They did this quite some time ago. I was researching them 2 weeks ago even.
You mean BitPay or Nestorgames? Nestorgames accepting Bitcoin. I guess the news was about BitPay then. Yes, Nestorgames was accepting bitcoin before, but now the process is automatic, thanks to the BitPay shopping cart. Cool! Congrats to them. Why isn't it true for any other games?
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They did this quite some time ago. I was researching them 2 weeks ago even.
You mean BitPay or Nestorgames? Nestorgames accepting Bitcoin. I guess the news was about BitPay then.
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They did this quite some time ago. I was researching them 2 weeks ago even.
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<Guy 1> I was there before the first magazine was ever printed...See? This is the minus first issue. <Guy 2> Oh yea? I was there before the minus first issue was printed, see? This is the minus second issue. <Guy 3> Oh yeah? I was there before all of them were printed and it was just being worked on, see? This is a chatlog. <Matthew> Sup bitches. I was there when I had the idea. Mint anyone? <Bruno>Or at least got the idea from somebody else like when you stole my Twunk Tank idea and tried to pawn it off as Twunker. ~TAKES handful of mints~ <Satoshi>Mwrgblghglbrwghcrrgbl. ~Can't talk because he's shoveling bucketloads of mints into his face~ <Atlas> Looks like Satoshi *puts on glasses* is unremorseful.
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Send the first when it is ready, label it Issue -2. Or hurry the fuck up with B&N and make Feb Issue 0 and Get Issue 1 out in B&N next month.
Hehe. I wish it were possible to 'hurry up' with distribution. Yeah, I'm just messing. But seriously, in ten years I want some chump to start bragging about his first issue of Bitcoin magazine to me and I whip out Issue -2. LOL. <Guy 1> I was there before the first magazine was ever printed...See? This is the minus first issue. <Guy 2> Oh yea? I was there before the minus first issue was printed, see? This is the minus second issue. <Guy 3> Oh yeah? I was there before all of them were printed and it was just being worked on, see? This is a chatlog. <Me> Sup bitches. I was there when I had the idea. Mint anyone?
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Send the first when it is ready, label it Issue -2. Or hurry the fuck up with B&N and make Feb Issue 0 and Get Issue 1 out in B&N next month.
Hehe. I wish it were possible to 'hurry up' with distribution.
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I suppose I am confused. If it took 3 months to get it going at B&N, would B&N be carrying the first issue, or the third? In other words, would B&N NOT carry the first issue, ever?
I'm going to skillfully avert attention to another topic to avoid answering your question directly in an effort to avoid outrage from the community on the ramifications of either choice. lol ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) It's a tough call, for sure. Setbacks are never fun to deal with. Well, that's true, and let me be the first to say that all I ever really need to know is if the community supports me when it's time to make those tough decisions. It's true that we're selling a product, but it's not just a product that people are buying ownership of, it's a promise they're buying ownership of as well-- and that's the dangerous part for me. Gotta be featherlight with this shit. So I've tried to read most of these 16 pages of posts, but I ordered earlier today.
Is the digital version available? Will it be e-mailed? Or is that being mailed on a USB drive or something with the paper copy?
Thanks for the order! Digital copies go out via any of our available digital channels which haven't been decided fully yet.
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I suppose I am confused. If it took 3 months to get it going at B&N, would B&N be carrying the first issue, or the third? In other words, would B&N NOT carry the first issue, ever?
I'm going to skillfully avert attention to another topic to avoid answering your question directly in an effort to avoid outrage from the community on the ramifications of either choice. lol
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The fact that no one is making any money now that people are pulling out should tell you all that this was just a ponzi in the first place.
Mission Accomplished.
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Before I even respond to this idea, let me say that everyone's opinions and suggestions are very warmly welcomed and well received, but that vague recommendations to "just offer a _____" only work if someone is willing to pay for that "_____". (I.e. we can offer the entire world in a basket, but it's worthless unless someone actually pays for it). Okay and now to a suggestion: How many subscriptions would you need to sell in advance to pay for the higher quality product?
Since the first edition has the potential to be a collector's item if this product and Bitcoin ever go mainstream how about a single page which supports can buy a spot for their name. You could bundle this in with subscription or offer it as an upsell.
Normal Subscription: 12 month subscription = $xx Supporter Subscription: 12 month subscription + your name (either real name or forum nick name) in first edition + extra first edition (collectors item) = $yy
This is a good suggestion and almost exactly what Mihai had already planned (who was working on crowdfunding for the magazine until I ruined it by going live on the forums (Sorry Mihai ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) ) and letting everyone know without consulting him.) and I think there might be room for this, but we're planning on sending to the printers in less than a week so I don't believe that would be fair to do on such short notice. ...unless you meant for every issue, in which case you're fucking brilliant.
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But I think that Matthew knows what he's doing so no point in repeating this anymore. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Hehe. Appreciate the vote of confidence. Just the same, I need to be reminded of the feelings of our readers everyday to make sure I don't do something insane like put Atlas's photo on the cover. (Never...)
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No. Potential has the "possibility" to encompass reality.
po·ten·tial [puh-ten-shuhl] Show IPA adjective 1. possible, as opposed to actual: the potential uses of nuclear energy. 2. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety. Sounds like reality to me. you are selectively reading, Matthew. you ignored, "as opposed to actual". I have the potential to break your face. The point is... until it happens, its fantasy... not reality. You're probably right. I was selectively reading only the first line of text you posted which was: The difference between potential and reality is that they are 100% polar opposites. I must have gotten it out of context.
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No. Potential has the "possibility" to encompass reality.
po·ten·tial [puh-ten-shuhl] Show IPA adjective 1. possible, as opposed to actual: the potential uses of nuclear energy. 2. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety. Sounds like reality to me.
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There are plenty of good writers still enrolled in higher education that would love to have a chance to get published, some free while others at a very low cost. They'll know the subject matter one way or another. Remember, they have strong opinions and view points of the world that we current reside in.
No offense but, I've seen the difference between "writing" and "entertaining writing" and that difference spells out "career". I'm always open to what people submit though, I just hope they realize that just because it came from their fingertips and it's technically accurate and factual, doesn't mean it's fit to be published in a magazine. That said, one of our own writers is from the Bitcoin community ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The difference between potential and reality is that they are 100% polar opposites.
Potential encompasses reality.
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Then you have those stand-alone newspaper/magazine racks that display only their periodical, albeit most of them are for free, but some are for sale.
Those spots are typically around $800 per store in fact. Also, have no misconceptions-- everyone goes through a distributor. The market is pretty well owned. I've researched it and what we're doing now (and some of the things I haven't mentioned in this thread) seem the safest and most logical direction to go. Understand that when I mention things here, we're already balanced the risks and done the homework. We're just looking for the feelings of the community on A or B. My other comment is regarding the amount of issues and I was especially shocked to see the comment on increasing the amount of pages to 100+.
We're not doing it for sure, and we'll only do it when it's financially possible. Your fears of quality of content are well heard and felt all across the board, but money fixes all problems as they say. When you can afford good writers from existing major magazines to cover certain subjects, your problem stops being "how much content" and "how can we make this other dumber shit look good in the face of this newer awesome shit". I'll be more than happy if that was our biggest issue. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I got a reply back from the "International Campaign to Ban Landmines (ICBL)" . as mentioned in the bitcoin minefield thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28009.msg720076#msg720076Dear Chris, We thank you very much for being willing to make a donation to ICBL-CMC. Could you please, kindly let me know what you mean by "bitcoin" as we do not have this system in place yet but are ready to consider it. Looking forward to hearing from you. With our best regards, ICBL-CMC team Tell Tony of BitPay to talk to them about setting it up.
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UPDATE: Good news and bad news ladies and gentlemen. Good newsBarnes and Noble's supplier is working with me right now to get everything ready for distribution (and guess what, the manager I'm working with saw the Good Wife episode and is very interested in Bitcoin ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) ) and it looks like we'll be hitting the majority of the stores. We need to do our own budgeting for additional advertising packages etc to make it attractive for the stores to carry it, but that's all boring business stuff we're taking care of. Bad newsThe entire process could take several months. As anyone with basic math skills could figure out by now, printing out 2,000 issues is probably not cheap, and we only get the revenue of the issues that are actually sold, the rest of the issues being thrown in the garbage by the stores. This means that we have an interesting choice to make on design+quality. Should we: - Go as cheap as possible for printing quality and binding until we sign the paperwork for distribution by major stores, at which time we have all the bells and whistles (and even up it to 100 pages); or
- Do we treat the community as our main target, run on the revenue we get from the community only, and see if we last 3 months on that alone.
It's one of those difficult management decisions, and I'm the one who has to make it so I'd like some kind, non-judgmental, and constructive advice on the matter. P.S. My own personal feelings (which don't count for shit btw in the face of the entire community, i.e. our livelihood) are that we should run lean for 3 months, secure the magazine on a small platform in the community only, then come bursting out the gates in style in 3 months time with the more expensive binding styles (look up saddlestitch vs perfect binding and remind yourself that the difference is $3,500 for us at current volume)
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I find that notion as ridiculous as thinking you would be able to build a better space shuttle than NASA in your garage. They are only "experts" after all, what do they know.
Hey now, rocket science is a tad bit different. Furthermore, that's comparing potential which can't really be measured easily. Someone could theoretically do better than NASA in their own garage given a number of influences. Nasa is just a big garage in that sense. Global warming however can only be understood with a large enough data set. No one says it isn't happening that I know of, they're just saying the current data set isn't enough. It'd be like judging bitcoin on this month's price fluctuations alone.
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I'm not convinced we aren't doing it personally.
I hear you. I'm not convinced we are.
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