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5201  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin fair price in 2013 - A more realistic poll on: March 17, 2013, 08:36:22 PM
By using net present value analysis, I came up with the result that a bitcoin now is actually worth $2000 on average.

Very interesting.

Would you be so kind to share a bit more of the reasoning/calculation behind this outcome? Furthermore, I assume that you see $2,000 as the projected end value (and not the current value,as the text suggests)?
5202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 10/90 - how rich/poor are the forum users on: March 17, 2013, 08:25:18 AM
I foresee a lot of hard drive failures in the future....
5203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Blockchain.info wallet unusable for almost 36 hours now on: March 17, 2013, 07:55:32 AM
Thanks for the detailed info, too bad the system is so complex.

It will be addressed in the software at some point, no doubt about it. First, it needs to become a severe limitation. I learnt the hard way too with messing up a time critical payment due to hundreds of small receipts in my wallet from bitvisitor.com.
5204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: March 16, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
Yes, I was able see all command by means of command line and help flag but there does not seem to be a flag that starts (solo) mining. Tx for all your help BTW.

-gen=1 on the command line (gen for generate), or gen=1 in the config file.

The --help should have shown that but maybe didn't explain it well or something?

Got it to work, its mining now on a terrible slow speed (CPU only). All for the Devs  Kiss
5205  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-03-16 EPJ: Cyprus: IMF Goes Directly After Bank Depositor Money on: March 16, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
We need 10% of Europe's cash in Bitcoin  Roll Eyes

I hear statements like this all the time.

It sounds great, but how the fuck do we do it?

Let time do its inevitable work. That's the beauty of great idea's.
5206  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-03-16 EPJ: Cyprus: IMF Goes Directly After Bank Depositor Money on: March 16, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
We need 10% of Europe's cash in Bitcoin  Roll Eyes
5207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is competition healthy for Bitcoin? on: March 16, 2013, 09:38:21 PM
I sent some 'dust' today resulting in 100 pieces for a 0.36 BTC transfer. Took hours to complete 6 confirmations. If small payments are a problem, there is a future problem that needs to be sorted out.

I understand the concept of 6 confirmations, but preferably it remains within the 10 minutes time frame and never takes longer.
5208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 09:02:26 PM
So then its only a gamble to me  Shocked  Grin Grin

Sky is the limit.
5209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 08:22:17 PM
I admit that it's Sunny King's enthusiasm that got me convinced just to park some on my hard drive. As long as it is not open source, it's basically a gamble. To me, it is a better gamble that it concerns something new than the known spin offs of Bitcoin. A better bet than the lottery I would say.
5210  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DVC volume passes TRC and LTC on Vircurex on: March 16, 2013, 08:13:49 PM
You should have some of all those coins, especially de coins to support devs doing all the hard dev-work for us.
5211  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
With the memory of Bitcoin 2010 fresh in memory, what's to lose with exposing yourself to PPCoin for a small amount?
5212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DVC really costs 0.00000xxx? (5 zeros after dot?) on: March 16, 2013, 07:57:44 PM
My interest in Devcoin is its small existence and the prospect of devs getting rewards for development. This could potentially also benefit other crypto currencies.
5213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: March 16, 2013, 07:30:50 PM
Yes, I was able see all command by means of command line and help flag but there does not seem to be a flag that starts (solo) mining. Tx for all your help BTW.
5214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: March 16, 2013, 03:26:06 PM
I'm sorry, that too technical for me to follow. I thought it would be interesting to mine Devcoin just to see it work and play with it. If someone can explain how to solo mine in lay men's term, I would be obliged  Kiss
5215  Economy / Economics / Re: Cyprus : Most excellent for Bitcoin on: March 16, 2013, 02:20:41 PM
It is difficult to comprehend the short-sighted insanity of this decision.  Basically they are saying, stay the fuck away from our banks.  I'm not sure how you could devise a policy more likely to generate long-term instability.

QFT. There is no end to current stupidity.
5216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: March 16, 2013, 01:19:11 PM
I try to solo mine with Devcoin but this beast seems to differ from Litecoin/Bitcoin. The Daemen runs on my Windows PC but the gen=1 switch in the conf file does not matter much. The gethashespersec is still 0... ?
5217  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: March 16, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
In principle I agree, but BTC has proven to be a different market. Sideways, its a buy. Down, its a real buy, and it does not get down that often.
5218  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-03-12 Bitcoin at record high - on most german newspapers. on: March 16, 2013, 10:57:34 AM
If some country is longing for a strong currency, it would be the Germans. Weimar never again..  Sad
5219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [UPDATED] 1 FREE Terracoin TRC just post address :) on: March 16, 2013, 08:06:38 AM
Always interested: 1GWLL4L8a7v2aP34o97Fa52VvrTyXAwXD1
5220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prediction: $100 by April 31st on: March 16, 2013, 07:52:02 AM
Aah, graphs always nice.

Since there are a dozen topics on how high the price of BTC can go, I made a projection of BTC's price development in excel. The trouble with projections is...... that it is just that: projections. My sheet is full of assumptions and hand tweaking of numbers to make the graphs look nice. Having said so, let's spit out the outlines of this projection.

  • exponential average annual growth factor between 1.6 and 3.5
  • 2013 as the start of data (with $150,000 market cap)
  • S-curve type price action (meaning faster growth in the beginning and slower at the end)
  • correction in the S-curve to account for BTC inception in 2009 instead of 2013 (meaning: already in fast growth mode in 2013)
  • 5% final market cap of the current $70-80 trillion (I don't think that is unrealistic)
  • hitting $1,000: light green, $10,000: darker green, $100,000: even darker green, full market cap: green
  • 4 scenarios ranging from cautious to aggressive

Of course, none of this is scientific; its make believe  Cool Nonetheless, the better my assumptions are, the better insight of the possible price projection. Main assumption is, of course, that Bitcoin will survive all those years and will actively be developed further to accommodate trading to reach a 5% market cap.

Excel spouts out the following sheet:


The graphs that belong to the sheet:


The graphs are not that interesting. Price will reach some $180,000 in either scenario, the S-curve is obviously present in all of them (since unscientifically engineered by me) and details of our current period are lost in the small numbers until the big leap. The only thing interesting is the time frame, but that is clear from the sheet as well. Nevertheless, for the power-graph hungry people I included the graphs.

From the sheet, it appears that a slow scenario vs an aggressive scenario is 'only' 10 years. Nevertheless, if your goal is $100,000/BTC, then it makes a lot of difference whether we take the Android/Youtube/Fabecook route (very fast adaptation, 3-8 years) or the Intel/Phone/TV route ('normal' adaptation, 10-20 years).

The good news is that reaching $1,000 happens more or less at the same moment. In each scenario, the $1,000 mark is reached within the time frame 2016-2017. After that, the differences start to grow. While reaching $10,000 comes relatively fast in all scenario's, reaching $100,000 will take some time. Also in the aggressive scenario, the wait lasts until 2019. That is still 6 years away and 6 years is long in the Internet 2.0 age we're in.

What I take away from this calculation exercise:
  • even with a 5% market cap target, the rewards over time look very promising if you get in now with one single BTC
  • the real prize ($100,000/BTC) will take some time regardless of the scenario (so for those that only started in 2011 as wannabee millionaires: have patience...)
  • reaching $1,000 is a breeze and will happen soon in either scenario
  • and the final kicker: look at the aggressive scenario and think of an even more aggressive scenario......  Tongue Tongue Tongue
  • therefore: buy and hold. Keep on buying at least until $1,000/BTC

The sky is the limit.
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