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5301  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: i send BTC wrong adress (maleware problem) - status unspend on: April 07, 2017, 05:45:41 AM
If you sent Bitcoin to the wrong address, I'm afraid you're not getting it back.

There's no definitive "Bitcoin team" - there's the developers, Bitcoin Core, but they can't decide to override a specific transaction as there are no third parties which have power over them (this is a huge part of the reason for Bitcoin's existence).
5302  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Signing a message? Expose coins on: April 07, 2017, 05:37:13 AM
If you sign a message from an address, anyone can go and search on a block explorer and find the Bitcoin in that address and transactions that have gone to or from that address.  It won't necessarily compromise your security, provided that you're quite sure the address can't be linked to you.  You won't be exposing your private key, so your Bitcoin would still be safe provided that what you use to sign the message also isn't linked to you.
5303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who will lead the global effort to reinvent the world through bitcoin? on: April 07, 2017, 05:22:10 AM
Japan and China just copy stuff...
Japan is known for innovative technology as much as Europe is.  I think you're just being racist towards Asians.

China will continue to be the world leader in mining and some other reasonably stable businesses which can be ran with Bitcoin.  However, this is not inherently a problem to decentralisation - the problem only occurs when this business is concentrated in the hands of just a few people.  Unfortunately, mining is concentrated in the hands of a few people, but this is nothing to do with "China" per se, as if it is one single entity.

So in that sense, no one will be a world leader because the only people that have control are the miners (which can be anyone and Chinese monopolies can be dethroned at any point by businesses) and the developers (as well as those holding Bitcoin).
5304  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who else is tired of this shit? on: April 07, 2017, 05:12:53 AM
"If you are not tired to shill for altcoins, you are not tired"

                                                                   ― Viscount

Let's all stay on the ship lost at sea and force ourselves to strangle each other, because otherwise we are shilling. We must remain always one for all and all for one, because otherwise we are shilling.

Viscount is the most logical man.





When you are shilling for freedom you are shilling for freedom

Keep the slaves locked up on the tragedy-of-the-commons farm.

Viscount is the most ethical man.


Please go buy more LTC before it goes to the mars and hope it doesn't crash land there, shill of LTC much?

Blame the manipulations on me? Do you think I have any fucking control over the Chinese. You are incredulous.

I have no choice but to find a ship that isn't lost at sea w.r.t. to payment scaling.

I have already wrote that the Chinese are also manipulating us with Litecoin and that I don't want to talk about that piece-of-shit any more.

I am not happy with any of it. CoinHoarder and I both agreed what we are tired of what PoW has become.
The reason that Bitcoin hasn't failed is a mixture of two things:

-Even less consensus from altcoins (they all have different intentions)

-Loads of people HODLing and not giving up for any logical reason.

The problem is that on the forum we have you favouring Litecoin (arguably the most logical standpoint, since it's well-established and SegWit is a possibility), loads of people favouring Ethereum, some potentially misled people favouring DASH, some people favouring the even less scalable Monero, et cetera, et cetera.  Even though the end goal is slightly less definitive, this should be viewed as a lack of consensus just like Bitcoin is struggling from.  Even if Syscoin has activated SegWit and Litecoin might activate it, there will be people flocking to coins left and right.
5305  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many ways are there to earn bitcoins? on: April 07, 2017, 02:24:23 AM
There are as many good methods to earn Bitcoin as there are to earn fiat currency, you just have to actually participate in things and offer your services to people who are willing to pay.  You can always earn fiat currency and convert it to Bitcoin, and even if you don't do that you can just offer something on the Services section of the marketplace and be successful.

As for obvious ways, there's signature campaigns like mine (but don't treat them like a job) mining (but it's expensive / hard) and trading altcoins (don't jump on pumps).

If you have a decent starting capital, you can always put your money into investments - among the best of them are casino bankrolls.
5306  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin be used to support terrorists? on: April 07, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming:” Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. “ And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?

throwing in random names doesn't make the story more believable Smiley

and no, I assure you that there is no idiot in the whole world that is going to choose bitcoin (with 100% public, open to the whole world transactions) over easy fiat/cash such as using USD which is 100% anonymous, non-traceable and acceptable everywhere in the whole world.

p.s. your username seems to be matching the kind of topics you create in this forum.
Bitcoin isn't 100% public and USD isn't 100% anonymous.  Bitcoin transactions are public from the blockchain but they're pseudonymous as addresses are hard to link to individuals.  While Bitcoin isn't anonymous and those who don't take very careful precautions can be caught, it's a lot more anonymous than digital fiat (e.g. bank transfer) so if you're doing anything online, Bitcoin is the best choice since a lot of criminals already accept it.

Even cash USD, while having separate purposes to Bitcoin, isn't 100% anonymous.  Also, if you think that USD is accepted everywhere, you're pretty arrogant about how national currencies work.
5307  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Best non-US exchange for US actors to avoid IRS/Coinbase type risks on: April 06, 2017, 11:26:11 PM
If you are looking for Japan based exchanges, Bitflyer is the biggest.  That'll let you buy up to 250,000 yen worth of Bitcoin (at time of writing about $2,250) each month with only a phone number or Facebook account.  After verification you can buy more.

If you really want to be safe with your Bitcoin though, I would try LocalBitcoins.  It's anonymous and lets you do cash transfers, so you could buy large amounts of money from a trusted seller.  Unfortunately some people sell LocalBitcoin accounts with high trust sometimes, so the best thing to do is choose more than one account each quarter and exchange with cash since it's not reversible, which would make you anonymous and mean that you're not dealing with an exchange.
5308  Economy / Lending / Re: Would you rather lend Bitcoins at Bitbond or BTCJam or somewhere else? Why? on: April 06, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
I prefer lending here as it's fairly low risk with good returns, and it isn't filled with scammers that can actually get a loan. Poloniex lending is also really good because the risk is extremely low, but the returns are low too to reflect that. I would avoid Bitbond and BTCJ because there is a huge amount of defaults and having their ID doesn't help that much for getting your money back.

There's a guy that defaulted 80+ BTC on BTCJam and other similar sites, and he still isn't in legal trouble IIRC.

Oh wow that is big.

Thanks for letting me know about Poloniex didn't realize they do loans as well.
Yeah, it's margin trading.  A lot of exchanges have it.

Pretty much all lending services are going to be pretty risky, so the important thing is not to loan all your money at once, but the problem is that you can't make a lot of profit from a small loan so you have to have a pretty large starting capital.

The problem is that the chance of defaulting on these loans is huge because if you do a long term loan they'll have to pay back the loan plus the hugely increased price of Bitcoin, which makes them very likely to fail even if they're not trying to scam you.  On Bitbond, loans are usually denominated in USD, which means that with 13% interest rates per year you're going to fall way behind the Bitcoin price rises in earnings, which makes your loans meaningless and potentially they could dig into the profit you would have made from HODLing.
5309  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happened to the good old days of bitcoin? on: April 06, 2017, 10:59:29 PM
When you would send bitcoins and it would arrive within 30 minutes, also you would get excited when a new alt coin was released to see if you would be one of the first to get a whole bunch of them
The days when you got excited to read about new bitcoin news, now it's like an anxiety attack hearing all this chaos
The days when all we cared about was finding out who satoshi nakamoto is/was
And finally the days when we all got screwed over by Josh Garza or BFL
Bring back the good old days
Those were the days when bitcoin was less than a $100 but now it is more than $1000.If we pay high fee,we can still get same quick transaction.If you want btc price to rise,you should not mind high fee also.There is no other way of transferring the money where you decide the fee but that doesn't mean we become selfish and greedy when it comes to paying fee
Paying a low fee is not being "selfish" or "greedy" it's just sending a transaction which miners can just not confirm for a long time.  The fee market is part of what makes the choice practical - you want a quick transaction, you pay a high fee.  The price rising is not what results in a higher fee, it's just that Bitcoin isn't scalable.  Litecoin, on the other hand, is more likely to scale (and this might help Bitcoin, really).

I wasn't here in 2013, but maybe people were just going too fast, if they were really hyped up.  Nostalgia is a terrible thing though, because it makes you see everything through rose-tinted glasses.  I doubt 2013 was quite as perfect as you remember.
5310  Economy / Economics / Re: The Real Reason to Hold Gold And Bitcoin on: April 06, 2017, 01:37:23 PM
For your savings, you should definitely hold gold and/or Bitcoin.  This post is unreasonable though because not everyone can expect to gain from an asset.  If everyone in the world held gold and continued to do so, the price would not rise (because the price increase would not be from an increase in adoption so it would have to be due to progression of the economy, which cannot happen all of the time).  Even if progression of the economy did happen all the time, the continued introduction of new gold would result in falls until all of the gold was introduced.  So by nature, gold's inflation rate is neutral or positive - only its current state results in deflation.

The same applies to Bitcoin, but in a different way.  If everyone held Bitcoin, the rate of new Bitcoin being introduced would decrease as gold does, but at a more specific rate.  So in the end, Bitcoin's inflation rate would neutral or positive to a negligible extent (tiny fractions of a Bitcoin per block).  However, Bitcoin in its current state would be inflating if everyone held it.  This does not mean that anyone is stealing your Bitcoin from you - on the contrary, inflation can be tolerable and even positive to an economy's operation and therefore does not represent the direct theft of money.  Furthermore, this potential inflation would just subsidise miner fees.  Right now, we are beginning to realise that as fees only represent a small amount of miners' revenue, after continued block halvings it would eventually result in huge fees to the amount of Bitcoin being sent if they were minor transactions - so the inflation of Bitcoin proves that inflation can be positive as it serves a definitive purpose which affects the community positively.
5311  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Yobit scammed his clients - no withdrawal - no support - no nothing on: April 06, 2017, 11:41:29 AM
The admin of the YoBit exchange is YoBit on here as well, and is reasonably active so you could always contact them.

YoBit is shit but they're legit, I'm 98% sure that you'll get your coins eventually.
5312  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Any such service like the freebitco.in website investment? on: April 06, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
No.

Freebitco.in is a trusted faucet running for a long time.  But still we can say that putting your money with them isn't worth it.  What are the chances that a Bitcoin company like that, which seems pretty desperate for money as it is, is going to last more than 100 / 4.08 = 24.5 years continuously giving you these returns?  Looks to me pretty close to zero, and any investment, even in casino bankrolls, is safer in itself just because you can diversify.  

And if you're just talking about other groups' rates, you're talking about 2.5% on most of the major ones.  Not that that money is safe either, it's basically an online wallet with a service that's messing around with your money and could fail or even turn into a scam.
5313  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-04-06] Does Regulation Slow Down or Accelerate Adoption? on: April 06, 2017, 11:20:37 AM
The link comes up with an error when you try to open it.

Regulation could do either, depending on how governments act in their regulation.  For example, recently many people have been talking about new laws in Japan giving Bitcoin recognition by acknowledging that it has features of a currency (a move that most other countries are yet to take, generally having unclear stances or regarding it as an asset).  However, the law's actual practical purpose is introducing regulation on exchanges and making users of Bitcoin more open to the government to regulate (as it is now legitimised by them).  This law seems to be accelerating adoption though.

In other cases regulation may slow it down, like China's plans to regulate Bitcoin exchanges closely.  So my point is that it's mostly based around how governments phrase it, rather than what they actually do.
5314  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Trading Bots while you sleep on: April 06, 2017, 11:11:18 AM
Would you use a Bitcoin trading bot instead of you?
This is a common fallacy related to bot trading.  A bot on an exchange never acts instead of you, it acts as your servant.  Gunbot and C.A.T (the main bots on the forum, the former being on Poloniex and the latter on exchanges of your choice), make you set how you want them to run.  You choose the best trading pair (a currency with a chart that goes up and down consistently, no pump/dumps as it's a day trading bot), then you choose the variation of price that you want it to allow before buying and selling (so it'll automatically place orders for you) and then it's ready to go.  If you actually want it to be profitable you have to check the charts every day and consider changing these parameters and the instructions of the bot.  You also have to be prepared to take your money out of the currency if it's looking bad, or shut down the bot and trade manually in certain situations, if you want to profit.
5315  Economy / Speculation / Re: YORK's price prediction topic. on: April 06, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
I told you guys. Its not too late to join ETC (ethereum classic) moontrain. Get in, we are going apeshit high, very very high this year!
Thank me later.
York has got you covered once again
Seems an odd choice to go with a forked coin.  Still, Ethereum has a lot more exposure since the recent pump, so maybe it's time for it to get some competition.  

That's quite an arrogant way to look at it though.  You shouldn't assume that it's going to go as high as it possibly could, especially when altcoins can get huge dumps at nearly any time.
5316  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Gunbot trading bot on: April 06, 2017, 07:02:07 AM
using a bot is not the only way of making money and it certainly is not an easy or guaranteed way of making profit while trading.
in my opinion if you have no trading experience then buying a bot is throwing your money out the window.

and besides in trading you can always do things manually, take a position and spread your buy orders, then decide on a profit and start putting up some sell orders. if your speculation of the market is good enough you will make money easily like this. and if not no amount of bot will help you.
I suppose this is a bit late for the thread but since someone else wants to know, I disagree.  I actually haven't bought a license, but Gunthar gives a very reasonable explanation for it.  All the bot does is make very quick decisions based on parameters you set (how much change there should be, what currencies to trade between, etc).  It is not trying to be a substitute for real trading l, but it can be effective as an aid to real trading.
5317  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just switched to running a Bitcoin Unlimited node on: April 06, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
I'm not saying that the Core team is not attempting to reconcile the two sides.  

You literally did say that, and also that the Core team both began and perpetuated the conflict.
Actually, he said that they had failed, not that they were not trying (and he was objectively correct, as a consensus has not been reached).  His points about division were clearly addressed to you and to others who are divisive and close-minded (for example, arguing with a fascist does not make you one).

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It's so simple, you decided to tell a lie, and used your reputation to sell the lie. You're a liar and a manipulator.
Objective truth.  And this seems like a creative insult to me.  Your repeated use of the term "liar" and attempts to discredit Danny are unhelpful (and I hope this is addressing your "clever editorial decisions" "like a man").
5318  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's NOT the Miners. It's NOT the Developers. USERS will decide the winner.. ;) on: April 05, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
This only actually applies in the event of a hard fork.  If a hard fork happens, then we'll have the clear lines drawn up between different camps to make our decision.  Right now, our only real power is our potential power in the future (if the BU camp knows that no users will use the new coin, they would mostly give up).  

Right now, the miners have the power.  Ironically, while BU supposedly wants to give miners power, we could take it all away from them if a fork actually happened and go back to BTC from BTU.
5319  Economy / Speculation / Re: YORK's price prediction topic. on: April 05, 2017, 01:07:39 PM
SegWit2MB will be the solution for the scaling problem and that we will have SegWit and a hardfork this year.
Just to clarify, the two are pretty much mutually exclusive.  SegWit doesn't have a change that requires a hard fork so if it's​ chosen there won't be one.
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Ayway with all those people who have lost their money on exchanges i still dont know why you guys are using them.
I'd say it's okay to keep some of your Bitcoin on exchanges for trading, which is the main use of the speculation section.  If a hard fork were imminent I would take it off straight away though.
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Use altcoins to buy bitcoin when the new trend is clear at the end of april.
What stable alts do you suggest? Alts like ETH and DASH were at least partially pumped it seems (falling now), and Litecoin is uncertain now as well.  Monero or something?  Any ideas? (Don't suggest ones that will "moon soon" those are always the riskiest even if they're good).

If you're posting about altcoins only in relation to Bitcoin, it's fine on the Bitcoin section.
5320  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Class action lawsuit for Poloniex on: April 05, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
A class action law suit would be stupid.  All of their actions have been 100% legal.

What you should do is consider arguing less aggressively for other exchanges, especially when other people ask for a good exchange to trade on.  Unfortunately, I still think Poloniex is the best altcoin exchange with serious trading volume (and the pumps are insane with all the bots).
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