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5401  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Centralized and Decentralized. on: September 12, 2019, 04:36:22 PM
What is the meaning of Centralized and Decentralized. I know it's a very very old question but i want to know more properly. I really appreciate if someone tell me about what is really meaning of Centralized and Decentralized (in easy way  Cheesy). And what is the different between Centralized and Decentralized Platform. Which one is good for regular people...?

-TIA  Kiss Kiss
You could get a hell lot of information about centralization vs decentralization. You should have probably known it by now if you would have done some googling.
If you still didn't understand it then just watch the below video which explains in brief about centralization vs decentralization.

Centralization vs Decentralization
5402  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do most of You Traders just use a Laptop for trading with??? ? on: September 12, 2019, 04:30:27 PM
I am thinking to buy a new computer. Fun. Wondering what you guys use?

Any special computer or just any ol' machine will do?! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Do you have a VPN or a personal Hotspot?

What Virus Protection do you use?  How about... Mac Afee?

Mac or a DELL?Huh Cool Cool
Well, I don't think any of these really matters if you are just using a PC for trading because all you need is a browser with an internet connection.
The security does play a role if you are storing your coins in your PC because you would want to protect your private keys with higher security.

Any PC would do fine. I use an intel i3 laptop with 4 gigs of RAM. I don't use a VPN, I just use a hotspot from my phone and without any antivirus for my own reasons.
5403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Shower thought. Bitcoin ETF bad? on: September 10, 2019, 05:24:19 PM
Although it might be good for its price, would it be good for Bitcoin as a censorship-resistant hard money?
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A Bitcoin ETF defeats the purpose of being your own bank, because you're effectively letting another company hold the funds for you. It's pretty much an oxymoron. But the thing is, not everyone that buys bitcoin is buying it for financial freedom/sovereignty. Some are simply buying because they're betting that the price will go up in a certain timespan. Here's where the Bitcoin ETF comes in: the investor wouldn't need to risk holding their own funds and securing it on their own. Instead, they let a company that supposedly knows how to secure the funds, hold it for them.

You explained Bitcoin ETF propose very good, however, can we say for sure that such a company will definitely safe Bitcoin funds and be able to increase its amount?
You are gonna risk your account for plagiarism if you do not quote the post properly. There are bots that identify a post for plagiarism automatically. Hence I would recommend you to quote the post properly.


The freedom to do what one wants with one's bitcoins necessarily includes the freedom to give custody of them to a third party. Some (such as those who are unwilling or unable to safely manage their own private keys) will find such an arrangement beneficial. And some will not benefit from such an arrangement, and choose not to use it. That's what freedom means.
And that's how the third parties take advantage of your situation and thus scam you.
Freedom does mean to do anything with your coins, but it also invites scammers and hackers to your den.

5404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reinvesting on Bitcoin after losing on: September 10, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
Did any one of you lose money buying Bitcoin?

If yes, Did you again reinvest in Bitcoin after losing?

If yes, What need you reinvest your money on Bitcoin?
I have. I have lost money buying bitcoin simply because the market went against me.
But yeah, I didn't lose hope and reinvested for I know that at some point I will recover my investment and I did.
You only lose your money if you sell but if you reinvest then you recover  Grin
5405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why haven't governments illegalized bitcoin transactions? on: September 10, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
I hardly agree with you because the reasons you specify for bitcoin to be declared illegal by the government are just absurd.
I think that the governments know the potential of bitcoin and they know that even if they declare bitcoin as illegal, people will still be using it and there will be no way they can track people using it.
So they just find it easy to regulate bitcoin instead of taking the burden of declaring it illegal.
Knowing that as long as internet is open bitcoin will continue being use so instead of declaring it as illegal that will only leads their citizens to hide it from them, it's better to work with regulations to ensure that they've still have to control in case that many people inside their jurisdictions will adopt this system, chances to see it more legalized in the future can be dictated if there's more adoptions and end users to demand it's existence.
Yes, exactly!
Bitcoin is truly open source and hence nobody has the right to declare it legal or illegal. Even if somebody does, it won't simply matter for the fact that they are not the ones who control it. A person can only control a thing if he has the ownership over it and bitcoin doesn't have any owner.
Besides that, people should start admiring for the fact that how truly open it is. I wonder why people don't recognize this mere fact and are relying on controlled, centralized fiat currencies.
5406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "We love you Bitcoin" - Jack Dorsey ( Twitter Founder) on: September 08, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
Just read a article on cointelegraph about Jack Dorsey founder of a popular social media "Twitter". He said "We love you Bitcoin".

I think this is really positive things for worldwide crypto-currency users. Most likely it would little effect on current bitcoin trend (although price start up trend before that news).

What is your opinion about that article ?
Like seriously ? The last time I heard about Jack Dorsey commenting on bitcoin was that bitcoin can never be used as a currency since it is so volatile.
And now he is suddenly loving bitcoin ? I think people are just trying to spread FUD in the market. Manipulation has gone way too far these days.
5407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible to receive a donation in bitcoins? on: September 08, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
In my life, complete devastation. A debt hole formed. The family is disappointed in me. Banks do not give loans and debts must be repaid immediately. The only person who stayed with me is my wife. I love her so much. I can’t cope with these problems and only my wife holds me in this world. Is it possible to receive a donation or a crypto loan without collateral online? And how is this best done?
Sad to hear about your problems. Family members are the ones who stay beside us in our worst times. It also shows us who really care for us and who are fake.

Yes you can accept donations in crypto but you have to provide some kind of service or something so that people can donate you something for it.
Also, I don't think anybody would give you loan without a collateral. May be you can get small amount of loans without collateral but even those are given to only trusted members.
You will find a hard time finding a loan here.
5408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We still don't have any idea about the real Satoshi, stop false info on: September 08, 2019, 03:17:55 PM
Yeah you are right. I wonder why people even create such threads. I find it pointless to discuss who will be the real Satoshi Nakamoto.
Let the guy live in peace if he's alive. If he will want to reveal himself, he will do that. Why do people keep discussing over it.
I will definitely not take them a step closer to Satoshi Nakamoto.
5409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why haven't governments illegalized bitcoin transactions? on: September 08, 2019, 03:14:57 PM
I hardly agree with you because the reasons you specify for bitcoin to be declared illegal by the government are just absurd.
I think that the governments know the potential of bitcoin and they know that even if they declare bitcoin as illegal, people will still be using it and there will be no way they can track people using it.
So they just find it easy to regulate bitcoin instead of taking the burden of declaring it illegal.
5410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you still excited when there is news about the real Satoshi coming up on: September 08, 2019, 03:04:56 PM
All news about "the real" Satoshi are just clickbait nowadays. Angry Damn "journalists"...
Even if the real Satoshi reveals himself,I wouldn't be excited,because it doesn't matter that much anymore.
The good news is that the fake Satoshi (or "Craigtoshi" Wright) won't be a threat for the real bitcoin anymore.

Exactly my thoughts. Satoshi's identity doesn't really matter any more because he has already done what he had to do.
The Bitcoin technology is what we should admire and be proud of. Satoshi has obviously done a good job but it has nothing to do with bitcoin's growth.
There are many people claiming to be Satoshi but none of them prove their claims. This is all a clickbait. I just ignore any such links.
5411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / No good projects from a long time on: September 06, 2019, 03:42:48 PM
There had come many ICOs in 2017 and a good number of STOs in 2018 and many IEOs in 2019 but hardly a few have made it to 'relatively better than others' list.
I wonder why haven't there come potential coins like ether. The only project that looked promising to me this year was bittorrent which was lauched on binance launchpad.
But even that is not going so well these days.

Is the world out of ideas or solutions?
5412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China’s Cryptocurrency 'Protects' Legal Currency Yuan on: September 06, 2019, 03:32:45 PM
China supporting cryptocurrencies could be the next big thing for the crypto community since we all know how big is it's contribution towards crypto.
The China ban on crypto did shake up the market but then the price has recovered quite a lot. Now since China has decided to back cryptocurrencies it can really be a huge thing.
5413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are you staking or mining, or both? on: September 06, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
Mining is not really worth it if you don't have the specific set of hardware which requires good amount of investment and timely maintenance.
Hence Staking and Trading are the only choices for people like us.

PoW (Proof of Work)

PoS (Proof of Stake)

The most popular consensus mechanisms.

Proof of Stake protocols are gaining traction.  

What about you, personally?

Are you mining, are you staking, or are you doing both? And why?

I'm currently staking at Binance platform by simply holding the right altcoin and wait for 1month expecting to distribute the reward at the 5th of the month, last last year I'm starting to mining bitcoin and potential altcoin but this I stop to mined altcoin because of expenses and no guaranty you will get a good amount at altcoin.
Same here mate. I have been staking on the binance platform too. Which coin are you staking ?



5414  Local / India / Re: New Committee Report favouring Digital Currencies and tokens on: September 06, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
I never believe a single word that says anything about cryptocurrencies or blockchain from the government of India unless it is from a genuine source.
Whether the information provided is positive or negative I don't trust it until it is from a trusted source. Same goes here.
Could you provide the source from where you got this document. I have not heard anything as such from an official source so I would definitely need to see the source for this one.
5415  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Experience in Arbitrage trading? on: September 06, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
I have not done Arbitrage trading since a long time but have surely tried it during the initial days of trading crypto and to be honest my experience was not so good with it.
We have to efficiently manage our accounts in multiple exchanges and Arbitrage trading is something that we can't do on a daily basis. There are limited opportunities to obtain profits from this kind of trading.
I was not able to acquire good amount of profits since I was doing all of it manually which lead to a shortage of time and hence less profits.
These days bots have become really good then they can automatically gain profits whenever there is an opportunity for Arbitrage trading.
5416  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: OTP for crypto transactions on: September 04, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
I should have made myself more clear. I am not talking about OTP on SMS based systems since it will obviously lead to centralization.
I was talking about OTP similar to 2FA which as ETFbitcoin said is already implemented in Electrum wallet.

I am wondering how OTP will prevent if you are sending crypto-currency into wrong address. OTP will ensure that fund sending by right person, it will not verify address that you are going to send funds.

I also don't see how OTP can mitigate cases where a user sends funds to the wrong address (eg. due to clipboard-malware). The only way I currently see to avoid this problem is to (1) double check the address before pressing send and (2) confirming the address over a secondary device / communication channel (eg. via phone or email). I'm not sure if there's a good solution for automating / integrating this process of recipient confirmation though.

Obvioulsy the OTP would not autocorrect the addresses but it would give us the time to double check the transaction. Many users don't even cross verify the address and simply broadcast it to the blockchain and later regret.
Adding an OTP won't help us with this but just provide an extra step thus providing an extra time to think before making the transaction.

The mainstream implementation of the OTP system is mainly with SMS based and time based. Since SMS based systems obviously will require a central party, it is out of the equation.

With time based OTP, the secret is shared with the phone which should be kept safe. It wouldn't work if the malware were to be active during the point at which the OTP is activated. In addition, for the server to validate your OTP, they would require the secret key. This means that every node (and thus everyone) would have access to your secret. It wouldn't make sense and it would make the blockchain even more bulky by storing all the data on every node.

The current implementation of 2FA wallets with multisig is the best compromise between security and feasibility.
Yes, implementing OTP directly on to the blockchain would definitely increase the blockchain's size which is why I said that the OTP should somehow be integrated into the wallet and not on the blockchain.
The time based concern is still there and I don't know how we can tackle that.

To be honest, I doubt on my idea of OTP since the verification of OTP would require a server to cross verify the OTPs. We can't implement it over the blockchain since it's absolutely stupid.
And if we implement the verification process on a server then that would break the decentralization part. Damn!

I was just thinking if we could implement 2FA in a wallet and then whenever we broadcast a transaction it would ask for a 2FA/OTP.
This would add a security layer and also give us the time to cross verify/double check our transaction before we broadcast it on the blockchain.
5417  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / OTP for crypto transactions on: September 03, 2019, 02:48:35 PM
We have seen many people complaining that they had mistakenly sent bitcoins or any cryptocurrency to an address which they didn't want to.
Many times hackers hack other's wallets and steal their cryptocurrencies.

Everybody knows what an OTP is. It adds an extra layer of security in your payments.

What if we developed a wallet and integrated the OTP feature in it which basically when approved broadcasts the transaction on the blockchain ?
In my opinion this would add a layer of security. OTP doesn't need to be centralized and hence it won't break the decentralization part of bitcoin (but obviously a centralized wallet can still break it)
5418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Police helps people to stay away from Bitcoin ATM Scheme and save their funds. on: September 03, 2019, 02:41:17 PM
I must admit that it is a bit more technical to use bitcoin and a user has to be extra cautious while using bitcoin. One click and all your money is vanished.
This is the reason why a person has to first understand what the technology is all about and then begin to use bitcoin.
I have seen many people blindly putting money in wallets without even bothering to know if the wallet is actually a genuine one or not.
5419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts on Bitcoin's Increasing Market Dominance on: September 03, 2019, 02:25:39 PM
People are finally realizing that 99% of the altcoins they're investing in still doesn't do anything; basically mostly hype.
Pretty much this.

Look at the top 10 coins. You could make an argument for Ethereum having a use case, but at the moment that use is pretty much to host scam ICOs. Monero is the only other coin on there that actually has a real world use. XRP is a centralized bankers' coin. Litecoin is pointless. Tether and EOS are literal scams. Binance coin reduces trading fees on Binance, but is pointless as a coin (Why not just charge lower trading fees? Why do they need their own coin to do so? Purely for profit.) BCH and BSV are so hilariously awful that they are barely even worth mentioning. And that's just the top 10. Quality rapidly drops off as you move down the list, and it isn't exactly high to begin with.

During the bull run at the end of 2017, it was pretty difficult not to make money in crypto. You could "invest" in literally any piece of trash, and see gains of 20% overnight. Go and have a look at some of the heavily shilled coins at the time. Here are some I can remember off the top of my head:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bounty0x/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dragonchain/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/poet/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/waltonchain/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/deepbrain-chain/

They could pretty much all have the same graph. Huge spike at the end of 2017/start of 2018, followed by a rapid fall to nothing. I have no doubt that during the next big bitcoin bullrun, there will be a bunch of newbies entering the space who will once again throw their money away on trash projects, but for the time being, the majority of people who have been involved for a while are starting to realize that altcoins are largely trash.
Totally agree with this stuff. Sometimes I feel that the only reason people invest in any altcoin is because of speculation and to earn profits and not because the coin has a good potential.
I think there will be hardly a few hundred investors who would actually be investing in an altcoin because the coin has actual potential and they believe in it.
Obvious to see the dominance increase.
5420  Local / India / Re: Where is Nilam Doctor? on: September 03, 2019, 01:51:26 PM
~snip

His last known location was Mauritius. There is chance that he will create some Alt in BitcoinTalk and scam more people with some new con. Its worth to know what he is up to now.
This is the reason why we should rather focus on educating people enough to detect and avoid such scams.
There might many scammers like this person and tracking each of them will be very time consuming and of no use.
But just imagine if we find a way to teach people to detect and avoid such scams then not only people will not get scammed but they will also teach many others to avoid such scams.
This is why I said that our focus should be on the bigger side of this situation.

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