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If the mods can agree on a short list of rules to be enforced, I'll help enforce them as best I can. Otherwise, freedom of expression is the rule. If there isn't a direct attack on a particular forum member, I don't intervene.
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We need a sticky faq with these simple questions right on the front page of the forum.
Perhaps a mandatory FAQ, with a quiz at the end.  Excellent idea. New users can't post until they can pass a fairly easy quiz, but can read whatever they like. |
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This thread would be much better if there was less political posts to wade through looking for the actual rebuttals. Bitcoin is very good tech, all the wanky political assertions and theories and sweeping statements should get out and leave the way clear for the technical and economical talk.
However I beleive there is an Off Topic forum...
All life is politics, and Bitcoin is no exception. We may attribute whatever leaning we desire to the project itself, but he political motivations of the founders are not in doubt. They are alluded to in the genesis block. |
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That quiz is biased to get a lot of people identified as libertarians. It's by design that it's high. That doesn't mean they are actually libertarian.
Do you have references for this position, or is it just your opinion? From what I understand, that quiz was well vetted for neutrality, and has been around under one name or another since the 1970's. It's possible that it's biased, but I've given out dozens of those cards and found a fair distribution of Repubs & Dems that seems to match reality fairly well, with the majority of independents ringing in as libs, but certainly not all of them. I've had true statists. |
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Then a "stealth" client is needed, that functions as a dark node unless specificly commanded to connect to a particular peer, or accept a particular peer's requests. In fact, I want this client, portable on a thumbdrive.
That is exactly what -connect does (if I recall correctly; you might need -connect and -nolisten together). Correct. -nolisten disables incoming, and -connect restricts outgoing to -connect-provided whitelist. Perfect. Thanks guys! |
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We need a sticky faq with these simple questions right on the front page of the forum.
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Wait, so how will transactions be verified once all 21M are out?
Long before that time, transaction fees will have become the norm, and taken over for the block reward as the primary economic incentive to participate. |
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No-one will migrate to an inflationary currency. It's simple game theory: I stick here and my relative purchasing power goes up, or I go over here and my purchasing power goes down. Humans are selfish, and bitcoin fortunately supports that while keeping things fair  You are assuming government never gets into the business of regulating the Bitcoin economy, as they did with the regular, formerly gold economy. This is a fair assumption, since there is precedent in the digital realm of distributed technologies being largely immune to the will of legistlators. |
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I said, in general. There are statist Americans and there are classicly liberal Europeans. In the present state of things, however, Europeans tend to trust their governments. That's just the cycle of things. 60 years ago Americans tended to have the trust of government intentions and Europeans didn't. This is reasonable considering that the US had just recently won a World War that was started by European governments screwing with each other.
He has a point. It is simply taboo to root for reduced government power in France. The first reaction people have to any kind of issue is "what is the government doing about it?" That's not terribly different than 90% Americans today. I had a much different impression. The Tea Party push during last elections was big enough that every French channel talk about it at least once. Compared to this, the most extreme rightist French economists could be considered communists. That's because the most extreme "rightist" economists from France are communists. |
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Search the forum for the "shy" client. Someone has already modified the vanilla client to only accept approved connections and never announce it's own IP address.
That is not at all what the "shy" patch does. The shy patch only sends its version number to clients it connects to after they send it theirs. It still connects to IRC, still attempts to make the same 8 outgoing connections to random nodes as every other client, and still listens for incoming connections. The only goal here is to make bitcoin nodes slightly less DDoS-able. Also, shy is in git, and I believe also in 0.3.21. Thanks for the correction. Then a "stealth" client is needed, that functions as a dark node unless specificly commanded to connect to a particular peer, or accept a particular peer's requests. In fact, I want this client, portable on a thumbdrive. |
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I'm kind of interested about the dynamics of the early genesis of the block chain...Satoshi could have been the sole miner for a month before he let anyone else know about it and would have a amassed ~216,000 btc Satoshi annouced the project the same day the genesis block was written, and there were other miners in less than 24 hours. The data is still there, go check for yourself. |
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Why can't newbies read the forum or the wiki before asking the same questions?
The internet is new, give people a couple billion years to evolve!  This is my 2036th forum post. At least 500 of those posts are me largely repeating myself. It gets old. |
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Search the forum for the "shy" client. Someone has already modified the vanilla client to only accept approved connections and never announce it's own IP address.
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I am sure many intelligent people have thought about that and there is a very good reason why the system works as it does.
Yes, there is. Maybe smeone cares to enlighten me?
Only you, try reading the forum, the wiki or the FAQ first. If you still have questions, come back. |
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Why can't newbies read the forum or the wiki before asking the same questions?
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I do not feel comfortable divulging the information you have requested, mostly because I plan on working with many thousands of dollars of computers that someone could simply come take from me if they knew exactly where I lived as well as the layout and location of the building. "Security by obscurity." Not good. Used alone, this is true. Used as part of a comprehensive security plan, it most certainly is. |
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Bitcoin us "pure money". Somehow most of those blogging troglodytes critique it for lack of properties which money do not really have to have and ignore bitcoins properties which make it such a great currency.
It is just like ostracising Linux kernel for not having SAMBA or LDAP or some other similar service in the kernel itself. It's freaking windows mentality, i.e. GUI must be in the kernel. The word is narrowminded.
Amen. |
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@Demandral
I reccommend that you do not put anything in to Bitcoin, and take the source code and try this. If you are correct, then you could do very well for yourself. If you are wrong, the rest of us will learn from your example.
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I said, in general. There are statist Americans and there are classicly liberal Europeans. In the present state of things, however, Europeans tend to trust their governments. That's just the cycle of things. 60 years ago Americans tended to have the trust of government intentions and Europeans didn't. This is reasonable considering that the US had just recently won a World War that was started by European governments screwing with each other.
He has a point. It is simply taboo to root for reduced government power in France. The first reaction people have to any kind of issue is "what is the government doing about it?" That's not terribly different than 90% Americans today. You just pulled that number from your anal regions. I doubt that it's anywhere near that high. The Advocates for Self-Government says that their "World's Smallest Political Quiz" implies that libertarians are roughly 30% of the tested population. If that is remotely representative, it's not even possible for more than 70% of Americans to default to "what is the government going to do about it". |
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I'd be surprised if Europeans didn't have more trust in their governments even 60 years ago.
Part of it is cultural -
I concede a cultural aspect. |
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