hello?
what claim?
You claim 3 things: 1. The address was used in a faucet rotator. 2. You owned that faucet rotator. 3. It was abandoned almost a year ago. Hence my question - do you have any proof to back up your claim? [number 2]
or you never owned a faucet and don't understand how faucet rotators and faucet lists work
Unfortunately, I'm not completely 100% knowledgeable in how faucet rotators/lists work. However, I know that you redirect users to other faucets. I am correct, right? I would consider the possibility of the faucet owners banning you from receiving affiliate funds (where in turn you remove them from your rotator), but I feel like that would be more negative for the owner instead of you. It's worth adding that your rotator is on a rotator list itself - and that its total visits aren't that great in number (165,000)
but I doubt you would or had for that matter,all you care for is increasing that lovely post count for the sig campaign
How ironic. I'll have you know, I spend more than 10 seconds on these posts! That's a lot of time! sarcasm alert TL;DR: It seems strange that the owners would ban someone who brings in lots of people - it's smarter just to keep you there, increasing their ad revenue. You should also show proof that you own that faucet rotator. |
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short answer:do a little research before creating topics and jumping to conclusions this address was used in my quite popular at the time faucet rotator http://rotator.doublebitcoins.com/r/101freebtc/it was abandoned almost a year ago read the topic in question and you will see that many of the list,rotator or facet owners were put on the "scammers" list due to a high margin of error,only to be removed after for example: Do you have any proof to back up your claim? Do you have anything that could say, prove that you were, in fact, the owner of the faucet rotator and that the address was used at the time of operation? But... wait a minute. Why are you using an address? It's just a rotator, right? It's not like you're directly paying to the users - or to FaucetBox or whatever crap there is. So, do you want to clarify your story? And don't say any shit like "I used the rotator" because (even though it may be slightly inaccurate) you would have to essentially have been abusing the faucets to have landed on that list. and you think that if I were a scammmer I'd post that particular address on bitcointalk?
p.s. will contact the OP for the address to be removed from that list
Yes. We can't expect you to have brains, come on. If you get caught, you get caught. Don't try to say that you're too smart to get caught. |
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I don't quite understand what you mean by them making "a lot of wild moves". If you are using a bot to play there, you would evidently try your best to hide this regrettable fact by adding random time delays between moves, changing the playing difficulty level of the bot arbitrarily on the fly, and whatever else you might come up with to conceal any evidence that you are cheating.
Adding random time delays would be suicide in these games with low time controls. If you have 30 seconds to play the entire game (and the game lasts no longer than 1 minute) you would need to do every move down pat. Now, changing the difficulty doesn't really alter anything unless you decide to move it down to a level that can be easily beaten by most of the opponents in the tournament (I've seen mid-2000 elo rated players there). You actually, however, might not survive with a script. Not to say that a computer wouldn't beat every player there, but think of it this way: the algorithm would only receive the information and then calculate... then make the move on the board. Humans in these games usually use premoves, which means they play a move in anticipation of their opponent's move. (If the move is possible on their turn, they'll do it whether it's good or bad.) Along with this, most of the top players there would no doubt have memorized patterns. The mind would be able to find that relatively quickly, nearly instantly even, while the algorithm would only spit out the moves - and not why. A good player would be able to see 6, 7 move combinations. This is all ignoring the fact that the algorithm playing at a high speed would suffer in its expected rating. Even if you have Stockfish 7, if you run it at a half second calculation (which is still too much) then you're absolutely beat. I'll do some testing myself, though. I'll see how good these chess engines are in short time controls. You can't be 100% sure that these sites aren't cheating themselves and using bots against players. There is simply no bullet-proof way of refuting such a possibility.
BitChess.co provides the funds for the tournament, lichess.org hosts the tournament. I don't think that a site for free chess games would try to cheat. |
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I think an inherent issues is always going to be the existence of chess engines.
Sure, some sites claim they have ways to detect these engines, and ban players. But then it comes down to how do you ever know for sure that the site is actually banning cheaters or just banning people who win too frequently, and ensuring someone on the inside wins?
You might find a place to play for BTC, as others have listed... but you can never know if it is going to be fair at all.
Already talked about this. If you're consistently playing the engine's best move, you're cheating. What could be more simple than that? Of course, if someone were to appeal to that accusation, then there would be talking - usually, cheaters won't bother. They can simply check for anyone playing "too perfectly" or using a script (which the site could probably catch with the speed of making moves) Also, lichess.org is separate from BitChess.co
Indeed that is very serious issue to play against bot and I don't think there is any authentic method implemented to detect these engines, but I don't think that is good idea to play chess for btc because it take so long time to get complete a game there, I think better idea to play just for fun there because so many site offering this to play online with other players.
because you need to give a lot of time for such types of game even you have sharp mind to play chess .
Uneducated (ignorant) ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you... time limits! Pick your poison... will you choose the 30 second time limit for each player, or 3 minutes for each player? Tick tock. The tournaments you usually see are classical - with ridiculously long time controls. I know I go to live tournaments with 90 minutes + 30 seconds/move. That makes games last 2-5 hours usually. Although the tournaments in lichess are somewhat long (I think the hosted ones were 2 hours) you play multiple games in that timeframe with the short time controls and have different strategic maneuvers - shortening your time by 50% but gaining an extra point if you win... Think about it this way, though. There are freerolls in poker. What's the top prize for those? They can last way longer than 2 hours. And with those, you rely on luck (even a little bit). With chess, you can no doubt win every tournament if your skill is high enough, provided your internet doesn't stop. Top prize for this example tournament is $15. Not bad if you enjoy chess, want to increase your rating, and get a little cash incentive whilst doing so. |
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Short answer: Yes.
It depends on what you truly feel is right. If it were up to me, I'd tag a known scammer. However, in this case, it's on a faucet abuse list (??) and I'm unsure about what that may have to do with trust. Of course, it isn't like they're not bad... but... It's unknown exactly what they've done. The list was generalized for "bots and scammers" but that covers a wide range. I won't deny that that is in and of itself (the category that is) a hindrance to the community, though. Thus, I would say a negative trust may be in order. Something like... |
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All PvP games can be gambling if you bet on it. You confused me a bit, I`m thinking about PvP gambling games for bitcoin. Only poker is coming to my mind, and there is no other. This fishbitfish.com is not a real PvP game, it`s many players vs many players, and if you have a strong group you can easily manipulate with the game I think, I never won anything there.
Poker is a good game, you can choose you game there, there is more different games. Other games I don`t know, and I tried a lot of gambling games for bitcoins.
fishbitfish doesn't require "many players" or a "strong group". It's all about buying out, and having a larger bankroll (and having the blocks work in your favor.) If your transaction doesn't confirm... there goes your total. If you run out of funds... there goes your bankroll. If you wait too long and have to pay a huge fee... there goes your bankroll. It's an interesting game, but I haven't used it in many months - so I can't vouch for its security anymore. I used to play on it, though, and back then, I generated quite a profit. |
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I am also looking for this but I want PVP or Man to Man play with chess or your opponent is also a Human and not AI. They will bet for the game both side. And the house start them to play the house will be the referree.
Didn't you read? The games are PvP. They would have to be PvP, or else it's quite literally impossible to win unless you yourself use an algorithm to face them. I don't know what you're talking about. I've already stated that the games seem fair. And in the case that someone DOES cheat, the host can simply deny payment and move to the second winner... then the third... and the fourth. There's no point in cheating and risking your reputation - unless you decide to use a different IP every time and create a huge number of accounts (all to meet the requirements), which is a waste of time. You would earn more by working.
Please don't spam. I understand you're scraping for those cents and they're incredibly valuable to you, but try and find a way to stop. I'm pretty sure even you know that a post history filled with one-liners on general threads about vague crap is not something that contributes to this community. |
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Time limits could be an issue for humans only. An experienced web developer would code a simple script that would analyze the incoming traffic and feed the moves to a chess bot in less than no time. In fact, I watched a few games, and it seems that only bots are actually playing there. The speed with which moves are made is simply not possible for a human being. You just can't move the mouse so fast, let alone think over the next move. Nevertheless, it is fascinating to watch the bots play against each other.
"plus the fact that cheating would be more obvious in bullet chess - if they do a lot of wild moves (that are sourced from an algorithm) quickly and consistently, since you have a lot of blitz and bullet games to play." I'm sure that they would have analysis to find if someone's cheating or not. After all, they're running the tournaments and are aware of the fact that there's online cheating. With a free buy-in, you would want to prevent that. As for the speed issue, there are premoves in chess, and as an actual chess player, I know that I can play bullet chess quite quickly. One move per second is not outside of the realm of possibilities, along with the fact that you can queue up following moves. Plus, when the time drains down to the end, you'll see a lot of garbage moves - to try and flag the other player.
I looked at some game histories - and a lot of the time, the moves seemed human. I really do not think that cheaters would be on there, or if they are, that they would be caught. (By the way, there's a requirement to play 20 blitz games before joining the blitz tournament, and I doubt lots of people have Crazyhouse algorithms. If you don't know what that variation is, then google it.) |
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I can't reveal the math on the wheel, no one would reveal it, but it's -positive- for the users. I don't want to give away the formulas of my site, that's all.
Well, the lottery is a bonus. House edge on the dice is 0.02%, which is the lowest in the entire industry.
But you should understand the skepticism, right? I know that this is a faucet website and you don't deposit bitcoins into here, but a +ev edge for players definitely can't be maintained, especially since every person starts off with a hard limit of the lowest bet (the more a player bets, the more they win) However, I don't doubt that few people would want to sit there grinding out those 1 satoshi bets. Good luck with the project, but I'll still keep my doubts until I see the math. I mean, even though it's not deposited funds, it still takes time to generate for players, and if the games aren't provably fair, then what of it?
The animations might add that delay for you, however. (Maybe add a payment option to make a simplified version?  ) |
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the biggest question here is that do they have any kind of faucet or free giveaways for people to try them out first?
because i have never heard about it before in my life!
Yes. One more thing: Slots, wheel and plinko are rigged to favor the user and not the house. What is the math on Wheel? How much does the jackpot pay, and what are the chances of landing on each spot? (Because if it were equal, then you would be unable to pay out the users, quite simply.) How much is the player edge? (And is it the lottery tickets that create the +ev for the player or the games intrinsically?) |
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Actually, guys, I've found that lichess.org hosts the "BitChess" games in which you play blitz/bullet games (short games) and compete for prizes paid in Bitcoin. This is actually feasible because I would think that most people who were planning to cheat would only be able to do so without such a short time limit, plus the fact that cheating would be more obvious in bullet chess - if they do a lot of wild moves (that are sourced from an algorithm) quickly and consistently, since you have a lot of blitz and bullet games to play. Seriously, check it out if you're a fan of chess. lichess.org BitChess.org |
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@poptok1: Thank you so much for your assistance and advice  I have just managed to create a new bitcoin address with 1 as start in the address Here is my new bitcoin wallet address: 12fknC5LubHeNoNUFgmwUDUVQFknW3UVvc Below is also my signed message: Proof of ownership:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am 8Habits, today is 10/01/2016
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
12fknC5LubHeNoNUFgmwUDUVQFknW3UVvc
H+NZ8g4bKKjb0azOd7UKj1L3d2PpowZxpF0tjU9nV0wFJSPjtfLoP0B1saQO+ofUI7fsEWe/u/rJXmL+FZrsgjc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Thank you very much guys! Quoted will verify it later Couldn't verify it, apparently you made a mistake please check your signature again The signature is the second line after "BEGIN SIGNATURE": H+NZ8g4bKKjb0azOd7UKj1L3d2PpowZxpF0tjU9nV0wFJSPjtfLoP0B1saQO+ofUI7fsEWe/u/rJXmL+FZrsgjc= I have verified with Bitcoin Core successfully.  |
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it was alleged that I scammed a user just because of the suspicion brought on my trying to buy a PayPal account to receive 40$ and trying to trade that exact amount for Bitcoin. The amount was supposed to be redeemable from a site I spent some time on.
Why are you trying to buy a PayPal account, where instead you can make one of your own? I see in your recent posts that you've bought a virtual visa card. Good. But that should have been your thought process firstly. In fact, you could also check to see if you could make a PayPal account with no cards or bank linkages [I just did.] to check if that would work. If you were scared about not being able to receive/send money, then afterwards add a virtual card (or a physical card) to it.
If what you are saying is the truth, then that's too bad. I would not understand why any person would seek to ruin your reputation, after it had already been attacked with the first red feedback. There is probably no way to clear it up. |
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Because i'm not active on this forum and i didn't notice that thread i have job in real life. Just see my feedback for all account that link to me. Do you think that is right? I am not superman to manage that all account. And the users that gave me that feed back is the true trust abuser. And to clarify all the post that others mention to be spam. That is occured during i'm still newbie in this forum and lack of knowledge. Even reputable users here once commit that when they are new. I just gave cheers feedback to my grim07. Do you think that is abusing of trust? Im not on DT and i didn't state any statement their. About philprime. He is my real coworker and not my alt. I'm just very happy that im famous here for all aspiring detective. But make sure first all accusation is true and no other person will get involve. You verify to mods if i really the owner of all the accounts listed on my feedback
You were not a newbie literally a month before you replied. Certainly not. And, that's also completely irrelevant. Don't justify your crappy spam post quality with the fact that you were ignorant of the rules - because the rules are available for all to see, and I see no reason why you shouldn't have been educated before posting. After all, many communities have rules. What made you think you were allowed to spam left and right? Why does your co-worker use your bitcoin address for his payment? How come both Omegasun and PhilPrime are your "friends" but use your bitcoin address? You're telling me that PhilPrime decided to use an address that you also used when they were a newbie? Please.
Why don't you edit your post instead of double-posting? (Like I've done right now.) Do you want me to make you a sample to link you on other account just by using the same wallet addy of yours? It is easily to be done intentionally by one of your enemy..
Of course it's easily done. However, I don't think that one of your enemies would post their address before you... That's kind of impossible, don't you think? PhilPrime: (June 30)grim07: (July 12)And in addition. Having an alt account is not deserved a negative feedback if the user didn't commit scamming. That is what i know when i read the statement of theymos regarding trust. It is for trading on marketplace and not for detective play of yours.
Sure. But if you spam with those accounts, and aim to use both of those accounts in the same campaign (with applications right next to one another) I think that deserves a red trust. Besides, trust is given by people who have opinions. And the opinion is that you deserve negative feedback. |
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Now why u jumped in this mess ? U know yours and mine BTC are same. 1ActBTCi5XUMjqnyFxVWgSfE5xWicj8g3o See my profile actmyname and zarfund are connected How old are you? Seeing as you're trying to cover up your mistake by acting as if it were on purpose, MagicIsMe, you must not understand how to respond properly. Enough with the random fake linkages. Admit that you are alts - since you can't hide it anyway, and get that done and over with. Trying to act as if you're not linked to MagicIsMe, but then defending them over and over again with petty crap is so childish.
It's sad, really.
hahaha. very amusing thread. Accused me all you want. You just conclude with that "correct me if im wrong" phrase to connect on other user. Almost thousand of user here use that phrase if you really are a good detective. And i am not denying that grim07 is my alt account since i already publicly announce it in one of my thread for free signature space. But all the other account you accused is a B.S.. I hope there is some penalty for all aspiring detectives here that have false accusation. My God i hate drugs. Don't take that too much guys.  And i didn't join my alt account and my main account in one sig campaign at the same time ***eating some popcorn*** And i will join to your accusation thread game. Satmas and Timelord is connected notice the way they are talking to each other. Looks like same account. Bringing back this quote I found aimed at you from back in late August: are you sure? i admit that palodar is my alt account,, you are wrong about the two.
i PM you where they came from. I don't want to argue with you too. because it's pathetic.
note: for everyone, Pilot service on account is my service especially with my Co worker in company.. we have 50/50 profit. so it's up to you now. you can check it in my IP. if we are same IP until now. Goodluck master Joel
So it just so happens that PhilPrime has a twitter account with the name "iamgrimmm" and also posts your address for the twitter campaign? As well as this? i want join and sig add
Name: philprime
Posts: 30
Activity: 30
Position: Jr. Member
Address: 3ELuzanbCPDoFPRvjpjiFwCATb62QzRwo9
Many people said the gambling is just a game and another people said it is Investment. How do you think?  Gambling is a game for me, risky game but still a game, if it would be investment you would be sure that you will get something back, while now you aren't sure when you gamble, so i think it is just a game they are both true, because we have all different perception regarding on interpreting the meaning of gambling. it's only matter the way people what he want to think about it and i won't bother any opinion of other user because this will cause a never ending discussion just like this thread. hahaha. OP must better luck it to not cause a lot of spammer in his thread.  Do you think that's a useful post? How about these? When as the projected date of the draw
Thanks for info brother. Is there any site that pay for bitcoin for freelancing?
Of course. It is easy to transfer and safe. And most important is its price is inflating.
and i don't know what i do wrong? please clearly state here if i do wrong or any rules i broke?
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
Care to explain, yet again? Because you simply just came to that thread and left. There's no reply from the pages onward until now. |
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Hello guys,
I have sent all the payments.
Thanks !
William
Payment confirmed. |
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I don't know about you, but that wallet has address: 1C3dHBqsciQvvsa2c6BUvW9H3U23fy83tT, which is used here by kif. Safedice thread archive: here.Adding on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591159.msg15979156#msg15979156[ Archive] (quote date timestamp is 1 since topic is locked and I can't quote it)
addendum Bitcoin Address: 1C3dHBqsciQvvsa2c6BUvW9H3U23fy83tT
Current Post Count: 768
Current Rank: Hero Member
Wearing Rollin Avatar: Yes
I would like to join this signature campaign. Thanks.
Accepted, you'll be slotted in shortly. |
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they're gonna have to keep upping it as the forum gets older. legendary don't cut it any more. soon there'll be thousands of them. what would be cool is if there were real benefits to higher ranks like the donators have.
There isn't a point to creating more ranks. (At least in the near future) I doubt that would really help, considering newbies nowadays still fall for even Members scamming. There, however, are real benefits to having a higher rank. You have access to the Investigations board, and you are able to manipulate your signature. Plus, is the gained experience not enough of a reward? (of course, seeing as the signature market is large, that too is a pro for many) There's no use in adding something with so little real use when there are plenty of other ideas that are better. |
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The very fact that you still think we're alts is also amusing. I'm pretty sure I know how to spell, so I wouldn't need you looking out for me.
It just seems strange that newbie starting up a ponzi scheme would have the bitcoin address of some random person. So what other evidence is needed ?
I can put anyone BTC address and you people will one day claim Zarfund is alt of every bitcointalk account. lol
Gues what see my profile. I put my another btc address in my profile which i own for a log time . 1JqxhKj4CdRqFb7mGdXVMYTMy1MQ5qShsn
So now TwitchySeal and Zarfund are connected
Dont Mess with me.
Plus, the fact that they have been defending you and trying to break the connection is very strange. Especially only an hour and 10 minutes after Timelord posted his accusation. Zarfund really seems to care a lot about you. One last point, guys... I'm pretty sure I know how to spell, so I wouldn't need you looking out for me.
Timelord was never directing a message at you. Why are you responding as if you are Zarfund? [ archive] |
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they are not thieves until they have stolen from someone .... I play these games because I profit from them as I'm one of the first in. There is nothing wrong with that, that is how it works. If you look at any HYIP, or the HYIP industry that has been running for 20+ years you will see some people make huge profit and others make huge losses. that is how the game goes. if this forum can not accept that is how HYIP works then do not allow it here altogether.
Right, so when the ponzi collapses or the owner runs away, they aren't thieves. When you're paid with other people's funds, that's not theft! That's just how the game works! "I play these games because I profit from them as I'm one of the first in." - thus, you realize that the last people in are losers, and their money is thieved, right? After all, the owners can't pay you without using other people's funds. About your last point, it's also moot since we are talking about cryptodevil's trust - the forum is not cryptodevil. Also to add, the default trust system is just that - no one really NEEDS to keep it static, and thus you may change it to whatever you wish. yes, i do know they work, anyone who googles the definition should know the word.
this is a simple solution, change the board to this description:
"This board consists of Investor-Based Games (HYIPs, Ponzis etc) that are in most cases financial pyramids (fraud). Play or "invest" at your own risk"
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. That's the forum description. It used to have some description similar to that, but did not anymore. Okay, so you know how ponzis work. So why are you supporting them? Why are you supporting the people who steal money? You're indirectly abetting them. This section could actually take off with LEGIT ponzis (ones that state they are real ponzi games and are transparent) if this censoring came to an end.
Doesn't work. Someone always gets screwed, and if it's one of those where another person needs to deposit within the timeframe, nobody is (usually) willing to go after the first depositor. The only reason ponzis survive now is because dumb people invest in them because of the high ROI (when they say they cloud mine/trade, etc. with that bs) and promotions. why can't we either ban HYIP altogether OR leave the section alone and let it evolve and eventually it will establish its own rules and regulations like every other section has?
Let it evolve into what? A cesspool for lazy scammers and idiot "investors"? It's pretty much already got it's own rules and regulations: you promote a scam, you get red-marked.
addendum: Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose. That's at the top. Do you really want to support a thread within the likely scam category? |
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