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5221  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: June 14, 2016, 11:11:23 PM
My oldest is a 2kva one just under 2 years old and so far reports 100% capacity. Mine (uses always online dual-conversion) plays around cycling the batteries and applying different charge/trickle regimes to keep them happy. Don't know if their standby/AVR ones can do that but seems to wok great so far.
5222  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 10:54:22 PM
No one is going to be seeing a 7nm miner in the next 3-4 years, that's almost certain (assuming Bitcoin is still around then) because it's still at the prototyping stage, the process has to be fully engineered and characterised and that will be a majot challenge in itself.

I thought a bitcoin mining ASIC chip is pretty basic and straight forwards. Wouldn't it be wise to prototype and to calibrate the machines using mining chips since they are so simple? Just asking.
To put it in short form, ja miner ASICS could make very simple handy process targets to tinker with. The companies researching 10/7 are not about to make the process targets as for-saleable items.

The fact that IBM and friends have already done a functional mammoth count 7nm test chip says that they are way beyond needing simple targets and have to concentrate on the process and materials basics to make the process usable on a commercially viable scale.

For 1, the EUV laser based light source process is last I heard from Trumpf is still falling short of the expected target of 250w of EUV light on-target (the photo masks). Current output of the system is around 125-150w. Usable but not a profit maker. To say the least, zapping 50k per-sec 10um droplets of tin with several MW of peak power to turn into the EUV light emitting plasma and then collecting/focusing the light is no small feat. Did I mention that it is also al done under high-vacuum? Air is a very strong absorber of the wavelength produced.
5223  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: June 14, 2016, 02:21:26 AM
I should look into that for mine. At home I have a 11kw permanent genset that kick's in after ~30sec so the on-battery time is minimal but I DO like that remote power cycling. Neva thought of that.
5224  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: June 14, 2016, 01:50:02 AM
On target for price. Got mine through PCM/TigerDirect Biz. Since they have the terminals for adding additional battery packs, I wonder how they would take to using solar? They are perfectly happy running off of only DC so... Use the solar array to feed them and when the array drops below useful power, have the dry contact relay in the UPS toggle a changeover to the AC line.

Also that particular one uses an auto-switching transformer setup = 1 cycle-or more xfr time. Mine are the https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups/smart-app-online/ol3000rtxl2u that are always on line eg, converting AC to DC and then back to perfect 120VAC or whatever you program output.

edit: available in 120v and 240v flavors as well. Of course I found that out AFTER getting the 120v one and using a step-up for feeding the miner PSU's...
5225  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 01:20:59 AM
BM1380 had 8, 1382 had 64 I think, BM1384 55, BM1385 50.
Hmm. just looked at the 1385 data sheet and dinna see it spelled out. All references are singular, as in 'core'.
5226  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: June 14, 2016, 01:07:53 AM
More OT here, just checked an my s9 has left Alaska. Still says delivery on Tues but will be Wed at the worst. Got a nice shiny new Cyberpower 3kVA dual-conversion UPS hooked for it at home just a-waitin' for it Cheesy Love those things -- 0 transfer time because it's always on-line and depending on the %of max load on them, they can keep running off the line down to -60% nominal. Weighs a freakin' ton though. Sure as hell don't want any power disruptions to be taking out 14THs...
5227  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 12:53:11 AM
Ja. Silly question perhaps but how many hashing cores/engines do Bitmains chips have (or Avalon's, BitFury's)? In the 1385 data sheet they always refer to things as 'core'. Singular, not plural or more.

I believe the Monarch had 256 cores/chip or something like that. I know Inno/Bitmine.ch's A1 had "27 highly optimized hashing engines based on custom ASIC cells up to 1.6M" (quote from the A1 spec sheet). IF what they refer to as cells are actually gates (or if each cell is actually 2 gates) then that raises the count but even w/256 nearly 10x more gates it's a long way from the near 2-billion in the latest (affordable) CPU/GPU/s.

2112 wanna pop in on this? Should be right up your alley.
5228  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
As for mining ASIC's at the 10/7nm nodes: Not for a long long time. Read the articles again: The focus is on putting massive #'s of gates in the dies eg, more cpu cores, more and larger L1/2/3 caches, etc. Not fitting more chips on a wafer or dropping power needs. That implies that doing scads of chips with fewer than several billion gates just ain't worth it.

We've seen the results of ASIC companies trying to fit entire miners on just a couple huge chips and the results were not good. Even then they were talking about probably only a few million gates at most in BFL's Monarch chips for one example..
5229  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 13, 2016, 11:54:54 PM
<snip> meet the first guy that introduce the first IBM pc it was joke i was told and a bet the first day they sold out with in hours then the PC time started were we could buy affordable ones.
Ja. IBM - and Apple for the most part - had no idea what they had given birth to. For the IBM-PC it was the accountants buried in dimly lit back rooms or small store fronts that gave praise to it when the first spreadsheet program came out. One story has several breaking out in tears when they first saw how they could now tally up the books and produce records vs filling in each entry on paper and using a comptometer (adding machine) or doing the math in their heads and scribbling down the tallies...
5230  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 13, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
7nm is wild, especially when we're talking the size of nm is around 8 atoms in size (based off hydrogen atom), technology continues to impress me.

This is really impressive. On these dimensions you start to get to the point where the doping of the silicon in the channel is provided by a single phosphorous atom, and the electron's wave function is delocalized over the entire device. So, not exactly quantum computing, but kind of quantum computing.
If ya read the entire article and the link to the more detailed Ars Technica http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ one you will find that they are not using just Si.

"Creating a working 7nm chip required moving past pure silicon, IBM revealed. IBM—working with GlobalFoundries, Samsung, SUNY Polytechnic Institute, and others—carved the transistor channels out of silicon-germanium (SiGe) alloy in order to improve electron mobility at such a small scale. Intel has also said 10nm will be the last gasp for pure silicon chips."

Along those (Intel) lines, from the same Ars Technica article, " Earlier this week, a leaked document claimed that Intel was facing difficulties at 10nm and that Cannonlake (due in 2016/2017) had been put on hold. In theory, 7nm should roll around in 2017/2018, but we wouldn't be surprised if it misses that target by some margin."
5231  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Cheap and simple repair of S7 hash board on: June 13, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of what would happen if one of the fixed resistors in the DPOT reference voltage divider went bad. That would change its output. Still, was just a shot in the dark.

So problem is the PIC itself blowing?
5232  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Cheap and simple repair of S7 hash board on: June 13, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
Query: Has anyone checked to see exactly what causes the failures on these boards? Specifically, could it be from a chip resistor in the VRM circuit failing?

Reason I ask is that Bourns just put out a white paper on their sulfur-resistant resistor packages and in it they specifically mention China and India as areas where sulfur pollution (in the air) is a problem. Sulfur in the air attacks a portion of the silver plating connecting the internal resistance element with the chip terminals and can lead to the resistor cracking/simply opening. Considering that miners are often tested for a fair bit of time before shipping one has to wonder if they were ran during high-pollution alert days...
5233  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: June 13, 2016, 03:31:09 PM
DHL is cheapest to me. For 11x S9 this is a noticeable difference .

I used DHL with Avalon6  pretty good service.

I used Fedex with spondoolies   way too much paperwork.

I used fedex and UPS with bitmaintech   fedex was a tiny bit cheaper but lots more paperwork and slow.  so I did about 30 orders with ups and 1 with fedex.

Maybe it depends on how the local office handles it but with Fedex I filled out a customs form once and that was it. They would bill me then if there are fees to be paid and I can pay them at my leisure. UPS on the other hand won't give me the package until I pay, which is quite stupid. I had to get a checkbook just because of that (the driver doesn't take credit cards or cash).
Jaa I agree that UPS's way of doing it is nutz. 2x I got tripped up by the fee's due delaying a delivery but on the whole UPS has been the best for me. What I do now is check the package status on the UPS site the day before delivery. So far, if there is monies to be paid they will show that on the tracking page so I can get the payment done before the driver arrives with the miners.
5234  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hacking the S7 - improving efficiency through minor hardware manipulation on: June 10, 2016, 03:24:54 AM
One of these days I really wanna hang out at your shop.
If you are ever up here in area feel free  to stop by. Current work is to once again leapfrog ahead of what our few competitors can provide. Since the last industry jump I did back in 2007 they are slowly figuring how we do what we do so bloody fast and tiny. http://www.industrial-lasers.com/articles/2007/11/processing-ceramic-substrates.html (edit: note the article was our 1st release of Public information. In 2010 we skyrocketed speeds to now 5x those mentioned...) The LED lighting explosion going on everywhere is a direct result of what I came up with back then re: micro-machining ceramics for die heat spreaders in the emitter chips and other high power density chips. The actual emitter dies are smaller than the then-current thermal/electrical via sizes *were* back then. We shattered that limitation so more emitters in same package size. Figure another 2-3 years tops and they will be offering what we do today if they can work a way around our patents.
5235  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hacking the S7 - improving efficiency through minor hardware manipulation on: June 10, 2016, 01:31:54 AM
Actually, 4TH would be more like 1100W.
Still nice shaving of the power. More #'s for me to play with to see how much hash & 'spare' miners I can fit in my power budget.

edit: re: my free power (at work) advantage. While playing with numbers turns out I'm using 23kw there which at our rate works out to just s tad under $1,600/mo. Wink Anywho, after deducting that from what the entire farm brings in including what is at home, I'd still NET around $5k/mo. Think I might talk to my Partner about setting up an automatic Coinbase xfr to the company each mo to be nice, eh?

I can certainly afford the BTC2.7-2.8 per month and it'd help a bit towards our current massive R&D expenses piling up for this year. To date that is somewhere close to $450k and climbing fast. That's not counting the usual price of a very nice Ultrafast laser from Trumpf http://www.us.trumpf.com/en/products/laser-technology/products/solid-state-lasers/short-pulsed-lasers/trumicro-series-5000-femto-edition.html that is so far on a FREE 6/mo loan to us from them... OTH, I have nice shiny new toys to play, er, I mean do mid-Pico down to high Femto-sec time scales material interaction tests with. With a selectable choice of IR/Green/UV wavelengths no less.
5236  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hacking the S7 - improving efficiency through minor hardware manipulation on: June 10, 2016, 12:41:15 AM
Me likey. Me likey a LOT!
Considering with the 3 s7's I had planned taking off line at home (being replaced with ma s9 whenever it gets here) and the 2x batch-18 um, spares, I have. This is looking very good: After undervolting the farm to stably run ~ 4THs per miner pulling under 700w (edit, 1,100w) each would let me put most if not all the s'7s I have back online with still less than my current power budget. 'Taint ran the #'s but  methinks more THs ta boot Cheesy

Tossing a coin into the tip jar for this!
5237  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hacking the S7 - improving efficiency through minor hardware manipulation on: June 09, 2016, 01:14:19 AM
If it's a 154-chip, it's straight off the PSU with no regulation. The later 135-chip batches are regulated. As far as I know, the setpoint is not affected by the PSU voltage.
Cool
So if I dial up the output from a IBM 2kw supply another 1/10v or more, things might get interesting...

Sidenote: After the bonded T1 service at work that supplies the VOIP phones and i'net being down since ~ 7:30 this morning, as of 1 hour ago it looks like it's back up. I left 2 s5's powered up there to watch on ck pool. That outage dropped me 86.4THs for (over) 14hrs.  Cry More of a bugger is that now I just don't feeling like going 20 miles to bring it all back up. That can wait til the morning I...
5238  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Avalon 7 on: June 09, 2016, 01:01:31 AM
As I mentioned in the s9 thread but certainly more on-topic here,
<snip>
IMHO it could well be that since Canaan Creative chose to be late to the 16/14nm node they (major stakeholders) decided to take the money and retire to a nice private island somewhere. As long as their IP does now belong to an "Angel" company with it's eye on the miner market (and we don't know that yet), then cool.

Even cooler would be if Avalon has low-node designs in the works but never put to silicon. With the new ownership it opens the door to them maybe using Global Foundries and go 14nm. Nice safe location (upstate NY) and as far as I know, GF is open to all customers.

I like upstate ny.  I hope this works for all of us.
Well, excluding IBM/Intel there is only TSMC, Samsung, and GF doing 16/14nm nodes for the commercial market. With TSMC booked mainly with their 1st in line no matter what Tier-1 customers and aside from Samsung's foray with BW, Samsung really really preferring to keep their 14nm production for in-house (well, company) use only, I'd think that leaves GF in a rather nice position.

No earthquakes/Tsunami's, great country infra for getting supplies (Korea is still a nightmare. Just try to find a local(ish) store selling say, a common glass 3AG fuse is neigh impossible even in or near the major cities. In the US? Go to the hardware store.) More to the point, GF is using 14nm tech licensed from Samsung and has few(er) Tier-1 customers so production availability should not be a problem.
5239  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hacking the S7 - improving efficiency through minor hardware manipulation on: June 09, 2016, 12:47:30 AM
Interesting...
On the batch ones, is the string voltage set by what the PSU provides (at the PCIe plugs) or a fixed board-level buck? I ask because I have a b1 at work that has oc'd beautifully - set to 700MHz both ck and M's Miner Monitor pegs its average hashrate @ 5.43THs with peaks of 6THs and higher  Shocked I have a b5 that does almost as well. Wonder what they would do with a tad more Vcore done by raising the PSU voltage a tad? Wink
5240  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Server Power Supply Interface Board - for standalone miners and GPU rigs on: June 08, 2016, 11:04:37 PM
+1 Nice.
I'll have to look into the DPS-1520. I assume it's a 1500w supply? If so and if priced like the HP-CS 1200w supplies then it'd make a perfect fit for s7's and s9's.
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