MORE Zhores Alferov (1930–): Belarusian, Soviet and Russian physicist and academic who contributed significantly to the creation of modern heterostructure physics and electronics. He is an inventor of the heterotransistor and the winner of 2000 Nobel Prize in Physics.[1][2] Hannes Alfvén (1908–1995): Swedish electrical engineer and plasma physicist. He received the 1970 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). He is best known for describing the class of MHD waves now known as Alfvén waves.[3][4][5][6] Philip W. Anderson (1923–): American physicist. He was one of the recipients of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1977. Anderson has made contributions to the theories of localization, antiferromagnetism and high-temperature superconductivity.[7] François Arago (1786–1853): French mathematician, physicist, astronomer and politician.[8] Svante Arrhenius (1859–1927): Swedish scientist and the first Swedish Nobel Prize winner.[9][10] MOST SCIENTIST will not believe in RELIGION.. Because your not a very good scientist.. A man like being went ZAP and everything was so I DON'T THINK SO.. So now you make your own god up because of science you know a man like being cannot make this planet in 6 days.. So know what will you make up your god can do..Well you made him or it or her up.. so what can your made up god do .. The bible god can make EARTHS in 6 DAYS .. What can your made up god do SPLIT THE MOON  .. So why is your thinking of god different to another person thinking of god.. If god is so real then sure to GOD he would tell you all the same?.. Yes he wrote a bible BUT you don't believe in it ?.. You do? so was the earth made in 6 DAYS? and woman from a mans rib.. Well so now you don't believe MAKE YOUR MINDS UP..  Oh you have made your minds up you made another god that is different to other peoples gods.. So now you are a blasphemer .. You believe in god because you have been told something will happen to you if you don't .. Control religion ..Don't go under a ladder and guess what many people will not walk under a ladder .. RELIGION WAS ALL ABOUT CONTROL.. And as you can see it can control you so easy .. Are you after a ticket into candy floss skies ?.. Or scared to burn forever.. Brainwashed to have a consequences if you don't believe.. Just like my little boy drawing over my cave i told him about the THUNDER MONSTER so he will be CONTROLLED to behave in a certain way TO BE GOOD.. Now you be good and donate to the preacher and he will give you a ticket so you don't burn forever.. All the good scientist were believers and im already zillion time a better scientist than you lol Nobody know about any of those name lol Talk about believe or die in soviet union lol And again im not into the God thunder, you are the one who brainwash your Kids with this. Maybe you are a repressed vicar who would like to brainwash people with make believe story about science. I already demonstrated your ignorance of the topic in the previous post. |
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DARWIN he wouldn't even walk in a church he waited outside for his wife.
Just start with the first one to show how religious you are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_DarwinCharles Darwin had a non-conformist Unitarian background, but attended a Church of England school.[1] With the aim of becoming a clergyman he went to the University of Cambridge for the required BA degree, which included studies of Anglican theology. He took great interest in natural history and became filled with zeal for science as defined by John Herschel, based on the natural theology of William Paley which presented the argument from divine design in nature to explain adaptation as God acting through laws of nature. http://hollowverse.com/nikola-tesla/The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.5 Not even continuing the list, but do your own research instead of being into your religious beliefs about science. Even newton that is often considered as parangon of atheism spent years studying the bible. Maybe there is one or two there & there who were 100% atheist, but all the most significant ones were believers. Believing in god a'd studying the bible doesnt mean siting in a church listening to a "vicar". |
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The EARTH knows how to move knowing one part will flood and the other part will dry out ..
Meaning 1 part drowns and the other part as drought nothing lives because it's so dry ..
Go and look at the earth you can see the earths water movements ..
Know imagine what i say is all lies WHICH they could well be and i am talking bullshit BUT what if i say
is the truth and the EARTH tells me things and at the moment it's not very happy because we suck EARTH BLOOD < oil and spray the earth with all sorts of chemicals and it's not very happy ..
Do you want to take a chance i am wrong OR think lets save this MASSIVE ORGANISM because if we do it saves us from dying ..
But imagine if nothing will happen to the earth and we just been to paranoid just think of all the
sciences we will discover and what we will be able to do in the future by just being paranoid
by the thought we need to save this PLANET or get of this planet and save ourselves..
Just the paranoid thoughts will help us get over the what ifs ..
SO now ask yourself this do we need to save the planet YES or NO?
And how did we evolve from this EARTH yes or no?..
Now any sane person would say yes we need to save this planet ..
Even if you think in someway it doesn't need saving THINK for 1 second the sciences you are throwing in the bin that could be discovered ..
Yes some sciences will be a waste of time BUT how many discoveries come by accident ?..
But why would you want people to think god can do it all ..
Well you do because all religious folk say is GOD DONE IT..
And that's it no investigation because you already made your mind up GOD DONE IT..
That's why religion slowed science down and made humans STUPID little babies
who need a FATHER I.E the VICAR to tell the babies how to act ..
And the VICAR would say god said and mention no science..
So slow progress because god does it all why bother doing anything..
I have seen midnight express, need to save the boys with the light in their eyes ! But im still rather "scientific" , I just dont see the problem with religions .. As long as they are well understood as allegories. . I never put a foot in a church, ever .. other than to visit .. I have no religion, been in scientific cursus, I probably know more about science than you lol No Prophet needed a vicar to tell them what to write  If you have a psychological blocks with god you can call it logos, or the form of Good, or the light .. Religion and science really are the same thing, and no religion say to just follow a vicar .. If anything it's more "science" who become repeat what the teacher or the university vicar says .. Again most of the big scientist were believers. . All scientific progress were made by people who believed in god .. I can show you the whole list, there is really few of them who were atheist lol Again most of the big scientist were believers. WRONG.. They had to believe or die.. So if they BELIEVED why question then?.. Why question what your PROPHETS or BIBLES tell you if you BELIEVED ...? Obviously they never believed because just to even question god was a SIN.. What you saying god never made woman from rib blasphemer.. Now if you believed why would you just not think a woman was made from a mans rib.. Because you don't.. You know because of SCIENCE because of the DOUBTERS that all in the BIBLE is wrong genesis 6 days and 7th day rest .. noah ark 2 by 2 and every animal on this planet .. So did they really BELIEVE no they never just had to because some NUTTER would kill you for going against gods words.. So many many scientist had to believe or die and plus many many believe because they think they get a second go at LIFE .. Basically scared to upset a pretend god in case they don't get a second go.. Bit like magpies 1 for sorrow .. Don't go under a ladder .. We used to die so young so i can imagine people needed religion to think well i get a second go.. BUT now in the 21st century most old people have had enough BONES HURT and what not.. Go and ask most old people will say cannot wait to go  .. When in 90s and cannot hardly move death is what you cannot wait for it's ever lasting sleep.. NO PAIN just sleep.. But many years in the past average age 40s .. OH i need more life well god will give you some for a donation.. And today look what religion owns by all the donations and all because your a PUSSY  .. Ok then show me that you actually know what you are talking about. Name one scientist who made actual progress who was not believer . Otherwise it mean you are the one being religious with a priori told by XX at school or idk where. Again, I never been to a church, never been to a mass, im not baptised , never gave a cent to any religion, never listened to a vicar ( actually to be honest I have no idea what a vicar is). See you are the one who is full of a priori and religion. And it's not about belive or die. When you actually study the history, and not being brainwashed by a priori, you see their belief in god was very important to the life they dedicated to research, even if they had to struggle with catholic church, and actually mostly because of the Aristotelian part of st Augustin which not really the "spiritual aspect of it". |
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It's pointless to argue with people that believe in supernatural and gods.
See what is supernatural about the EARTH being alive?.. How do you know it's not alive?..Being alive is NATURAL .. So now go outside put your hand to the EARTH and say i am sorry for doubting you OH GREAT ONE.. The earth told me to tell everyone .. RECYCLE your plastic and invent something that biodegrades .. stop sucking earth blood and invent something that doesn't pollute the earth for energy .. look after the ANIMALS and the plant life and the sea life and EVERYTHING WILL BE OK until we make or seed new worlds .. It's what we do we are human seeds to spread amongst the stars .. AM I CRAZY or is there a method to my MADNESS? .. That the story of shinra and mako energy It's a good story They explain this story here : https://youtu.be/Qp9i4hFRH0UIm already on this one |
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The EARTH knows how to move knowing one part will flood and the other part will dry out ..
Meaning 1 part drowns and the other part as drought nothing lives because it's so dry ..
Go and look at the earth you can see the earths water movements ..
Know imagine what i say is all lies WHICH they could well be and i am talking bullshit BUT what if i say
is the truth and the EARTH tells me things and at the moment it's not very happy because we suck EARTH BLOOD < oil and spray the earth with all sorts of chemicals and it's not very happy ..
Do you want to take a chance i am wrong OR think lets save this MASSIVE ORGANISM because if we do it saves us from dying ..
But imagine if nothing will happen to the earth and we just been to paranoid just think of all the
sciences we will discover and what we will be able to do in the future by just being paranoid
by the thought we need to save this PLANET or get of this planet and save ourselves..
Just the paranoid thoughts will help us get over the what ifs ..
SO now ask yourself this do we need to save the planet YES or NO?
And how did we evolve from this EARTH yes or no?..
Now any sane person would say yes we need to save this planet ..
Even if you think in someway it doesn't need saving THINK for 1 second the sciences you are throwing in the bin that could be discovered ..
Yes some sciences will be a waste of time BUT how many discoveries come by accident ?..
But why would you want people to think god can do it all ..
Well you do because all religious folk say is GOD DONE IT..
And that's it no investigation because you already made your mind up GOD DONE IT..
That's why religion slowed science down and made humans STUPID little babies
who need a FATHER I.E the VICAR to tell the babies how to act ..
And the VICAR would say god said and mention no science..
So slow progress because god does it all why bother doing anything..
I have seen midnight express, need to save the boys with the light in their eyes ! But im still rather "scientific" , I just dont see the problem with religions .. As long as they are well understood as allegories. . I never put a foot in a church, ever .. other than to visit .. I have no religion, been in scientific cursus, I probably know more about science than you lol No Prophet needed a vicar to tell them what to write If you have a psychological blocks with god you can call it logos, or the form of Good, or the light .. Religion and science really are the same thing, and no religion say to just follow a vicar .. If anything it's more "science" who become repeat what the teacher or the university vicar says .. Again most of the big scientist were believers. . All scientific progress were made by people who believed in god .. I can show you the whole list, there is really few of them who were atheist lol Pythagoras was believer Plato was believer Gallileo was believer Kepler was believer Al jaber beliver Planck was believer Einstein was believer Newton was believer Liebniz was believer Telsa was believer Da Vinci believer Reiman believer Most mathematicians were believers .. Only narrow minded materialists in grip with their hierarchy who never get anywhere else than meaningless carrer are not believers lol Actually find one scientist who was not believer lol |
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It's pointless to argue with people that believe in supernatural and gods.
It's pointless to argue with people who think they know everything .. |
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Scientists just took a major step toward making life from scratch - The ... https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/27/.../first-functional-eukaryotic-chromosome27 Mar 2014 - Although scientists have previously been able to construct viral DNA ... "We didn't make a carbon copy of an existing chromosome," says Jef . New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic ... https://www.sciencealert.com/new-organisms-have-been-formed-using-the-first-ever-... 24 Jan 2017 - "We've made this semisynthetic organism more life-like," said ... "Our X and Y are unlike natural DNA, so nature has nothing close to start with. Do you AGREE that we evolved on this PLANET yes or no .. Makes no difference how the earth got here DID WE evolve from this EARTH?.. Well then that is EVOLUTION ..And then we theorise how we got here .. BUT the starting point is we was made by the EARTH .. We are not asking how the EARTH got here we are asking how a human got here and we got here because the earth put us here .. A massive living organism like many billions spread across this vast universe .. THE UNIVERSE IS TEAMING with life.. We are baby steps we would be walking properly only for religion stopping us from being BABIES.. Earth, Jupiter, mars, Uranus or other I doubt we were created in deep space in the middle of nowhere 3 millions km between two galaxies but after all ... Im open to all theories, but it's not newton who will explain the miracle |
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Ok so how did we get here then YOUR GUESS .. It's not the same who make robocops, robocop is the dark side of the force .. All the religions agree, we have been made by being of light ! |
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THE EARTH HAS FEELINGS ..And you just upset it .. Is it because I peed on it ?  No pee is good if your FRENCH You see me relieved I thought it was my fault ! |
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There was a theory like this in ghost in the shell with level of entropy between original yin/yang, to atoms, to planets, to life, with planets being intermediate between atoms & life , and saying it's not necessarily the bigger/more particule that create more entropy , and life is highest level of entropy But planets already have high level of entropy with magnetic field/athmosphere/ionosphere/climate |
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THE EARTH HAS FEELINGS ..And you just upset it .. Is it because I peed on it ? |
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It's the Greek who invented science as we know it.
For me the lineage is rather clear from Pythagoras, socrates, euclid , plato, philo, jesus.
The light century mostly resurected this with addition from Islamic world.
The supposed fight between religion and science in occident is mostly the fight between free mason against catholic and mostly politic more than really philosophic or theoric.
The only real new thing started with planck einstein reiman & co, and it's not even really that revolutionary from euclid & zeno.
And gallileo already picked the glitches that lead to relativity.
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You are so good! Now say the rest of it. Start with no natural selection (Gotta be sentient to select.). Finish with... come on, say it... GGGGG... OOOOO... DDDDD.  It can be seen as gaia but it's only one half of the thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology) In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə/ or /ˈɡaɪ.ə/ from Ancient Greek Γαῖα, a poetical form of Γῆ Gē, "land" or "earth"[1]), also spelled Gaea, is the personification of the Earth[2] and one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia is the ancestral mother of all life: the primal Mother Earth goddess. She is the immediate parent of Uranus (the sky), from whose sexual union she bore the Titans (themselves parents of many of the Olympian gods) and the Giants, and of Pontus (the sea), from whose union she bore the primordial sea gods. Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was Terra.[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus_(mythology) Uranus (/ˈjʊərənəs/ or /jʊˈreɪnəs/; Ancient Greek Οὐρανός, Ouranos [oːranós] meaning "sky" or "heaven") was the primal Greek god personifying the sky. His name in Roman mythology was Caelus.[2] In Ancient Greek literature, Uranus or Father Sky was the son and husband of Gaia, Mother Earth. It's still approximative in the details of the how and why though. |
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Get lost. Oh wait. You are lost already. Get "loster." On the contrary he need to be found ! |
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Everything is recycled sooner or latter if god wants Prophet Abraham’s story with the birds is one of the most turned to stories in the Quran. The theme it evokes touches the soul of all of us who seek a kind of reassurance that satisfies our natural desires for both belief and proof. The Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) asks: “My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead.” He said, “Do you not believe?” He said, “I do! But this is so my heart may be calm.” He said, “Then take four birds and draw them to you. Then place a part of them on each mountain. Then call them; they shall come to you in a rush. And know that indeed Allah is overpowering, all-wise” (Quran, 2:260). |
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And dna is made by who ? it just poped there with science which is unable to understand it ? If you know about chemistry, you know plastic is "organic chemistry". ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_synthesis ). It's made with petroleum. It's just some biological waste put together in a baking thing. It's only partially man made. Without this biologic waste in petroleum, we dont know how to do plastic from scratch. And the molecules involved with plastic is still very simple compared to dna, or most proteines. And it require minimum 200 different proteines to come up with the most simple bacteria. There 200 times more chance for a fridge to build itself up from petroleum than a bacteria. Did you ever see a fridge building itself up from your car's oil tank ? Me neither. And petroleum is already organic waste more advanced than simple molecule youd expect to find on a new planet. But of course it's perfectly sane and scientific to think something 200 times more complex could build itself up like this. There is more chance to do a sybil attack on the whole btc blockchain with your cell phone. |
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Its a bit like the plot in starcraft 2 legacy of the void with the xelnaga but I didn't finish it yet http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel%27naga"The xel'naga were the first, born within the Void. Their sacred purpose was to cultivate life and perpetuate the Infinite Cycle." - Hierarch Artanis(src) Originating from the Void,[8] the xel'naga were incredibly long-lived even by protoss standards, but not immortal; eventually their species would come to an end. In the interest of survival they planned to create new xel'naga by uplifting two species. A pair of qualities was required and these were defined by the xel'naga as purity of essence and purity of form, and each uplifted species would be targeted for one of them. Over an extraordinarily long period of time, the two species would naturally come together and merge, forming the next generation of xel'naga and beginning the cycle anew.[9] The Infinite Cycle The cycle was repeated in numerous universes; at the start of a universe's creation, the xel'naga would take on physical form and enter the universe, seeding it with life.[8] The cycle repeated so many times that time itself was affected by it.[5] |
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1. There is a force at play that we dont understand ( forget about thermodynamics ) , maybe it's too subtle for us to really see it, like relativity is almost invisible at our scale. Call it god, tao, dharma, newton of the blade of grass, or whatever.
2. There are intelligent being who created life on earth millions years ago. What is the difference between 1 and 2? 2 might imply there are some place in the universe where life formation can be explained by simple physics, due to some particular conditions. We still have to find such place. |
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Most of scientist today come to this same conclusion. Either 1. There is a force at play that we dont understand ( forget about thermodynamics ) , maybe it's too subtle for us to really see it, like relativity is almost invisible at our scale. Call it god, tao, dharma, newton of the blade of grass, monad, or whatever. 2. There are intelligent being who created life on earth millions years ago. There is not really a way to explain evolution and life dynamic with bare newton or classic mechanics. And anything based on Metaphysics/entelechy is logical dead end. All metaphysics when pushed lead to some form of monism. Or to a force beyond objects. It took 1500 years to the arab to swallow aristotle and make it monotheist, but al jabir did it. And liebniz finished the job. ( https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics/#BeiSucFirCauUncThi ). Neurology of "higher consciousness" tend to show this too. Otherwise there would be no evolutionary interest to neural plasticity. We would just have a dictionary of all objects prebuilt in our brains. Atheism as a form of Aristotelian metaphysics or naturalism is actually illogical / irrational. Metaphysics is always arbitrary, and defender of philosophy or science based on this are always defending oligarchy. http://wiki.c2.com/?ThereAreNoTypes  It's why google non determinist algorithm are more efficient than things based on preterdemined ontologies. https://youtu.be/s765wPKjNRk fat boy slim star 69 https://youtu.be/ub747pprmJ8 fat boy slim right here, right now |
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