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541  Economy / Economics / Re: The Real Reason to Hold Gold And Bitcoin on: April 09, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
The world is run by the state-bank alliance.  The top politicians and bankers jointly profit from inflating the values of money and debt with state power -- this system couldn't survive without either side.

See Dissecting the Parasitocracy.

The interesting thing is, if you buy and hold gold and Bitcoin for the long term, you can benefit.  (Just make sure you don't buy when the global empire is rising, like the 1950s or early 1990s.)  The reason is also due to the nature of the state-bank alliance.

Note that, in this alliance, the top politicians contribute state power, while the top bankers contribute financial know-how.  The politicians, being totally ignorant in this high-stakes and specialized game, are basically led around like children.  They just go along because they benefit from issuing huge amounts of public debt without being punished by the 'markets.'

So here's the problem with this alliance.  When financial asset values collapse (and this day will come, due to the incentives faced by the elites) and everyday people suffer, the politicians will put all the blame on the bankers.  The reasons are obvious (and there is no loyalty in that game,) and the politicians are going to win that argument.  The biggest such events in history include the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazi Holocaust.  In our day, politicians like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have already gone after the bankers.

Knowing that, the bankers and central bankers must prepare a last-ditch rescue for a worst-case scenario, when all trust in the system is gone.  That rescue will be some non-state-issued asset, like gold, silver, and Bitcoin, that the elites can peg their money to (at a high price for the non-state asset,) stabilize their system, and ease the suffering.  Even if the bankers think there's only a small chance for such an occurrence, it will be so devastating to the bankers that they must prepare for it.

So, the elites will try to suppress non-state assets, but won't kill them, even when given a chance.  In the long run, this presents something like a one-way bet for these assets, at current prices.

OP, nice one.
Bitcoin is king of asset classes and store of value.
No other savings vehicle can touch it, not Stocks not Gold not Real Estate.
But diversification is good, so to diversify into each would help limit drawdowns.
542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: John Nash created bitcoin on: April 09, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
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I am not finding much interest on chasing a man who is no more. I want Satoshi to be unveiled and he needs to be active here in this forum for some guidelines through which I believe bitcoin will get wide spread to new people.  

Ya, he died 2013, have you googled David Kleiman?
543  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: As it turns out, Craig Wright actually is Satoshi! on: April 09, 2017, 08:18:13 AM
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Shame on you, CSW!

Robsa comments at coindesk: "Someone or the group that invented bitcoin solved the double spending problem for digital currencies, implemented the first blockchain, deployed the first decentralized digital currency and did so while remaining unknown. They are unlikely to then act as clumsily as Wright."

Craig may have known who the real Satoshi was, and acts as if he knows that if he makes outrageous claims, he wouldnt be refuted by the real Satoshi...so he knows Satoshi died in 2013.
544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin progress in 2017 on: April 09, 2017, 12:48:01 AM
Bitcoin 2017 year has been great gaining momentum from the previous year. Getting ATH this year is an accomplishment. Experienced a lot of ups and downs, but still bitcoin is standing. Their's still a major roadblock ahead, which is the scaling issue. Debate has been going on, but I hope when the dust settles, we will see bitcoin ecosystem to flourish more. We are not even half of the year, but the price of bitcoin is looking good. We all hope that the price will continue to rise so that another ATH will be achieved at the end of the year.

Each year it gains not just momentum but continual dominant establishment. And established globally, I mean even in this forum, so many from Philippines, Indonesia, India, USA, Europe, Africa here. Many trades in China, Russia, South America as well. That is global establishment which continues to get stronger.

Bitcoin has emerged as the king of all asset classes for store of value. No other asset can touch it, not Stocks, not Gold, not Real Estate, not Bonds.

Additionally no altcoin can ever touch Bitcoin as store of value because no one will ever trust that altcoin's organizer of its premine "fairness" and Bitcoin has been already established around the GLOBE for many years.

There is power in Bitcoin's simple transmission via a communications channel to another country without requiring an intermediary. The full combination of decentralized enforced by small blocksize, immutable, cryptographically secured, established for nearly a decade, and scarce in supply is what makes it beautiful and strong.

Bitcoin cannot be transformed into worthless, expendible fiat or trashcash.
Scaling can be introduced to Bitcoin without touching bitcoins code and simply using one or many 3rd party intermediaries. Even trash cash has a vast network of such things like Visa network or Mastercard Network. The bitcoin community is much smarter than either of these networks, so wait and see.

To anyone wanting to learn more about Bitcoin or even world's financial system see post titled: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
545  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country are you from? Here list THIRTY popular bitcoin countries for trade on: April 08, 2017, 11:44:03 PM
To illustrate how global Bitcoin is, in two days the posters here had following tally;
9 responded from Phillippines
5 responded from Indonesia
3 responded from India
2 responded from USA
1 from Ukraine
1 from Bangladesh
1 from East Timor

Most other people from everywhere including these same places are silent.

I implore everyone to please look into the resources/links of the post the links really help those better understand both Bitcoin and the world's financial system: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
546  Economy / Economics / Re: Unrestricted Banking and Problem Banking on: April 08, 2017, 11:34:27 PM
Still no updated figures from US .gov to allow an update to my projected
2017 economy. They are still changing their figures back to 2013, so final
figures for 2017 may not appear until after 2020. If your income depends on
updates to US CPI for increments, suck it up, buttercup.

The reason for this update is a couple of news items on productivity:

"Yellen blamed the recession and lack of productivity for poor earnings growth. Greenspan blamed the aging of baby boomers. Given real earnings have been nearly flat since 1979 while real output is up 94.9%, those theories are obviously faulty. Doesn't the Fed bother to test their theories against actual data? You have the answer."
"Output per hour has been growing at approximately 1/2% annually in the US and other developed countries over the past five years, compared with an earlier growth rate closer to 2%. That is a huge difference, which is reflected proportionately in the gross domestic product and in people's standard of living."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-05/productivity-myths-shattered-productivity-rising-or-falling-why

You might not immediately see the connection to this item:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/03/27/These_2_Charts_Show_Just_How_Close_We_Are_to_Healthcare_Collapse1.png
"The United States is in the upper right, which shows that our per-person healthcare spending is significantly higher than that of the other OECD countries. Switzerland is a distant second place. Our extra spending doesn't help us live longer. We actually die a little earlier than our peers in Japan and most of Europe. You can quibble over details in this data, but the broad facts are inescapable. We spend too much on healthcare relative to the health it buys us. As long as that is the case, no reform plan will work."

Fix healthacre, and pensions will implode .... oh wait ...

Add to that the US "Education" System, and if you are an American, you're screwed.
But you knew that already. Maybe lying down in a darkened room will help you
feel better. It's much cheaper than Valium.

Meditate on the productivity graph. Note that each data point is an average of
the past five years. Note also that the last year plotted is 2015.

And another thing, when you are invited to "share" your anonymity with a bitcoin exchange KYC ....
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/04/the-bankers-free-lunch-continues/
"The overwhelming evidence provided by the above-mentioned (and other) economists is that once a particular speculative round runs its course, this ´investmentĦ is converted into 'gains' directed, almost entirely, at already existing assets (primarily real estate), and so does little or nothing for the productive economy."
"A couple of weeks ago, for instance, the Guardian published a long investigative piece, titled the 'Global Laundromat', detailing how 17 UK banks laundered £20/$25bn, mainly for Russian oligarchs with criminal links. The same Guardian article estimates that around £100/$125bn a year is laundered by UK banks for shadow and criminal entities."
"This though is the tip of the proverbial iceberg."
"According to the right-wing tabloid, the Daily Mail (always slavishly beholden to the Conservatives), Javid was a senior executive at DB in 2004 when it funnelled bonuses through the Cayman Islands to enrich 300 senior staff in London."


minor-transgression: I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

Yes more and more $ into "healthcare" and "education" when the results are obviously subpar in both systems (sometimes, results are countradictory to the spend). Things never go worse when you spend $ getting healthcare at a hospital, right? Wrong. Miseducation is another subject.

There are no checks and balances in fiat credit destruction or creation when the financial system has been controlled by a consortium of monopolistic central banks around the world. This is not a free market. This is much worse than a regime run by a hitler-like tyrant. Various precious metals eons ago used to be a check & balance on this, but have had cracks in its function, some blame manipulation.   

Bitcoin, however has emerged and is still in early stages of emerging as the true mirror to this controlled financial system and out of control liquidity from the global central banks. The mirror currently indicates the extent of credit/fiat creation indicative of bitcoin's continual explosion in price. It has outpaced stocks, gold, real estate, bonds. This is why Bitcoin has become king of all asset classes for store of value.

I go into this on post titled : "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
 
547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How give scaling & buy coffee with Pokemon Go or Gold or Stocks or ...please? on: April 08, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Ok, there is exact fiat value to online brokerage accounts, why cant we use this to buy coffee? Yes, theres some volatility in value, but isnt that volatility less than bitcoin?

The answer to the above questions is because FIAT / CASH/CREDIT is plentiful, expendable and is worth less over time. Fiat currencies, over time, buys less and less goods and services as the years go on.

Bitcoin however, rises in value over time (it is a deflationary currency), this is a store of value asset that people want to hold and save, like a house, stocks, gold. People don't buy coffee with these other things. You CAN still scale bitcoin indirectly like fiat credit using 3rd party intermediary such as bitcoin equivalent service of Visa or Mastercard without needing to make any changes to Bitcoin code.

Just to re-emphasize, I go into why this is here: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
548  Economy / Speculation / Re: Which one to buy? Stocks Houses Gold or Bitcoin or Bonds? on: April 08, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
Right now, best thing to buy is bitcoin, as the hardfork drama is going on and price has fallen from $1200+ to $1080.
So after this drama gets over in near future, price will surely surge back to the previous high.

I think the drama is over, for now. The price is increasing in a steady phase. So it likely that the price will surely pick up to where it was pre-ETF and maybe more. If I have big money to invest, I would go to real estates. Because real estate rise in value overtime so this is a good investment options.
You can even rent it to others so to generate more income.Once you have several properties, it becomes easier to purchase and manage more properties. So for me, houses or real estate for long term investments.



Prince fluctuations you are referring to are very short-term phenomenon - look at price from the long-term perspective. Bitcoin is the ultimate GLOBAL store of value asset, you can see what it has done these last 8 years....how about think of where the price will be in the next 8 years?

Bitcoin can be transmitted/transferred via a simple communications channel without requiring an intermediary. You cannot do that with real estate.
549  Economy / Economics / Re: Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin on: April 08, 2017, 09:35:35 PM
I held off responding hoping others would reply to the thread.

You make a lot of excellent points. I wish I had something to contribute but not so much.

If I was to apply an economic model to this discussion, I would aim for a type of thermoeconomic context. I believe that's the future and the best model to use.

But to be honest, I'm an amateur when it comes to economics/markets/trading & I've been severely slacking off for a long time now.

To the point of economics/markets/trading, look at the practical use-case of Bitcoin; a global store of value asset that may be transmitted via a communications channel.

To illustrate how global, I asked which country people were from in this small forum, of those who spoke out, in two days the following tally;
9 responded from Phillippines
5 responded from Indonesia
3 responded from India
2 responded from USA
1 from Ukraine
1 from Bangladesh
1 from East Timor

the above was a count of posters from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1853019.0
550  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Daily use of bitcoin? on: April 08, 2017, 06:26:55 AM
Do you pay directly to the Starbucks itself or does it go through a third party? Do they(Starbucks) actually verify your transaction, or is it still done by the regular network? I like the idea, I'm just a little confused. Seems like it might be a little unsafe too.

There's nothing to be confused of, you can pay directly to them, we don't need a third party or an escrow there? When you pay for your groceries you just need to go to the cashier to pay right? It is the same, though there are differences, on paying bitcoin directly, there are also verification of the transaction, though it is very fast and simple All you got to do is open your wallet, the cashier will be letting out their QR code on how much will you pay, you will scan it, and send your payment from your bitcoin address, that quick

This is nowhere near either fast or quick

And this is a difference of kind, not of degree. When you pay with cash, the transaction takes up the amount of time required to count the bills. If you pay with your payment card, the transaction time includes contacting the payment processor (in most cases it will be the bank which issued your payment card) and confirming the transaction. In both cases, it takes no more than a few seconds to get done with. No one is going to wait even a minute to get Bitcoin transaction confirmed. Until there are instant payments via Bitcoin as well, Bitcoin is totally useless in anything which involves immediate payments (e.g. at a cashier's)

This is correct and a good post, fiat (cash & credit) is generally plentiful & expendible. Trying to scale/do fast payments on Bitcoin or anything else that RISES in value over time never worked out.
Why do people not buy coffee with the stocks?
Why do people not buy coffee with their gold?
Why do people not buy coffee with the house?

Scaling can easily be achieved on bitcoin indirectly the same way it works with fiat transactions (fiat scaling = uses 3rd party credit counterparties, Visa, Mastercard), so indirectly scale Bitcoin via 3rd party counterparties.

If anyone reads this and wants to understand the dynamics of Bitcoin and why it is the ultimate store of value asset, please read this post titled: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
551  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should people use Bitcoin? on: April 08, 2017, 05:58:42 AM
Bitcoin is the future of money, or so they say.


I would like to hear your opinions on Why should people use Bitcoin?


In my opinion the phrase the future of money directly indicating that  what the bitcoin will be in future .
No doubt that​ Currently the bitcoin have many advantage over any other type of currency but here we should keep in mind that the future of the bitcoin will be More better then what in the current time .
Here currently the main reason to use bitcoin is it simplicity of earning money .
Because earlier I was wandering in my field for earning but this field proves the best for me to make earning .
Due this this earning reason I am using the bitcoin more .
Because in small transactions I can do everything with my bank mobile banking Service but I can make earning only with bitcoin in better way .

Agree Bitcoin is the future of money because it continually earns value.

People should use it because as the months and years go on, it'll be obvious that it continually simply earns more value.

Bitcoin has solved the money problem for all our lives, as it is a savings account THAT ACTUALLY WORKS TO SAVE!

It does a better job than stocks, than gold, than real estate, than bonds.

There will never be another Altcoin that can beat Bitcoin because the full combination of all these in one; that it remains scarce/limited in supply, remains decentralized via small blocks/PoW, & immutable, & has been established for many years. EVEN IF an altcoin comes out thats more limited, with smaller blocks for more decentralization, same characteristics, it'll never beat Bitcoin because the world would not trust the individual or organization of the fairness of that altcoin's "premine" and has no established track record. Satoshi died in 2014 along with his private keys.
The great thing is, even the paid shills who spread bad agenda outside and inside this forum will recognize this, and will understand that even for their own financial survival, its best they sell their fiat and buy and hold bitcoin.

Bitcoin will continue to be the best store of value on the planet.
Because bitcoin has emerged as the undisputed king of store of value asset, there is no better way in the world to beat rising costs of rent, education, traveling, healtchare, etc.

Fiat (currencies) meanwhile have been relative trash buying less and less goods and services as years go on.
As long as Bitcoin remains scarce/limited in supply, remains decentralized via small blocks/PoW, & immutable, Bitcoin will continue to be the best store of value on the planet.

If anyone reads this and wants to understand the dynamics of why this is, please read this post titled: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Is Better Than Any Banks And Any Other Third Parties on: April 08, 2017, 05:39:22 AM
Every year migrants around the world send billions of USD/EUR back to their families.The cost of sending cash via Western Union and Money Gram averages 10-20% in fees. However bitcoin is emerging as an alternative which offers lower fees and faster payments.

Bitcoin also helps allot for countries with high inflation to store value in Bitcoins.
Bitcoin helps for millions of people worldwide.

How bitcoin helps for your life?

Bitcoin has solved the money problem in my life, as it is a savings account THAT ACTUALLY WORKS TO SAVE!

Because bitcoin has emerged as the undisputed king of store of value asset, there is no better way in the world to beat rising costs of rent, education, traveling, healtchare, etc.

It does a better job than stocks, than gold, than real estate, than bonds.

Fiat (currencies) meanwhile have been relative trash buying less and less goods and services as years go on.
As long as Bitcoin remains scarce/limited in supply, remains decentralized via small blocks/PoW, & immutable, Bitcoin will continue to be the best store of value on the planet.

If anyone reads this and wants to understand the dynamics of why this is, please read this post titled: "Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
553  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country are you from? Here list THIRTY popular bitcoin countries for trade on: April 05, 2017, 04:50:22 AM
Op made the source font size too small thats why only a few people have seen it and forgot the most important part and that is, It is a list of cash trades statistics from localbitcoins which was pretty outdated now, I guess it is because this was the third time it was copied and pasted . I'm not really familiar with the word cash trades but the people on the source said that it happens when you trade bitcoin personally (face to face) which kinda makes sense why my country PH is in the last place .

Quoting OP sauce:


Yes the list is based off transaction count only at Localbitcoins.  And cash trades does not have to be face to face, for example, you can cash deposit into someone's bank, and that bitcoin seller verifies they have money in bank account and will release bitcoin to buyer.

Some countries such as Japan and also the Philippines may have many options for getting bitcoin that are more popular in that country thus in the people in that country are not forced to turn to a service like localbitcoin, like the rest of the world.
554  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country are you from? Here list THIRTY popular bitcoin countries for trade on: April 03, 2017, 05:27:37 AM
ok...I'll start.
<--- United States.
555  Economy / Economics / Re: You should never trust banks on: April 03, 2017, 04:29:09 AM
Why? What's so wrong with them?

They can terminate your account? They can freeze your money? They can evict people from property?

You mention rules, regulations, arbitration clauses, etc, now you dont think it's possible these are pushed down for a regime of monopolistic controlling Central Banks around the world, do you?

The central banks, they are good standing, doing good deeds as institutions, right?

You can read some very interesting info on central banks and how to strategize your dealing with banks in this post, please reply if you find helpful:
"Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
556  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: hypothesis: BU motivations (NO PROOF) on: April 03, 2017, 04:17:49 AM
of course , because it will be more expensive as we discussed earlier.

Right. Let me divert the topic a little. Who do you think is spamming the network and for whose best interest is he acting? All we see are cries of "Oh someone is spamming and flooding the mempool" but there is no mention of who or what group is doing this.

In theory it could be someone who has a commitment to Bitcoin Unlimited but I do not want to go there and be biased. That is why I am asking you.

looking at the dates of when the most spam spikes are

june/july 2016
and then
a long constant go at it from octobre onwards..

it appears obvious that anyone offering something from those particular dates that want to sway people into thinking their features are needed to remedy the spam would benefit from creating spam to then point out that something needs to be done.
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size?timespan=1year

june/july 2016 = core CSV
october+ = segwit

+1 Well said Franky1.

Franky1 has the answer and I recommend others to read his post.

Its obvious there are those with an agenda to undermine Bitcoin. There's a long list of names and institutions, not that hard to identify who.
557  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between Bitcoin and real money? on: April 03, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
Fiat
Buys less and less things over time (prices of things to buy go up)
Very high fees to send money across country lines
Costs atleast $20+ for a single (same-day settled) wire transfer
Can buy things quickly & conveniently
Can pay taxes
Can be mostly anonymous to do illegal activities
Is completely Regulated and controlled by governments

Bitcoin
Buys more goods/services over time (prices become cheaper as time goes on)
Minimal fees to send money to another country
Minimal fees for same-day settlement
Not convenient to use directly to buy things (however can be used indirectly for scaling options)
Cannot use to pay taxes directly to government
Is completely tracked and not very anonymous for illegal activities ; blockchain has immutable record
Cannot be regulated or controlled by governments

More suggested reading re: Bitcion:
"Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
558  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where is everyone? on: April 03, 2017, 03:53:03 AM

ETH: gone down -40%


Hey there roommateagreement - nice to see your post. To anyone who can help: how is he coming up with the -40% for Ethereum? Please help us see the calculation. No disrespect intended.

Thank you in advance.
559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has no competition on: April 03, 2017, 03:42:36 AM
Bitcoin has no competition in what race?

speed?
scalability?
remittance?
acceptance?
utility?
brand recognition?
most nodes?
carbon footprint?
anonymity?

There are many races, and rarely one contender is best at all.

OP needs to define question please

Blockchains solve many problems, and you are correct, bitcoin is solving some better than most.

Banano, Bitcoin has dominated not quite a race, but more like Bitcoin dominated the World Olympics so heavily handed that it opened up a new Coliseum to welcome and invite all competition to come and TRY.

There is no altcoin that has worked even nearly as well GLOBALLY as the store of value that Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin is nearly an unbreakable store of value solidified by the beautiful COMBINATION of being decentralized with limited small blocksize, immutable, cryptographically secured, scarce as it is limited in supply (21mil ceiling) and established over many many years. Its not one of these features, its not a combination of two or three of these features, but ALL of these features that make it the most secure store of value that can be transmitted globally through a communications channel. Any altcoin can beat at one of these features, i agree with you there.

Further points to ponder with more-in depth reading re:Bitcoin here:
"Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
"How give scaling & buy coffee with Pokemon Go or Gold or Stocks or ...please?" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851655.0
560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: April 03, 2017, 03:33:33 AM
if ppl stop buyn btc  then bitcoin will die or if government does not accept ppl using bitcoin..

i wish bitcoin never die Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
of course if the user does not buy bitcoin there would be no demand so it can make bitcoin die. but a government ban will not make bitcoin die dude

Yeah unless people will continue to use bitcoin will survive and no Government can interfere in it as it is a decentralized currency and it can die in future only the demand of bitcoin goes to zero and everyone stops using it but I don't think it will ever happen.

Agree. Government interference or "REGULATIONS" will hurt bitcoin.

Segwit / Scaling / Blocksize increases would destroy bitcoin.

However, bitcoin is nearly an unbreakable store of value solidified by the beautiful COMBINATION of being decentralized with limited small blocksize, immutable, cryptographically secured, scarce as it is limited in supply (21mil ceiling) and established over many many years. Its not one of these features, its not a combination of two or three of these features, but ALL of these features that make it the most secure store of value that can be transmitted globally through a communications channel.

Beware of those who say Bitcoin needs "fixes" or "solutions" and "something needs to be done now". Any "fixes" or "solutions" are easily introduce-able to altcoins so it makes great sense to start there than to undermine and hurt bitcoin.

No need to harm a system that many people around the world from Europe to India to Russia to Americas to China rely on.

Further points to ponder with more-in depth reading re:Bitcoin here:
"Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0
"How give scaling & buy coffee with Pokemon Go or Gold or Stocks or ...please?" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851655.0
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