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5201  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pocket Artillery Cannon Kills Young Boy on: January 27, 2012, 04:48:26 AM
Just proof that the gene pool has a shallow end.

"Cannon" do not take .50 cal "rounds".

Only an imbecile with a death wish would clean, play with or screw around in any way with the business end of a weapon without clearing it first. Even a "replica" weapon.

The discharge of a .50 cal. round in the end of what sounds like a 6" straight tube, based on combustion of black powder seems, highly unlikely at best, and if it did happen that way, the entire mechanism would probably cease to exist, as would much of the body the projectile came into contact with.

The average length of .50 cal. rounds currently in use in the world is about 68 mm or 2.68 inches, by 12 mm or 1/2 inch in diameter. Not seeing a 2.68 x 0.5 inch shell inside a 6" tube belies belief. That this Rhodes Scholar could somehow manage to ignite enough powder inside the same tube as this shell, without pondering the consequences is preposterous.

This might be an accident, but it wasn't a "replica 18th century mini-cannon". Too bad the parents didn't go too, so they couldn't breed any more fools.
I think you're confusing what happened... AFAIK, it wasn't an actual .50 cal round of ammunition that went off, but more likely packed black powder with a .50 cal steel ball, as is typically used with those toy canons.
5202  Economy / Speculation / Re: shit, shit, shit on: January 27, 2012, 04:37:13 AM
Just for fun, went 10:1 short @ 5.30 just now...

... with 1 BTC.   Cheesy
5203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
Maybe you could watermark the downloadable PDF files, www.phparch.com has been doing that with their issues.

It simply contains the customers name etc. at the bottom of every x page, maybe with some hidden water marks also.

Can still be given away to friends, but you cant really dump it on a torrent site without removeing all watermarks, and wondering if you got them all...

The digital buy button is greyed out, but I take its because its not ready yet ?
I would gladly pay 20$ for a DRM free PDF file, watermarked or not.
That's a good idea.  It still won't stop pirates (easy to remove any text from a PDF doc with the right software), but it would slow them down to an extent.  Fewer people will go through the trouble of sharing it online if it means they have to download PDF editing software to do it.  It'll take longer for pirated versions to get posted on torrents, etc.
5204  Economy / Goods / Re: [H] Steam Tradeable Games [W]Bitcoins on: January 26, 2012, 09:47:20 PM
Are you interested in buying games to add to your "store"?  I have a few I don't want...
5205  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like News site. Voting is based on Bitcoins! on: January 26, 2012, 09:46:40 PM
The current HOT formula is [total BTC / sqrt(time since post)] correct? This would mean something really old would be better off being reposted if there was a resurgence of interest.

It could be (payment/sqrt(time since this payment) + (payment/sqrt(time since this payment) + (payment/sqrt(time since this payment) + ...

So that if something starts getting paid a lot again it doesn't have the baggage of being old (which would just make someone make a duplicate posting anyway). In fact under the current setup (if I understand correctly) it would pay for someone to go around making copies of all content that was still getting paid but was somewhat old because their copy could get above the original somewhat cheaply and start earning the influx of new money on it.
Very good point.  +1, I agree with this formula change.  Make the time based on when payments were made, not when the post was made.
5206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 08:31:52 PM
He means he doesn't want his real name and address associated with his bitcoin addresses, which then become associated with his online profile.  I can see the reasoning behind that.

I see. So he could use green address from instawallet or mtgox. Unless of course, he's afraid that they might get subpoena to trace those transactions.
Yep, I don't see any reason that wouldn't work.  Though, you don't need a green address either.  MtGox works as a free laundering service to those who choose to use it that way.  Deposit 2 BTC, withdraw 1.1409 BTC directly to the payment address of the mag, and no one is the wiser.  The monies you deposit and the monies you withdraw come from different addresses at MtGox, so they won't be traceable going in and back out unless, as you said, MtGox gets subpoena'd or something.
5207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
I still want to buy this magazine with fiat (VISA or Mastercard).

Is there no way to do this?

I will not buy BTC online, since it can be tracked back to me, and I will not use the BTC I have, because getting new ones will link them to me, if I purchase them with Visa or mastercard or wire.

Will Barnes & Noble sell them online for fiat, and ship internationally?

This is the first time I read anyone saying that they want to use a credit card instead of btc because it's more anonymous. Really?

If it really matters that much, why don't you send the btc to your mtgox account and then withdraw the correct amount to pay for the magazine? You can even use the green address option so there's practically no way to link that payment with your deposit.
He means he doesn't want his real name and address associated with his bitcoin addresses, which then become associated with his online profile.  I can see the reasoning behind that.
5208  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Poll: Miners, what do you do with your fresh btc? on: January 26, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
You forgot an important option:  SELL.

Which is what I do with most of mine.  I have to pay the electric bill somehow, after all.
5209  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Join me in the biggest mining pool boycott Bitcoin has ever seen on: January 26, 2012, 05:24:27 PM
I mine with one of the top three pools, and whatever multisig is chosen is fine with me.  I really don't care about that particular issue, or at least, haven't yet found a reason to care.  If someone wants to give me a reason, feel free...

Regarding the issue at hand - it's really rather simple.  As soon as the leader of my pool makes a decision I don't agree with, I'll switch pools.  Until then, I am not concerned about large pools existing.

Also, lol @ Brunic's multi-language rage.  But, he does have a point.  Wink
5210  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 05:21:07 AM
Yes it will be pirated with and without DRM, but that will not prevent the Magazine for being successful.

That to me smells of speculation. If it were even remotely true, people wouldn't be using DRM in the first place.
It absolutely WILL be pirated. And there is nothing that can be done about that. Full stop.

I am actually quite anti-piracy and all for authors getting fair remuneration for their work.  I am just stating a reality.

Well we want to represent our readers just as much as we want to represent Bitcoin itself. I am weighing all the consequences and doing more research to solutions. If it's a question of "when not if" for piracy, then it's a question of "when not if" we will give it out for free. I have faith our team will always make the right decisions on these issues. I really appreciate everyone stepping up and speaking out. We need it!
I like where you're going with that.



For fun, I posted the cover on facebook, and asked people this:  "If you saw this cover of a magazine, would you be intrigued and want to look at it more closely, or just pass over it like any other magazine?"

The first comment I received was from my cousin.  For reference, she crochets and sells on etsy for extra money.  Not really the technical/computer/political type.  But, she said this:

"Before reading your comment, I read all the words on the cover that I could because I was intrigued... Does that help?"

Mission accomplished then Matthew, mission accomplished.

EDIT:  Another couple of responses...

From a different cousin's husband (farmer dude):  "now yes, 2 months ago I would have dismissed it but too many people like newt...."

From a techie friend:  "My 2 cents: This cover definitely scanned to me as "any other magazine". Having no connection to the publication, I have no reason to look at it beyond my usual "passing glance to check for any features or headlines with keywords I'm interested in". I'm also more inclined in this *specific* case to look past it and walk away because of a cover picture featuring a random Anon in a Guy Fawkes mask. It's a sight I've come to associate more with annoyingly disgruntled teens being idiots rather than any meaningful protest or political movements. It sets me up for an initial reaction along the lines of "Ugh, not more of this" before I even read a single word of the text on the page."
5211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 01:15:24 AM
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not suggesting you give away the digital copy for free.

Oh! I'm sorry then. That's my own ignorance probably. So you mean charge people, but give it out as a PDF or something?
Exactly that.  You'll still get sales from people who feel morally obligated to compensate others for their work (as I do), but you won't alienate support from the crowd who "uses first, then compensates based on how much they liked it".  The pirates will pirate whether it is protected or not.
5212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
The fact is, I don't understand enough what "DRM" actually is. If you consider releasing the magazine as a downloadable app "DRM" just because Apple and Android could potentially control it, then I don't really know what to say, and I'll gladly stop commenting on it and let our Marketing manager Mihai Alisie give his thoughts.
By DRM, I just mean a protected format.  Anything that you have to be logged in to view, or jump through similar hoops to get to.

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If however we are talking about an issue where someone wants to download the PDF and only the PDF, and no other form will suffice, I think I'd have to give them a warm "No thank you" to their business at this particular moment. We're barely 2 weeks old as a business and I'd hate to crush us before we even start.
My fear is that many people here will just say "no thank you" right back.  I believe you would actually lose volume if you stuck with a protected format.  That is why I am advocating an unprotected PDF format.  Yes, people will pirate it, but many of those people would pirate it anyway (they will find a way around it very quickly).  But people here are generally good about supporting businesses that aim to further Bitcoin's cause, and a dedicated magazine would go straight to the top of that list as long as it's not in a protected format, since that is another big point of contention among this crowd.

Also, an unprotected format is something that would get sent around to family and friends via email.  While you might think this is a bad thing at first, the exposure to your magazine would be incredible.  For those who then become interested in the magazine at that point, you'll garner more subscriptions.  For everyone else, no revenue was lost (those friends and family members wouldn't have randomly subscribed to your magazine).  So in that sense, you have a gain to volume due to an open format, not a loss.


EDIT: Got a word down from marketing. It seems that if we are basing our income model off of advertisers such as the big boys do, releasing the digital copy for absolutely free won't be an issue, but I have been reminded that at least for the first month our entire business plan seems to be more related to individual sales.

I hope we can bring the volume up to the point that we can safely switch models. I am grateful for getting this far and I know we will only get bigger so I suppose it's only a matter of time.
I don't think it's unreasonable to release the first volume protected, then subsequent volumes unprotected.  Those who want unprotected volumes can wait a month, and knowing that an unprotected release is coming should be adequate for most of them.  In fact, that might not be a bad model to go by for future releases.  Give the magazine to the subscribers in a protected format for the first month, then give it to those same subscribers in an unprotected format afterward.  I wouldn't say give it away free to non-subscribers, as you'll miss out on sales from people who don't want to torrent things, but don't mind paying for them.  But you should be able to make all sides happy with that sort of arrangement.


I guess I can see your side of things, that it will either be a game of cat and mouse or an all-out massive surrender. Either way is fine by me-- I'm just the founder and editor. All I care about is:

If a magazine gives up DRM or simply doesn't offer the digital copy for free-- how does it provide income to cover the costs of printing the physical copies?


Everyone here understands that we're losing money the first month, right? Does everyone here know how much it actually costs to print even 200 issues of a magazine by our specifications and at 64 pages? I literally would need to be charging $40 per issue at this point to break even. Releasing a free issue is not really on the top of my mind right now. Volume is. If that volume is in the form of more free issues, that's the wrong kind of volume. lol
Yikes... $80,000 sunk in to the magazine?  That IS a lot.

Anyway, like I said above, it's all about pandering to the crowd you are targeting.  This particular crowd loves free-format files, so to avoid alienating them, you need to provide them with such.  That doesn't mean that none of them will buy it.  In fact, I believe it will be quite the opposite - you will have a lot more support, and more volume, if you offer it in an unprotected format.

Think of it like archive.org.  Likely, very few people here donated to them before they started accepting Bitcoins as donations.  When they did start accepting Bitcoin donations, they had a ton of support from folks here, to the tune of several thousand dollars worth of BTC.  Your magazine could be the same way - you won't have much support on the digital front from this crowd, unless you release an unprotected format, which people would support just because it's an unprotected format and that is rare these days.

Ok, I'm done with my soap box speeches.  I think I've said more than enough for you to understand why I think this is important.  Wink
5213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 12:17:23 AM
UPDATE: Looks like we're going to bagging the issues in plastic as well. It's not cheap, but I think it's a necessary investment on our part to keep our magazine in good condition and keep that quality level high for our readers.
Woohoo!
5214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 26, 2012, 12:15:22 AM
Why don't you just distribute it for free, or just to cover the cost of online hosting (<$0.10) and support yourselves from advertisements.
Because writers and editors (and other staff) still have to be paid, and physical publishing of the magazine has to be covered as well.

I hate to say it Matthew, because I am one of the most anti-piracy people you'll ever meet, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one, namely because the crowd you are dealing with is composed mostly of people who are outspokenly pro-piracy (libertarians and all that).  The fact is, it will be pirated no matter how much you try to protect it, and people here will be less apt to support your operation if you try to fight it.  You can already see the animosity rising in this very thread.

I would recommend that your team seriously considers coblee's suggestion.  Release it as a downloadable PDF (or in-page PDF) to paid subscribers, frown on anyone who file shares it or torrents it (make them at least feel guilty about it), and have a note inside the cover suggesting that anyone who downloaded the magazine without paying for it should send 0.5 BTC to an address you specify.  That way, you'll still have the support of EVERYONE from the community.  As it is, you've already received tremendous support from people both verbally and monetarily, and it'd be a shame to see that flushed away trying to control the materials with DRM.

You'll have my support regardless of what you decide to do, but I think a lot of the community support will drop away if you continue with the pro-DRM stance.  It's exactly the wrong crowd to market anything with DRM to.
5215  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like News site. Voting is based on Bitcoins! on: January 25, 2012, 10:47:48 PM
One thought I've had as I've been watching this site...

It feels as though "votes" of 0.001 are rather ineffective/useless when several people seem to be voting with 0.1 (or more) instead.  I mean, if a single person can give an item 100 votes, then why even vote on anything with my own coins?  It'll be ineffective unless I spent like "the big boys" do.

What's the solution?  I haven't a clue.  You can't really raise the limit, or that just alienates more people from voting in the first place.  You could just say that each individual transaction counts as one vote, regardless of how much the transaction was for, but that kind of takes some of the fun out of it, plus people would use sendmany to send a bunch of individual transactions to pop up the vote count anyway.  Plus, it would lower the site/author revenue.

Maybe have the payments upvote in an anti-exponential manner?  So a vote with 0.001 BTC counts as 0.001, but a vote with 0.009 BTC counts only as 0.003.  Or a vote with 0.250 BTC counts only as 0.050.  This would discourage higher "spending" to an extent, but not make it impossible for people who really want to push a vote up to do so.

Just some thoughts.  I don't know that there's a real good solution to the above "problem", or even that it is a problem that needs a solution, but that's just my observations.

That is a pretty good idea. I might not change the display (it is good to know the exact amount put in), but I may adjust the sorting algorithm for hot to do something like this (anti-exponent). Time is a huge factor right now as well. It is easy to spend a little to get on top of something from a day or two ago.

I am surprised that people are spending the equivalent of $1 to put dinosaur pictures up on the home page, but I like it. I was afraid it would just be ads.
This is not a good idea. Because it is impossible to prove who owns how many bitcoins, any person can split the 0.009 to 9 0.001 and send those smaller denominations. Unless a method to resolve this is developed, it probably won't work very well.
Yes, that's a good point too.
5216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 09:51:57 PM
You said it ships on Feb 1st, so we could be expecting it Feb 2nd through... Feb 9th for US customers?

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This one is scheduled for February release.

That's all I've said so far. I would never hammer it to an exact day. I learned by lesson with the BitTalk.TV Christmas Special.
Ah, my bad.  Well, I look forward to getting it sometime in February or March then.  :p

Has anyone uploaded the digital copy to a Torrent site yet?   Grin  Grin
And actually, I was curious about this Matthew - what stance will you take on piracy?  Are you fine with people sharing the digital copy with each other, knowing that it will happen regardless?  Or are you going to attempt to fight it somehow?

I don't represent everyone at the magazine or BitTalk Media with the following comment, so take this with a grain of salt.

I personally think that if we have a magazine that is easily stealable, then it deserves to be stolen. We're not going to be giving out a pdf file for example.

On another note, I believe in the power of community. The only people ripping this magazine off would be those with absolutely no money and no thought of supporting the magazine- in which case they have their reasons and I appreciate that.

There is a dangerous line between print and digital though, and I want to make sure that the actions of digital release never complicate the print release. I have no problem with giving the digital away for absolutely free-- it's the fact that we'd have no revenue to print the physical issues that would be the problem.

Whatever we decide, everyone will find out at the same time as we're planning on Android, iPhone and general Web releases as well. I am also very open to suggestions for how to handle it (please, nothing like "Pay with a Tweet") and still keep the magazine alive.
Makes sense, thanks for the response.
5217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 09:42:33 PM
Has anyone uploaded the digital copy to a Torrent site yet?   Grin  Grin
And actually, I was curious about this Matthew - what stance will you take on piracy?  Are you fine with people sharing the digital copy with each other, knowing that it will happen regardless?  Or are you going to attempt to fight it somehow?
5218  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
Look at all these unanswered posts. That's what I get for going to sleep once in a while.

First, I need to answer a serious issue in the community--- privacy.

SgtSpike is right. We could easily be a scam trying to get mailing addresses and real names of bitcoiners. And even if we're not, the security of that confidential data is extremely important is it not? Now rather than put all this on my shoulders at this moment (usually Vladimir handles our security) I will say that if you are ordering through e-Mail, your e-mail is only seen by myself, Mihai Alisie, and Google documents servers. If you are ordering through Bit-pay, it is only seen by me and Tony of Bit-pay. That should be enough but I understand if a security and anonymity conscious community requires more from me. I am absolutely all ears on this one. Any advice?


Bbit (although surely jesting) is wrong. I am not going anywhere. I enjoy trolling low standards far too much to ever leave the world of Bitcoin. I also have shared my personal, banking, address, etc information with 50+ individuals in our organization, the Digital Commerce Advancement Organization (http://dcao.org). So if I ever did something stupid, Vladimir Marchenko, Ken Armitt, Zhou Tong, Arthur Britto, Roger Ver, Stefan Thomas, Charlie Shrem, Jay Shore, Erik Vorhees, Mihai Alisie, Nuri hodges, Slush, Steven Wagner, 40+ others would not only know where I live, but they'd know exactly how to hurt me the most.


And finally, Holliday and others have brought up a good point about the bitcoins paid to us. Our printing fees are in USD, not BTC. We WILL transfer the bitcoins out to USD as soon as we receive them. Anyone who has run a magazine before will understand this without explanation. This is also why our fees are denoted in USD and not BTC.


We're really excited to provide this magazine to the public and I personally won't be getting any rest until it's done.


P.S. As a troll, I understand the dangers of letting a forum thread go without the OP constantly nurturing it. I'll be here to answer any questions, openly, honestly and transparently, even if I need to use style="opacity:0.4;".

Thanks!
I caught a contradiction!  He MUST be a scamzor!!

I wasn't even thinking about the gathering addresses and names of Bitcoiners... was more thinking about just gathering the Bitcoins themselves, from the ad purchases and prepurchases of the magazines.  But yes, I guess if you were a scammer, you could kill two birds with one stone on that one!  Get lots of BTC, plus names and addresses besides!

Anyway, I'm looking forward to receiving my copy.  You said it ships on Feb 1st, so we could be expecting it Feb 2nd through... Feb 9th for US customers?
5219  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like News site. Voting is based on Bitcoins! on: January 25, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Clever.  At least it wasn't a more malicious attack.
5220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
What if this is all a big nothing, conspired by Matthew to steal all our coins? 
well,  someone with 2876 postings of experience should be able to judge someone with 2444 postings, or not?

 Cool
No, don't count on me for it.  I am a terrible judge of people.  I'm good at catching Nigerian scammers in emails, but when it comes to someone who isn't an obvious scammer, I am far too trusting of people.

Actually, you aren't far off in your thinking lol  there is no reason to think otherwise that this is the "grand finale" for him!
Well, I certainly welcome Matthew coming in and giving more proof that the magazine is actually going to happen.  But that said, I really, seriously doubt it's a scam.  Then again, see what I wrote right above this, haha.
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