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5261  Economy / Economics / Re: The free Market and Bitcoin on: April 09, 2017, 05:56:14 AM
I never really thought of it that way because when you grow up in a society where prices are always going up because more money is being printed you tend to automatically not think outside of the box.

Technically it's still a free market although because you're using fiat it's a grey area where you feel free, but your currency is actually causing you to lose out.
The currency is your choice though.  The government only declares what the legal tender is in the system (the fiat currency) but this is not oppressive.  In Northern Ireland, I'm told that the old pound coin is technically out of circulation, but shops routinely accept it - anyone could use anything as a currency.  In fact, if I said "I'll give you some magic beans for that cow" an you accepted the deal, we could equally view magic beans as a currency.

My point is that what the government declares about currency only restricts the free market if trading with anything except the legal tender was illegal.  Even if they restricted the use of Bitcoin or any other specific currency, even that would not affect the free market any more than restricting the sale of currently illegal products does.
5262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: How anyone else noticed the poloniex XRP/BTC exchange is a fraud? on: April 09, 2017, 05:40:09 AM
~ The idea is that you buy low and sell high, repeating the process over and over again to profit. ~

actually this is what people say when they are too lazy to go into details.
the idea is to buy low when you know price is going high and then sell when you know price won't go any higher.
you can't just put orders and think they MUST be filled.

for instance in Ripple and Ethereum the pumps are over so there is no low anymore. all prices are high and a time for sell. yeah it may bounce back sometimes but the general flow right now is dump-dump-dump.
and for litecoin, nothing is clear at the moment and it is best to stay away.

and remember this is altcoin market we are talking about, it is full of manipulation. the margin trading works in a more logical market not where there is pump and dumps going on.
Buy low, sell high is simplified but it's still correct.  Buy low doesn't mean buy at any time and wait for it to go up - the phrase clearly means to buy at the bottom and then wait for it to rise.  All you have to do is find a more predictable coin that goes up and down regularly and doesn't completely collapse when it goes down or get too mental a pump when it goes up.  There are several coins like that.

There's also buying low and selling high when a coin has potential (it's a good idea and could have its price rise a lot from demand, or could just be pumped), but that's unrelated to bot trading because bots are mostly based on buying and selling stable coins based on minor variations during the day.
5263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU support down below 35% on: April 09, 2017, 05:25:43 AM
I think is is anticipated to happen since the Bitcoin hard fork failed.
It's only failed in the sense that it hasn't gathered enough support to occur.  It will never objectively fail, just as Classic is still dragging itself along the floor.

It's only a small drop and doesn't properly show that BU has lowered yet.  It might be that it's just significant block variance, or it might show a slight decrease in small miners' support due to the potential for SegWit in Litecoin, but either way it won't topple Bitmain or any major pools so it needs time.


EDIT: Time has passed.  It's definitely significant, but SegWit still hasn't overtaken BU yet.  I blame F2Pool.
5264  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: skills about forex is integral of a trader's success. on: April 09, 2017, 03:37:14 AM
things are a lot different in Forex trading than it is in bitcoin and then it is nothing like trading altcoins.
in Forex the market is huge and analysis,... works well there but still is a little unpredictable.

in bitcoin trading, you can be sure it goes up so you have a safety net even if something unpredictable happened and you made some wrong trades. and analysis works a little.

in altcoin trading nothing works, no analysis no prediction, nothing. it is all manipulation and pump and dump. you should always buy it low and sell at the speed of light when price goes up or otherwise lose money when they dump it. and that is the skill in altcoin trading.
Depends what altcoins you're trading.  Some altcoins stay pretty stable up high even if there has been clear manipulation (like ETH).

Even with altcoin trading a lot of analysis can work, such as the background of the coin, developers, the coin's aims, etc.  That's the sort of analysis that most people who trade altcoins need to take part in to avoid losing money.  The great thing about altcoin trading is that most cash going into it is dumb money and you can completely take advantage of that without having enough money for a pump - most newbies don't do this analysis before buying the coin.

Also, with Bitcoin there is never actually a guarantee that the price will rise.  It's a very risky trade in itself, and the price rising for a long time is only because people keep investing in it, when in fact Bitcoin naturally would be inflating due to an increase in supply.
5265  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-04-07] Canadian Companies Unanimously Reject Bitcoin Unlimited on: April 08, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
If the supporters of Bitcoin Unlimited think things will be smooth after a hard fork, they will be in for a big disappoinment. I speculate it will be the supporters of the hard fork themselves who will start blaming the BU development team for trying to break everything down.



Not a Practical Solution

Bitcoin Unlimited is not feasible. Canadian enterprises pointed out Bitcoin Unlimited will not and must not be forked due to economic and technical reasons. This is regardless of threats made by some miners to stage a so-called “51%” attack against the Bitcoin network to fork said software.

Francis Pouliot, chief executive officer of Satoshi Portal and incumbent Bitcoin Embassy director, said Canadian enterprises will not incorporate the Bitcoin Unlimited token in their respective services or merchandise. He reiterated companies will not trade BTU or list it as alternative virtual currency. Enterprises will adopt another approach toward BTU and the very small likelihood it will be forked or introduced in the market. These businesses insist the software contradicts the BTC software.

Meanwhile, majority of Bitcoin exchanges worldwide (BTCC, Bit Stamp and BITIFINEX) clarified if Bitcoin Unlimited is released, this will be attributed to users and opened for trading on platforms as alternative coin. This is different from the BTC network. The Bitcoin market in Canada asked other industry participants to spell out their position on hardfork contingency. They also assured BTC users the crypto currency will become stronger moving forward. Mr. Pouliot urged economic nodes globally to clarify their outlooks and affirm their role as principal constituents of Bitcoin consensus.


Read the full article https://www.crypto-news.net/canadian-companies-reject-bitcoin-unlimited/

No agreement like this is unanimous, there will still be large amounts of Canadian Bitcoin users who support Bitcoin Unlimited.  Things wouldn't be smooth after a hard fork in this state, but that's why it's a consensus system - if Bitcoin Unlimited received enough support for the hard fork to happen, it would be a lot smoother.  Their views and code are just there for other people to review and consider.

The Bitcoin exchanges views can't be conflated with that Canadian statement either.  Their statement was not necessarily in opposition to a fork (although Coinbase seems to think so, which is why they oppose it) - it was clarifying the status of BTU on their exchanges.  It's reasonable to classify BTU as an altcoin on these exchanges, not because it's the same as other altcoins per se but because it's a new coin which will be separate to the original/previous Bitcoin, BTC.
5266  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is there any way to send small bits without big fees on: April 08, 2017, 08:30:23 AM
Your choice of how much you pay for transaction fees is based on how large the transaction is in data (bytes) and is measured in satoshi per byte (one satoshi being the smallest unit of Bitcoin, a hundred millionth).

Unfortunately, that means that if you're sending a small transaction, it's likely to still be large enough in terms of data to have a high fee and there's not a lot you can do about that.  In most cases you'll be sending upwards of $5 and it won't be too significant, hopefully.
5267  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin changes finance - but for the better or the worse? on: April 08, 2017, 08:14:50 AM
Off the top of my head, btc has positives in terms of.

-Putting pressure on wire transfer services to reduce their transaction fees.
-Putting pressure on state sanctioned currencies to compete in terms of price stability.

There are positive ways in which btc changes finance for the better.

So i have to disagree with you. I don't think wire transfer services are changing their fee structure at all, but some people now realize there's an alternative to typical wire transfer options.

And how is Bitcoin encouraging fiat currency stability? Bitcoin is super unstable!
It's unstable, but by design it's stable.  As I believe from John Nash's ideal money, a great form of money should have an inflation rate as close to zero as possible without being deflation, which allows the ideal money to be a reference money for value just as a metre is for length and allows people to trust the currency.  The best way to achieve this is by creating a system in which there is natural inflation (introduction of new currency) which contributes to reducing deflation rates as adoption of this currency increases.

After the adoption has occurred, the rate of new currency's introduction should stabilise to zero to prevent future inflation, as Bitcoin's introduction does through halvings.  This way, Bitcoin becomes stable as:

-Adoption has occured

-New money supply is prevented.

Governments are incapable of keeping this stability because the only way they can stabilise currency is by introducing more - bringing money out of circulation is not at all the same.  Furthermore, when a currency has an amount of adoption which it can't move past without economic advancement, that's when it can stabilise.  Fiat currencies achieve this through their use in nations, whereas Bitcoin does this through its potential global use.
5268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just switched to running a Bitcoin Unlimited node on: April 07, 2017, 11:35:44 PM
You refuse to answer the pertinent question, and instead continue to derail with over-complicated and diversionary walls-of-text full of unproven assertions. Done here, hope you're getting paid by the line
I answered the Big Question a while ago, and just made it clearer.  Please read the new edit, since you haven't read any of my other posts, or maybe I'll consider putting you on ignore.
5269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just switched to running a Bitcoin Unlimited node on: April 07, 2017, 02:01:28 PM
Where do you actually refute the charge that Danny Hamilton was lying and manipulating? Nowhere
I refuted it in the post before the one above, by analysing his language - his language was arguing that Core had failed to create consensus, which is true.  There isn't consensus.  You grudgingly admitted that that was the intended meaning by arguing against it in your edit.

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All your wall of text serves to illustrate is that you're talking alot and saying nothing.
Or maybe you just didn't read it, as I clearly said "Please give me an example of an ad hominem used", about Danny Hamilton.  You didn't respond to this, showing that you either didn't read it or didn't care.

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I proved Danny Hamilton is a liar. It's that simple, and it's not attacking his character, it's attacking his specific behaviour, behaviour which is pertinent to the issues at hand. Not ad hominem, in other words. And it's proof positive that he knowingly lied and manipulated the discourse.
Unless you think liar isn't a negative trait, it's definitely attacking his character.  Your word that he's a liar, repeated over and over again now about 15 times, does not make it so and you constantly claim to have proved it with still no proof that I cannot at least argue against (if evidence is clearly arguable, it isn't evidence, it's an argument).
 


In case you didn't read the rest of my post, the Big Question:
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Iranus:

Do you accept Danny Hamilton's clarification that Core users and/or supporters began the blocksize debate, and that Core users and/or supporters perpetuated it? That's where Danny is lying, to which he could only add further manipulation in an attempt to stem the damage to his reputation.
I answered that question in my above post:
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As with everything that requires a new consensus, the previous one was viewed as insufficient by a significant enough amount of people to result in open argument favouring a new one (which Danny Hamilton did not take part in).  Therefore regardless of whether or not they were right, which I actually generally believe that they were, the beginning of the argument was their inaction.
If you had bothered to read it, you would have seen that.  However it is impossible to answer the question without diversion as the question itself is biased, assuming an implied meaning of Danny Hamilton's post which you had not explained beforehand despite your supposed "proof".
5270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just switched to running a Bitcoin Unlimited node on: April 07, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Just a couple of posts ago, Carlton, you said:
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If I'm lying, distorting or making clever editorial decisions in what I say, be a man and address it directly.
Danny clearly addressed it directly by suggesting that you were distorting his wording - suggesting that he was talking about Core when it was addressed at divisive users.

However, you cannot respond to that directly, instead you insult the argument ("semantic sleight of hand") which responds to your attempts to twist the grammar used in his sentence.  You also refer to the colouring, which is used as a sign of frustration at the lack of thought in your post (note, do not call this an ad hominem, I'm insulting your post not you) and also to make it as clear as possible for the reader to comprehend.

If it's a consensus system, as you constantly re-iterate, how can addressing one user make any difference? Because if we are to accept your version of events, you are implicitly targeting the small number of Bitcointalk users that are advocating the truth with your hypocritical and cowardly ad hominem attack, aren't you Danny Hamilton?
A consensus system is based on individuals.  It requires a large majority of users to support a specific version of the network - a large majority of individuals, that is.  You are an individual.  Arguments are being presented to you and other individuals which are believed to frequently harm the debate for other individuals.

Please give an example of an ad hominem used.  I only see attacks on posting and content, not on individuals - the closest to an ad hominem is your "sense of superiority" which in my view you are displaying from your belief that your opinion is "the truth", whereas as Danny Hamilton showed in his previous post, you called him a "liar" and "manipulative" (attacking an individual, regardless of whether or not it's true or you believe it's true) over 10 times.
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How can you possibly declare that the opposition to blocksize-pushing began the argument? Or that blocksize opponents maintained the argument?
As with everything that requires a new consensus, the previous one was viewed as insufficient by a significant enough amount of people to result in open argument favouring a new one (which Danny Hamilton did not take part in).  Therefore regardless of whether or not they were right, which I actually generally believe that they were, the beginning of the argument was their inaction.  Danny Hamilton, notably, does not say the argument you suggest he did at any point even though I do.





Edit: You said the following earlier.

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Demonstrate I'm wrong or being deceptive. You can't, and so you must try to use repetitive rhetoric to censor me instead.
censorship
ˈsɛnsəʃɪp/
noun
1.
the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

To put it differently, censorship is preventing public information from being viewed by others.  On the contrary, no one has done that.  Danny Hamilton suggested putting you on ignore - which I might do if you direct any ad hominems in your reply (which I have carefully avoided doing to you) but this could not prevent it reaching a wider audience.  This hyperbole does not help for reaching a consensus - it helps for spreading fear, and is divisive in debates.

I know very little about technical aspects of either side, but I know that when a post is centered around hyperbole I can display my understanding of context and interpretation in the English language instead.


5271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin AND the Altcoins are moving up.. Pushing ATH's for global CC markets.. on: April 07, 2017, 10:48:59 AM
Every money that goes into altcoin is pure speculation.
Altcouins are backed up by nothing. Bitcoin can be used as payment, but i do not remember that I have seen more than two shops accepting a any other coin than bitcoin.
That's why I think sooner or later the money that goes into alt will go out of it again. Maybe into btc, maybe back in fiat.

Nearly no merchants actually accept Bitcoin, and those that do only get a select few customers who pay in Bitcoin.  You go to big cities, a couple of shops that you searched for happen to accept Bitcoin and then you've decided it has serious adoption when it doesn't.  Altcoins are backed by their potential use, which is the same reason that Bitcoin is backed (plus the "digital gold" thing).
5272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: i send BTC wrong adress (maleware problem) - status unspend on: April 07, 2017, 05:45:41 AM
If you sent Bitcoin to the wrong address, I'm afraid you're not getting it back.

There's no definitive "Bitcoin team" - there's the developers, Bitcoin Core, but they can't decide to override a specific transaction as there are no third parties which have power over them (this is a huge part of the reason for Bitcoin's existence).
5273  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Signing a message? Expose coins on: April 07, 2017, 05:37:13 AM
If you sign a message from an address, anyone can go and search on a block explorer and find the Bitcoin in that address and transactions that have gone to or from that address.  It won't necessarily compromise your security, provided that you're quite sure the address can't be linked to you.  You won't be exposing your private key, so your Bitcoin would still be safe provided that what you use to sign the message also isn't linked to you.
5274  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who will lead the global effort to reinvent the world through bitcoin? on: April 07, 2017, 05:22:10 AM
Japan and China just copy stuff...
Japan is known for innovative technology as much as Europe is.  I think you're just being racist towards Asians.

China will continue to be the world leader in mining and some other reasonably stable businesses which can be ran with Bitcoin.  However, this is not inherently a problem to decentralisation - the problem only occurs when this business is concentrated in the hands of just a few people.  Unfortunately, mining is concentrated in the hands of a few people, but this is nothing to do with "China" per se, as if it is one single entity.

So in that sense, no one will be a world leader because the only people that have control are the miners (which can be anyone and Chinese monopolies can be dethroned at any point by businesses) and the developers (as well as those holding Bitcoin).
5275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who else is tired of this shit? on: April 07, 2017, 05:12:53 AM
"If you are not tired to shill for altcoins, you are not tired"

                                                                   ― Viscount

Let's all stay on the ship lost at sea and force ourselves to strangle each other, because otherwise we are shilling. We must remain always one for all and all for one, because otherwise we are shilling.

Viscount is the most logical man.





When you are shilling for freedom you are shilling for freedom

Keep the slaves locked up on the tragedy-of-the-commons farm.

Viscount is the most ethical man.


Please go buy more LTC before it goes to the mars and hope it doesn't crash land there, shill of LTC much?

Blame the manipulations on me? Do you think I have any fucking control over the Chinese. You are incredulous.

I have no choice but to find a ship that isn't lost at sea w.r.t. to payment scaling.

I have already wrote that the Chinese are also manipulating us with Litecoin and that I don't want to talk about that piece-of-shit any more.

I am not happy with any of it. CoinHoarder and I both agreed what we are tired of what PoW has become.
The reason that Bitcoin hasn't failed is a mixture of two things:

-Even less consensus from altcoins (they all have different intentions)

-Loads of people HODLing and not giving up for any logical reason.

The problem is that on the forum we have you favouring Litecoin (arguably the most logical standpoint, since it's well-established and SegWit is a possibility), loads of people favouring Ethereum, some potentially misled people favouring DASH, some people favouring the even less scalable Monero, et cetera, et cetera.  Even though the end goal is slightly less definitive, this should be viewed as a lack of consensus just like Bitcoin is struggling from.  Even if Syscoin has activated SegWit and Litecoin might activate it, there will be people flocking to coins left and right.
5276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many ways are there to earn bitcoins? on: April 07, 2017, 02:24:23 AM
There are as many good methods to earn Bitcoin as there are to earn fiat currency, you just have to actually participate in things and offer your services to people who are willing to pay.  You can always earn fiat currency and convert it to Bitcoin, and even if you don't do that you can just offer something on the Services section of the marketplace and be successful.

As for obvious ways, there's signature campaigns like mine (but don't treat them like a job) mining (but it's expensive / hard) and trading altcoins (don't jump on pumps).

If you have a decent starting capital, you can always put your money into investments - among the best of them are casino bankrolls.
5277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin be used to support terrorists? on: April 07, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming:” Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. “ And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?

throwing in random names doesn't make the story more believable Smiley

and no, I assure you that there is no idiot in the whole world that is going to choose bitcoin (with 100% public, open to the whole world transactions) over easy fiat/cash such as using USD which is 100% anonymous, non-traceable and acceptable everywhere in the whole world.

p.s. your username seems to be matching the kind of topics you create in this forum.
Bitcoin isn't 100% public and USD isn't 100% anonymous.  Bitcoin transactions are public from the blockchain but they're pseudonymous as addresses are hard to link to individuals.  While Bitcoin isn't anonymous and those who don't take very careful precautions can be caught, it's a lot more anonymous than digital fiat (e.g. bank transfer) so if you're doing anything online, Bitcoin is the best choice since a lot of criminals already accept it.

Even cash USD, while having separate purposes to Bitcoin, isn't 100% anonymous.  Also, if you think that USD is accepted everywhere, you're pretty arrogant about how national currencies work.
5278  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Best non-US exchange for US actors to avoid IRS/Coinbase type risks on: April 06, 2017, 11:26:11 PM
If you are looking for Japan based exchanges, Bitflyer is the biggest.  That'll let you buy up to 250,000 yen worth of Bitcoin (at time of writing about $2,250) each month with only a phone number or Facebook account.  After verification you can buy more.

If you really want to be safe with your Bitcoin though, I would try LocalBitcoins.  It's anonymous and lets you do cash transfers, so you could buy large amounts of money from a trusted seller.  Unfortunately some people sell LocalBitcoin accounts with high trust sometimes, so the best thing to do is choose more than one account each quarter and exchange with cash since it's not reversible, which would make you anonymous and mean that you're not dealing with an exchange.
5279  Economy / Lending / Re: Would you rather lend Bitcoins at Bitbond or BTCJam or somewhere else? Why? on: April 06, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
I prefer lending here as it's fairly low risk with good returns, and it isn't filled with scammers that can actually get a loan. Poloniex lending is also really good because the risk is extremely low, but the returns are low too to reflect that. I would avoid Bitbond and BTCJ because there is a huge amount of defaults and having their ID doesn't help that much for getting your money back.

There's a guy that defaulted 80+ BTC on BTCJam and other similar sites, and he still isn't in legal trouble IIRC.

Oh wow that is big.

Thanks for letting me know about Poloniex didn't realize they do loans as well.
Yeah, it's margin trading.  A lot of exchanges have it.

Pretty much all lending services are going to be pretty risky, so the important thing is not to loan all your money at once, but the problem is that you can't make a lot of profit from a small loan so you have to have a pretty large starting capital.

The problem is that the chance of defaulting on these loans is huge because if you do a long term loan they'll have to pay back the loan plus the hugely increased price of Bitcoin, which makes them very likely to fail even if they're not trying to scam you.  On Bitbond, loans are usually denominated in USD, which means that with 13% interest rates per year you're going to fall way behind the Bitcoin price rises in earnings, which makes your loans meaningless and potentially they could dig into the profit you would have made from HODLing.
5280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happened to the good old days of bitcoin? on: April 06, 2017, 10:59:29 PM
When you would send bitcoins and it would arrive within 30 minutes, also you would get excited when a new alt coin was released to see if you would be one of the first to get a whole bunch of them
The days when you got excited to read about new bitcoin news, now it's like an anxiety attack hearing all this chaos
The days when all we cared about was finding out who satoshi nakamoto is/was
And finally the days when we all got screwed over by Josh Garza or BFL
Bring back the good old days
Those were the days when bitcoin was less than a $100 but now it is more than $1000.If we pay high fee,we can still get same quick transaction.If you want btc price to rise,you should not mind high fee also.There is no other way of transferring the money where you decide the fee but that doesn't mean we become selfish and greedy when it comes to paying fee
Paying a low fee is not being "selfish" or "greedy" it's just sending a transaction which miners can just not confirm for a long time.  The fee market is part of what makes the choice practical - you want a quick transaction, you pay a high fee.  The price rising is not what results in a higher fee, it's just that Bitcoin isn't scalable.  Litecoin, on the other hand, is more likely to scale (and this might help Bitcoin, really).

I wasn't here in 2013, but maybe people were just going too fast, if they were really hyped up.  Nostalgia is a terrible thing though, because it makes you see everything through rose-tinted glasses.  I doubt 2013 was quite as perfect as you remember.
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