all of the income will be paid as dividends. Some or most may be reinvested in the fund, providing growth, and there is a 10% management fee.

See our forum thread!

BTCINVEST does not offer any investments to US citizens or residents. If you are a citizen or reside in the United States of America, you are prohibited from purchasing any shares of BTCINVEST.

What's BTCINVEST?

BITINVEST/BTCinvest is a low risk investment fund listed on BitFunder with as least exposure to BTCUSD as possible. The goal of the fund is to deliver great returns <i>without losing money</i> in risky investments.

The structure has recently being changed to a fund (instead of a bond with a fixed face value of 0.1 BTC/share).

BTCINVEST is 100% transparent. Every two weeks, we'll publish a report including our current holdings.

BTCINVEST will maintain timely bids at 95% of the NAV. For more information please see the description on BitFunder.

https://bitfunder.com/asset/BTCINVEST
534  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: November 07, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
There are two ways TF could do this.
1) Let deposits to inputs.io take the full loss and BTCINVEST/Coinlenders depositors get a "full refund".
2) All who deposited/invested in any of TF's services get a equal haircut.

From what I hear some Coinlender depositors have gotten a partial refund, so things are not looking good for BTCINVEST investors.

There's no equivalence between BTCINVEST investors and Coinlenders/inputs.io investors. Coinlenders investors at least chose to use the site. BTCINVEST investors didn't decide that the coins should go on Coinlenders. TradeFortress unilaterally made that decision, days after the hack had already happened, and made the transfers starting a week after the hack.
535  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: November 07, 2013, 03:43:57 PM
Everyone who has lost money will be fully reimbursed.

It looks like TradeFortress has gone back on this for inputs.io users, but even so our bitcoins shouldn't be affected as it was his own decision to put those coins in CoinLenders, and to do so after the hack happened:

If 4100 BTC were stolen, which address were they sent to?

Publish the blockchain info for the stolen coins, otherwise it's safe to assume there were no stolen coins.

Here you go.

http://blockchain.info/tx/9536feebe3a50b94f85ca27d56e669a7209bd4188385d55c5b97227c95cf7f74

The stolen coins are still unspent in https://blockchain.info/address/1EMztWbGCBBrUAHquVeNjWpJKcB8gBzAFx

Transaction date 23rd October, over a week before the first liquidation payout was made to Coinlenders, and 3 days before the liquidation was even announced:

BTCINVEST Claims / Liquidation

First of all, I apologize for the lack of communication in regards to BTCINVEST. I did not wish to make any premature announcements. A decision has been made to appropriately liquidate BTCINVEST's assets and distribute the total to shareholders. The liquidation process will be done through CoinLenders for ease of distribution, as well as verification

Given that, and that it was at TradeFortress's insistence despite protests that it be done through CoinLenders, failure to honor it in full would be so unambiguously indefensible it would act as a "smoking gun" on the whole episode. There would be no two ways about it. No-one could reasonably defend him, and trusted members of the community (apparently Casascius is one) who have his personal details, or the ability to help find him, would be under severe pressure to reveal them to protect their own reputation. I don't think it's likely he'd make this happen.
536  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: November 06, 2013, 05:41:13 PM
Hello I'm currently making a list of shareholders who might be interested in starting legal action against LABCOIN.

You can check it here

I've been in contact with a lawyer and he said that we have to gather more people to reduce the cost of the action and increase the "gravity" of the crime, so the more we are, the more this will get serious attention and hence consequences.

Please consider sending me a PM stating the amount of shares you CURRENTLY own and/or add a comment in the document above.

Getting lawyers involved is a sure fire way to not get anything back. After their fees what are you going to get back? Jack shit.

IANAL, but surely the guilty party would be ordered to cover our legal expenses in addition to the damages, rather than those fees being deducted from any damages.
537  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: November 06, 2013, 05:35:20 PM
Waiting for transaction being processed from coin lenders to inputs.io for two days. Still no Bitcoins transferred.

This is the case for other Coinlenders users too since inputs.io was hacked. Hopefully there'll be an update in the Coinlenders thread soon. TradeFortress has promised everyone who has lost money will be fully reimbursed.
538  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: October 30, 2013, 12:28:14 PM
The passthrough on Havelock is consistently selling for about three times the price of the actual stock.

Seriously, WTF?
539  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily on: October 26, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
TradeFortress has announced that the Great debt owned by BTCInvest is not being honored, and that as well as the lost bitcoins it's making necessary extra complications & verification requirements in the liquidation process for BTCInvest's 147 investors.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg3412811#msg3412811

Please could you respond. Thanks.
540  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Ukyo.Loan - Paying 0.05% daily. on: October 26, 2013, 01:09:49 PM
TradeFortress has announced that the Ukyo debt owned by BTCInvest is not being honored, and that as well as the lost bitcoins it's making necessary extra complications & verification requirements in the liquidation process for BTCInvest's 147 investors.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg3412811#msg3412811

Please could you respond. Thanks.
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