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5381  Economy / Economics / Re: Holdings of gold vs Holdings of btc on: January 16, 2017, 10:41:48 AM
Holdings in gold will last forever because it has gained trust of people for thousands of years. Bitcoin is only known for last 8 years. Gold is accepted every where through out the world but bitcoin is only accepted in some countries.
That makes bitcoin riskier than gold as investment, gold is no question more stable since it's commodity fiat while bitcoin until now there is no specific definition on how we treat it, it could be a currency or investment or both. We can have any option we can do as long as it satisfy our needs and meet our expectation in the event our investment will be successful.
5382  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: January 14, 2017, 02:28:13 AM
- My biggest mistake in gambling is played it, I have lost a long time to detox it
- At first I was just play for fun, but then I played with all the money i have
- That's bad, I felt too stupid to put money in gambling, but fortunately I have stopped gambling

congratulation if you have really stop play gambling, but i will like to say that i have decided to stop gambling for so many time and i prove it for months ever for years but after that i start playing gambling again and still playing, therefore now i changed my gambling strategy, now i play gambling for a limited time and for a limited money which prevent me from losing a lot of money in one time.
Such a good idea, I've experience to be addicted in gambling but instead of trying to stop that actually it is hard to stop so i decided to change my time and i just spend just a small amount if but both profit and for fun is always there..
I change my game plan instead of gamble in a game that honestly its boring like slots i choose sports betting not always but still gamble.. sometimes playing on poker and playing in dice but i am not staying long because i know what will be the result.
It's an evidence that you have learn to control yourself, it does not matter if you play all the games available as long as you are enjoying it and you learn to balance your time. It's all about time management and to properly manage our time, we need to make sure a big portion of our time spent for a day should not be dedicated in gambling.
5383  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin on: January 14, 2017, 02:17:42 AM
the price of the bitcoin in 2017 will reach the highest at a value of $2.500 to $4.000. the use of the bitcoin will beat Paypal. that's a little bit of my prediction about bitcoin.

Not at all, you are going to very high in your prediction, because in 2017, it is impossible that bitcoin cross $2500, and also you are talk about bitcoin might be reached at $4000. You can see, still bitcoin is going down, So should clear your mind and think what is happening now and see the reality. Because in future, your prediction help you to make money.  
But about the thread, i think now bitcoin going to down, and may be it will be stopped at $500 to $600.
In fact it will be difficult for Bitcoin to reach such high levels this year. But I don't think the price will fall to such values. I think the minimum would be in the range of $ 650 to $ 700. Under $ 650 would be very unlikely, as the cost to produce Bitcoin is very high, and many miners would be in trouble.
You prediction sounds realistic, at present the price is at $800 dollars and that is coming from $1,000. I guess the price fall back is already enough that we can see a price to stay at $800 dollars, but I am expecting it will not stay that long as another price skyrocket will again happen, if not this month probably the following month will have a vital success.
5384  Other / Archival / Re: Which one is more risky? Skill-based gambling or trading? on: January 14, 2017, 01:19:16 AM
Both are risky, and the answer to your question depends on the person who is doing it. If such person has skilled in gambling then I would say trading is more risky to him, it's very rare to see people that are good in many things. There's should be a source of income that you are extremely good. In my experience as a gambler and as a trader, I have more profit in the trading side, so trading it for me.
5385  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: January 14, 2017, 01:06:12 AM

There are just those people that are totally risk taker and they attain to gamble higher what they afford to lose.

You will be surprised to know that some people actually gamble the money that they cant afford to lose, they call themselves risk taker and I prefer to call them insane. Some peolle think that by risking everything they could finally win and perhaps double up the amount in a gambling sites and in fact it is just an insane thought
yes that is the main problem that most of the people play gambling out of their range and they the put themselves and their families in trouble. some time they even sell their houses and other property for gambling.
Well, that's already stupidity but there's a possibility that it might happen to us and we have to prevent that at all cause. Everyone must be responsible while in gambling as it's the only way we can enjoy it and last in the long run. The reality that we loses in the long run is nothing if every time we gamble we enjoy it.
5386  Economy / Economics / Re: I have 12 BTC in my Account, How should I invest this?? on: January 13, 2017, 08:20:30 AM
You can start trading by investing some btc in a altcoin. But better do a market survey about that altcoin knowing its founder, its investors, its market cap. Maximum invest in a altcoin which has survived for atleast two years as most of newly launched coins are scam. Avoid gambling sites which would give you a huge loss. Avoid investing in cloud mining sites also as it is turning to be big scam mostly.
I agree with you. With 12  btc, He can get good profit although he sells altcoin when a slightly higher price than the price when he bought it. But he have to be carefull because some altcoin could be die anytime.
There's no question altcoins can bring us good profit, however the risk is also big, so it's a 50/50 chances we can succeed. What I see now base on my own analysis, there are a lot of altcoins that has no future plan, they just start an ICO to raise funds but when the ICO does not generate decent amount of money coming from investors, they loses their urge to develop the coins, in that scenario you will lose your money. Hence, it's important to be very choosy in putting your investment, always choose the quality over quantity, although quantity is a diversification method.
5387  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin on: January 13, 2017, 07:54:51 AM
the price of the bitcoin in 2017 will reach the highest at a value of $2.500 to $4.000. the use of the bitcoin will beat Paypal. that's a little bit of my prediction about bitcoin.

Not at all, you are going to very high in your prediction, because in 2017, it is impossible that bitcoin cross $2500, and also you are talk about bitcoin might be reached at $4000. You can see, still bitcoin is going down, So should clear your mind and think what is happening now and see the reality. Because in future, your prediction help you to make money. 
But about the thread, i think now bitcoin going to down, and may be it will be stopped at $500 to $600.
Bitcoin is very unpredictable and I have nothing bad to say about your prediction because we have our own, but please make 2016 as your reference, who would thought early January 2017 we were able to see a price higher than $1,000? I guess you do not predicted that as well, right?

After we see the price we are very positive that we can surpass the all time high because the price started to skyrocket and now it's falling we changes our prediction.
5388  Economy / Services / Re: 1XBIT Signature Campaign(FULL) on: January 13, 2017, 07:39:22 AM
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5389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Season on: January 13, 2017, 07:06:57 AM
Well done knicks showing a great lead wins both handicap and ml melo and rose showed good games its really hard for bulls to win without butler wade and rondo cant carry the team. Lets me see if dallas now can win with suns making a live betting is really fun watching.

Congrats to Knicks they surely did a lot of score against Bulls 104-89. Rose surely did a great job for this game, Wade isn't the old Wade anymore his game play and play style depends on his team mates. And I guess Bulls is lacking of tandem for him. Dallas vs Suns is on the half time and the score is 57-59 in favor of Suns.
Bulls badly need Butler to be back in the line up, this two teams are really overrated but at least one of them won, lol. The Knicks deserve a win as they have been losing lately and even without the big man Porzingis, still they entertain the fans. I was not able to bet for this game since I was dismayed with the past game of Knicks.

The result is clear and prior to game I see Knicks will dominate the whole game. There are some factors pointed by one of the members here back in few pages and Im agree with some of them. The absence of Jimmy Butler is really a big factor for them plus the dissappearance too of Nikola Mirotic.

What a tiring day for Dwayne Wade lol. MCW and Rajon Rondo isn't performed well too.
You just say that because the game is over already, honestly we can never tell if a team will easily win or not. Just wanna cite one sample, the Brooklyn Nets are playing against the New Orleans Pelicans today and suddenly there best player Anthony Davis was announced not available to the game, so the line change and people expect and easy win for the nets, unfortunately, the outcome is different, the NOP wins the game.
5390  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be considered a "high risk investment"? on: January 12, 2017, 06:40:22 AM
Gambling is never an investment since its just a game with money involved unless if you decide you put your money to the house itself then its considered an investment and with that its somehow safe compared on playing gambling itself because you are on the house side which we all know who always wins therefore we could say that we could able generate profits when house is profiting too.
to me i think gambling can be consider as high risk investment. gambling is infact a type of investment but the most risky investment, because in gambling there is a very little role of your experience and your skill and you mostly depend on your luck in gambling. and no one can be lucky for every time.
What makes you lower the risk is by putting your money in gambling sites bankroll, investing is very profitable compared to making your journey of betting a professional gambler. Though the rate of return is not that attractive for people who can only afford a small amount of bankroll but it's constant. Anyway, we have our choice on what to do as long as we know the risk exposure of our venture.
5391  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your best investment strategy? on: January 12, 2017, 06:04:26 AM
My strategy is very simple buy and hold, it is not the one with the best earnings ratio but it is very easy to execute, if there is a big rise in price I will sell a small portion of my bitcoin like 10% and wait for a decrease in price, that way I keep accumulating more and more bitcoin.
why do not you sell it all, would not it be more profitable? because you can buy it back when the price falls. yeah every user has a different strategy, I respect your strategy dude Cheesy
Many people not have time and skill to see the price. Safe way for long term investment is buy and hold, sometimes I used this strategy because I work in the forest that not have more time to see the price.
Bitcoin is for all type of investors, if you cannot be a day trader you can always invest and treat it as your long term investment. The good news is there's more success holding in the long run than trading it regularly. You can see the price will pump and dump but bitcoin is a strong currency, we just have to believe that this will exist and more successful in the future so we can also benefit from its success.
5392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why some people prefer Bitcoin over fiat ? on: January 12, 2017, 05:36:42 AM
Yeah you are correct. This is putting a bad reputation of Bitcoin to the public. These are all disgraceful activities, but unfortunately we cannot do much about it. Everyone has access to Bitcoin, whether it be for a good or bad use.

As many say "BITCOIN is FREEDOM" and the reason many wants to use bitcoin is to get away from banks and governments eyes therefore, many uses it for whatever they want to use it, regardless of it being used in bad or good. We can't change that thing, it is part of the growth, there are no rules in using bitcoin and there are no government law is governing the use of it, therefore it can be used in any way we want it.

It could probably damage the reputation of bitcoin but it won't be that big, just like how fiat is being damaged by its everyday dealings.
The part where you state that we can use bitcoin for whatever we want is not completely true, if buying a particular drug is illegal in a country then it does not matter if you used fiat, bitcoin, altcoins, gold or something else, it is still illegal.

Still you can use it, be it legal or illegal, buying illegal drugs with bitcoin is very much possible. There is no governing body that  regulates bitcoin and non in the government can prevent you to do what you want with it, in case that they caught you in buying drugs, your problem will be buying illegal drugs and not using bitcoin in buying illegal drugs.
True, bitcoin is just a currency and it depends on the owner on how he will use his bitcoin. If he wants to use it in illegal activities then he has to face the risk, it can be use for good or evil purposes but in the end we are all gonna be benefited due to the increase of demand. We cannot control what people will do with their own so we just have to be responsible of what we are doing as the no one would face the consequences but us alone.
5393  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is better? To gamble or to invest? on: January 12, 2017, 04:52:28 AM
Considering the market has a tons of shit coins I think the best is to gamble and at least win if we are lucky that day. Though in long term invest is much better we all know.
How about you just avoid them? Dump coins are pretty obvious. You can tell by just looking at the chart. If no one's buying/selling, then the market is already dead, thus, a dump coin. Altcoins are having high prices because people hype the coin up, and other people buy it. Just invest in new ICOs and then sell the coin after a month or two. Just always keep an eye on the market and on the news, though, because sometimes the dev leaves the project. Investing in ICOs come with risks as well atleast it's not as much risk when you gamble.

it is not just simple on looking and observing to the chart so that we can avoid shit coin because of dump. Not all coins that being dump too much according to the chart is a shit coin, i will an example coin, For example ICN(iconomi) its price when it opens in the market is above its ICO price and then dumps hard after a month at to the point that its value is just almost 40% of ICO price and then pump after 2-3months later. This coin is a strong coin. I think it is better to make a research if a coin has a lot of supporter better than looking at price chart.
We can only say it's strong once it proven it, during the ICO it is a complete gamble to buy an assets as we just based our prediction on the road map of a certain project and ICN is just good that when it is listed in a specific exchange the price is above the ICO price. It's a quick profit actually and your effort to make a good research before investing just paid off. I believe that participating in an ICO is profitable especially in altcoins.
5394  Economy / Economics / Re: I have 12 BTC in my Account, How should I invest this?? on: January 12, 2017, 04:30:22 AM
You can do whatever you want to do cause its your money. But i only suggest  that dont invest on hyip sites,even cloud mining ,they are sometimes scam. Invest the half on trading and the other half will stay in your wallet and it will wait for the bitcoin price to go $10k.

Hyips, ponzis, and cloud mining sites will always be a scam no matter how long they operate. Invest it at something more better like trading or investing at some casinos. It will give you some good profit. But before investing always accept the risks of it. Every investment has their own risk.
There no easy and faster way of making money here that does not involved big risk, better try to analyze what is your skills and passion so you could capitalize on it. For me, the best way to spend your money is doing some kind online gambling investment and participating in ICO of new projects as sometimes when it succeeds you can get hundred of folds of your money.
5395  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be considered as a Sickness!! on: January 12, 2017, 03:04:43 AM
Gambling is indeed a real sickness if you are asking me because it something that is done by a lot of people these days, they lose everything.

Plus gambling nowadays is accessible to everyone. You just need a internet connection or a phone and then you can play, easy as that.

Yes there is no restriction on who can gamble because those gambling sites are allowing even teens to gamble. And as we know, most of the addicted gamblers are in young age and that's why at early stage of their life they are already diagnosed not with any disease but with addiction which are being considered by many as a mental sickness.
Actually they are not allowing it, there's just no system that could check to ensure the players are eligible to play. When you sign up for a new account in a certain gambling sites, before you can complete your sign up you will be ask if you are over 18 years old and agreed with the terms before you can play. If such person is under 18 and still do play, it's not the responsibility of the gambling sites anymore, they are transparent with the rules.
5396  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your new year start in gambling! on: January 11, 2017, 05:02:52 AM
I think that this is a bad mindset to enter the new year with. Im my opinion, gambling shouldn't be a big part of someone's life so I wouldn't be in a rush to gamble for a new start in the beginning of a new year. I think that it's only safe to gamble healthy amounts so that it wouldn't make a difference either way.
i do not think that it is a bad mindset to enter the new year with gambling. to me as i play gambling in limit and i always play gambling in a limit and ever try to cross that limit and that is the reason that  i never face such a big amount of bitcoin.
yes that is not a bad thing to continue gambling even in this year for those who are not putting all of their money in gambling but only gamble for entertainment. As entertainment is advised for everyone all the time which make our minds fresh.
Even though we spend a lot for this kind of entertainment but we are getting the value of our money, if one is doing it for pure entertainment, it should not be part of your new year's resolution to stop it, instead increase your exposure in gambling as there are many exciting games that will come this year due to the popular demand of gamblers in the gambling world.
5397  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The best way to quit gambling for good on: January 11, 2017, 04:55:43 AM
Quitting gambling is not something you just wake up to and say I will no longer gamble its a gradual process and one needs to know what made them to gamble in the first place...is it fun or profit? If its profit find a better job or invest your money somewhere else and if its fun try to adjust to something that won't involve losing money!

It is a fact that quitting gambling is a process and it cannot happen instantly. It is good if a gambler can't quit it immediately, he can just do it on a slow way. The slower the better and they just need to understand that gambling is going to be a source of their expenses if they will going to gamble the right way or manage to quit with it.

But if one already decided to come out from gambling then it is better to stop immediatly because if you play even after some time, then you may have a chance of again gambling on a regular basis. So gambling should be stopped instantly and try to keep yourself in some other activities to avoid thinking about gambling.

Just like what I've said, it cannot happen instantly or if there are gamblers that are good and succeeded in quitting gambling immediately then that's good for them. But we can't tell and conclude that a gambler can just simply quit with it on instant basis, again it is a process it can be gradual depending on how that gambler can overcome his addiction.

Yes, start to place small bet amount and try to avoid all betting games. Place only possible bets. And try to limit your betting numbers per day. Day by day if you cut your daily limits of bet one fine day you will stop completely. This will work out, if you get laziness in this game then it means you are slowly coming out from gambling. 
Meaning the process is slowly but constant, no one can quit directly without going into the process and I believe if someone has made a lot of mistakes in life because of gambling that needs for immediate change. Let to let go and sacrifice your urges to gamble, this is only for your own good and besides there are a lot of ways to enjoy and accept it because gambling is no longer good for you.
5398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your average bet per game? on: January 11, 2017, 02:56:19 AM
I usually bet on sports and few times on dice and hence my bet varies from 0.00001 average on dice to 0.005 on sports.
yes i also do not have a fixed bit. because my bet depend on time and situation. some time i bet a big amount while other time i bet a small amount depending on the situation and mood. but still i can say that my average bet is .0.005 bitcoin per bit.
Whatever makes you comfortable with the amount you bet is always good, personally I do not have a fixed bet but based on my estimate my average bet is BTC0.001. I don't have to play all day because I am a budget gambler and just do it occasionally.
It's more on the entertainment value than the amount you bet, some people put bigger bets but they are not getting entertain anymore because of the fear that their bet might lose. It's all about putting what you can afford that whatever the outcome you can still continue to continue your day in a productive manner. I think 0.001 BTC is good enough for a newbie in gambling.
5399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Really The Future Of Money? on: January 11, 2017, 02:42:07 AM
It can be sure seen as it but if it will really happen that is the question nowadays because no one can predict this..
No one can predict the future, but the characteristics of bitcoin make it a very valuable tool for those that distrust their governments and the confiscatory measures they are trying to impose on us, so it is very likely that bitcoin is going to become the future of money.
Your explanation is very deep but I was able to get it, the bottom line is when your country is corrupt like our country for example, our fiat is not valuable enough unlike big countries. With that sense of reality, I then now transfer my money in bitcoin and hope that it will grow in the future. Bitcoin will grow but fiat will inflate, it's the simple reality that needs simple solution.
5400  Economy / Gambling / Re: 1x฿it.com - Most Competitive Sports฿ook & Casino | ฿est Odds & Wagering Options on: January 10, 2017, 04:49:14 AM
is 1xbit belong to 1xbet ?
I think they are different. Look at the design and concept, they are not the same as each other. I have also made a small analyze in the 1xbet site and I find they do not support Bitcoin.

Looking at the design and concept, they're actually the same. They even share the same support, let's be serious, it's obvious they are the same! Even though you're subscribed to their sig campaign, you shouldn't spread misinformation, imo.
For anyone interested, 1xbet (the same as 1xbit) has a pretty large amount of complaints: https://www.google.com/search?q=1xbet+complaints&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gws_rd=cr&ei=UV1uWMKiEce9sQHCkL7ADg
Everyone is free to bet here, of course, but, speaking for myself, I wouldn't put my BTC here, at least not yet (until solid proofs are brought that they are not the same with 1xbet)

This question had discussed many times and read some previous posts if you want the answers.
They are under different management and if there's  problem will respond and resolve by 1xbit as many users had mentioned before.
We had proved it, there is no problem and great to bet on 1xbit. from my experiences.

1XBET is shitty company, and many complaints against them. Scam many people. I hope 1xbit can be good, but they are under same owner, this is I am worry about

X1BIT and  1XBET  don't belong the same owner, please try before say it is scam maybe both use the same template but are different companies.

Even if they are the same though, I think 1xbit has been performing well during it's operation and I haven't encountered any problems betting there. I would say that indeed, they should have changed the name and the UI so that they could have avoided this problem, but I think it was better if they disclosed the connection. This way they are owning up to their previous mistakes and hoping to change their image to a good one.
They can make the final decision because they have all the information to tell if they have increased their gamblers or not. It's really hard to change the name especially when people have already known that because the name is the brand of the company.

You might be starting again if you change your name and if that will happen there's still no assurance that new shitty site will have a similar name as you again.

It's an easily decision to make because what gambles looking for a site is the service not the name and from what I experience xbit has the best service so far.
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