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5421  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2015, 03:54:46 PM

But do not worry...
they are always few ones who trust me and make money with my systems.
it is the funny part about them...
no trust...no cash...(lol)

In fact ...on what are based my system?
it is more or less a cash sharing among the people who trust me...
Of course not only...but it turns around this principle...funny ...not?

I'm trying your system Smiley
I already claim few shares and my account have impressive value!

"Value of the account:5.62074E-5 BTC"

 Grin

How it is possible? How you count that?

if you see it,then it is possible.
i'm not the counter...it's the system.

it can be more or it can be less.
5620.74 satoshi  seems not so impressive knowing that few investors have already over 10000 satoshi for free.

You know,it is more or less a faucet with the difference that one can invest by buying shares for free with your claims or with satoshi if you send ones...

For me it is not so impressive to be able to offer what I offer.
Nowadays it cost me 700 satoshi or so...i can assume it (lol)

5422  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best way to earn Bitcoins? on: November 12, 2015, 12:37:36 PM

How exactly is your system risk free? Is there a trusted third-party hedge against the risk that you default? Are you able to name this insurance provider so that a potential investor can independently assess your claim and so investors can reclaim their investment from the insurance provider in the event they lose contact with you? Or is it the case that if you disappear, the funds that investors have invested also disappear? Or do you still not regard "you" as part of "your system"?

You are 100% right.

If I disappear...all investment disappears...
This does not mean that my system is "not risk free"
My system is "risk free" but not my managing.
I have already seen:
Risk free babby seats.
This does not mean that the babby is 100% sagfe in this seat.

it is same about our discussion.

I propose 2 systems.
A is a risk free system
B is a risky system.

I agree that it is risky to invest in both because all the reasons you talk about.

To resume:
it is risky to invest in winspiral's risk free system...(lol)

...
Of course it means your system isn't risk free. If it didn't, we could say that holding funds on MtGox was "risk free". If it didn't, we could say that "investing" money in a ponzi is "risk free".

You - winspiral - do not operate a risk free system. You are a part of your system, and you are a risk - whether you like it or not, whether you accept that or not. Even assuming that you're a paragon of virtue and would never run away with other peoples' money there are other ways investors could lose their money. You burying your head in the sand and pretending otherwise doesn;t alter that.

Dude, people look at your system and - rightly or wrongly - think it's dodgy. You know that - you're sensitive to comparisons with ponzis. You should be doing all you can to reassure potential investors that it's not. Instead you're running around making claims that - at best - you don't understand, and - at worst - are downright untrue. That doesn't reassure potential investors. There's nothing wrong with risk - risk is the flip-side of reward, we expect to take risks with our investments - but there is everything wrong with dishonesty. Pretending you can separate risk posed by the exchange operator from the overall risk of holding funds on the exchange, the ponzi operator from the ponzi, or you from whatever-it-is-you're-operating - these are all incorrect, dishonest, false.

They are many difficulty words in your saying...it will take me a long time to translate them and then it is not sure that i will undertand the right meaning.

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You should be doing all you can to reassure potential investors that it's not.

I have investors in both of my systems.
in principle the risk of "my default" is same for both (the risky system and the risk free one)

My investors know the difference between system's risk and external risks.
My sponsor who sent me cash to publish their banners or link have not made such story you make about risk.
They trust me have sent me the few dollars or euro and basta...
They have taken the risk that an "problem can occure"

You do not understand that I offer opportunities to make cash...
And you ask me to reassure potentiel investors?

For example in my cloudmining system i offer free shares and you ask me to reassure claimers or investors?
What do change for me if I have less investors?
Nothing...absolutly nothing.

With my "risk free" system...
why should i reassure potentiel investors?
if all actual investors stop to invest and if no new investors invest...then all profit is for me?
Why should I lose time to reassure ?

if you had taken the time to analyse my systems...(risky and riskfree) you had noticed that it is market regulated.
Absolutly no problem with the risky one where it is almost impossible that noboddy claims because the reward do increase if no claims.
With the other one...(the risk free) people have to invest...
but let suppose that the investors stop investment...then the profit will be so hudge for 0.001BTC that you can be sure investors will be interested.

It is why I have not to follow your advice...
If I reassure or not...it will not change the "external" risk.







5423  Other / Archival / Re: Last Drink You drank. (daily thread) on: November 12, 2015, 12:04:17 PM
in fact ...just drinking black coffee
5424  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN]Claiming for free - investment - comining on: November 12, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
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Free shares per claim are worth:766.25 SATOSHI.

So far this system has:
free shares' claimers
share buyers

But so far not yet co-miners.
People do not truely understand my co-mining system.
It's a pity because it is interesting for "little" miners who can earn sure satoshi with their hardware.

You can consider the comining like a service.
First advantage for you is less fees because fees are shared.
Second advantage is that you have no need to wait to reach the minimum payout...





5425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2015, 11:02:57 AM

You are 100% right...it seems.
But it seems only...
My detractors are impatient to prove it...
The problem is that the time works for me...more the time goes...more we are near to prove my honnesty and more my detractors are disappointed...
Sorry...I'm a good one...but I will not start to scam just for the nice eyes of my detractors...

I'm winspiral...not scamspiral...(lol)

I just hope that in few years my detractors will change their trust votations.
I finf that 2 negative votes from people who have just suspiscion is not so bad nowadays...

Well I think you need to try really hard in taking that negative out, because once you have it,  it is like a curse that will always haunt you, every time you will post something people will tend not to trust you at all because of it, just like when you post your money generating sites, people tend to think it would be ponzi and scam because of your negative trust.

ok...
and if people think wrong...they will not earn money with my systems.

But do not worry...
they are always few ones who trust me and make money with my systems.
it is the funny part about them...
no trust...no cash...(lol)

In fact ...on what are based my system?
it is more or less a cash sharing among the people who trust me...
Of course not only...but it turns around this principle...funny ...not?
5426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2015, 10:14:27 AM
For me it is simple:
I program cash systems...
and these systems are so astonishing and suspicious that many people search the "mistake" or the "scam"...of course they does not find something...the only simple thing people find is that the sites make profit and pay investors.

I have just one regret...
I will never know how much money all the people talking about my shity sites have made me money.

To be very honnest...it is a pity that my sites are not the shitiest of the world wide web...because if it were so...I would be rich (lol)

For short ponzi Cheesy I saw your trust ratings and it seems you're a ponzi owner, I think that's how you "program cash systems"

You are 100% right...it seems.
But it seems only...
My detractors are impatient to prove it...
The problem is that the time works for me...more the time goes...more we are near to prove my honnesty and more my detractors are disappointed...
Sorry...I'm a good one...but I will not start to scam just for the nice eyes of my detractors...

I'm winspiral...not scamspiral...(lol)

I just hope that in few years my detractors will change their trust votations.
I finf that 2 negative votes from people who have just suspiscion is not so bad nowadays...
5427  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
For me it is simple:
I program cash systems...
and these systems are so astonishing and suspicious that many people search the "mistake" or the "scam"...of course they does not find something...the only simple thing people find is that the sites make profit and pay investors.

I have just one regret...
I will never know how much money all the people talking about my shity sites have made me money.

To be very honnest...it is a pity that my sites are not the shitiest of the world wide web...because if it were so...I would be rich (lol)
5428  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: configuration for U2 on: November 12, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
And now it does work perfectly.
Is here someone who has the same problems with an antminer U2...?

I have tested my U2 with 2 different pools
if it works with one it works with both.

if all works perfectly the green led goes on and off so long it works.

It happened that the green les stayed on...but no mining then...
what does this mean?
5429  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where can I invest? on: November 12, 2015, 08:54:14 AM
just dont invest lol, ive haveplenty of bad experiences with investing in hyips, try opening up a faucet site and make money off the ad revenue, alhough itllbe tough to get started.

Its your bad I guess choosing the shitty hyips Cheesy actually it is profitable to invest on HYIPs if you invested on the right time and place Wink Still not recommended though cuz of the risks there.

+1
invest on the right time or invest in hyips where it is always on the right time.

I know your answer...such hyip does not exist...or perhaps (lol)
5430  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best investment? on: November 12, 2015, 08:49:36 AM
I've invested in a few ponzis, and all of them so far have paid out. I guess i'm... lucky?

I wouldn't say a investing in HYIPs are good, nor bad. But I'd recommend 'em. Grin

Yessss
I belive you can say:you are lucky.

I was lucky too because I have been paid sometimes (lol)
So I have not lost everything (lol)

Please do not invest in my systems...you will bring me unfortune (lol)
5431  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: November 11, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
10000 satoshi or so from faucets.
5432  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buy low or sell high. What is better? on: November 11, 2015, 07:31:09 PM
Buy low and sell high is the first rule of trading.

But you can buy high and sell higher, or sell low and buy lower also.

By selling highest you get the advantage of selling with a profit even when you have bought also high. By buying real low, you get the profit of not having to sell at a certain margin. You can wait till profit goes really really high.

Lets say a genie gave you the ability either to sell at the daily maximum or to buy at the daily minimum. What will you choose?

why should this be the first rule?
if you follow this rule you will certainly soon or late be a loser.

The first rule is:
buy if it goes up and sell if it goes down.

The usual beginner's error is to follow your wrong rule.
A beginner do buy when he starts...and sell when it is higher.
if it goes down...he waits and waits...

The old fox (lol) when he bought...and he sees that it goes down he is not afraid to sell (with lost) and so he can rebuy when it is lower.





5433  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN]Claiming for free - investment - comining on: November 11, 2015, 12:16:43 PM
I will give you some info:
Interesting for no investors yet and to compare own progress.
Soon i will report it on a page of the site.

for an investment at 16 oct 2015 the ROI is 5.28%
for an investment at 30 oct 2015 the ROI is 2.68%

This helps you to see if it is interesting for you to invest by buying shares.

I believe IMO that it is interesting to claim for free.
Buying share is more risky but the investment can you make satoshi without work.

But to be honnest...without work...the system will not generate much satoshi.

BTW...An investor has already claim a little more than 12000 satoshi.

Remember what I said you already:
Once you have claimed a good amount for free...satoshi will fall ...and fall...and fall...in your poket.

Take this opportunity at the beginning...(it's just an advice)

BZW...the beginning can last...or can end quickly.
When a day 1000 people claim for free and invest,we can say that the beginning is finished...
Then you will be glad if you have accumuleted a good amount of satoshi in you account.

I agree...most of people are suspicious...
it's always so with winspiral's systems...

Have fun.




5434  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where can I invest? on: November 11, 2015, 09:55:47 AM
Every kind of investment has it's own risk, so invest in bitcoin also has it's own risk.
If you believe it's good investment, you should do it.

Yes every investment in our real world has some risks, it's true in bitcoin world also. i believe cloud mining would be some what profitable even it's has some risk and slow ROI. I prefer cloud mining if I have some bitcoins to spend.

cloud mining is the worst idea to invest in my opinion. 99% are scams, the rest will never ROI for you in a timely manner. I do not recommend it.

and 1% are then not scams...
My cloud mining systems works and the miner does not (lol)
Had it is what is making people crazy here...
5435  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best way to earn Bitcoins? on: November 11, 2015, 09:38:16 AM
Ok I will rename it differently:
My system is "risk free" but it is "not risk free" for investors because the sky can fall on our head...(refering to Asterix and Obelix)
...

Excellent - but your system is not risk free. You are a part of your system. You are a risk. You may default. You may have your wallet hacked, for example (I assume you don't have insurance to cover such an eventuality? I assume you're in no way regulated?) If we discount "you" as a risk, we'd then have to discount MtGox (the exchange) as a risk, and discount ponzi operators as a risk. In real life this is not how risk is assessed. In real life this is why government bonds are not risk free (even though they're the closest we can get to a risk free investment - and even then, governments can and do default).

Ok I will rename it differently:
My system is risk free but not your investment.(lol)


How exactly is your system risk free? Is there a trusted third-party hedge against the risk that you default? Are you able to name this insurance provider so that a potential investor can independently assess your claim and so investors can reclaim their investment from the insurance provider in the event they lose contact with you? Or is it the case that if you disappear, the funds that investors have invested also disappear? Or do you still not regard "you" as part of "your system"?

You are 100% right.

If I disappear...all investment disappears...
This does not mean that my system is "not risk free"
My system is "risk free" but not my managing.
I have already seen:
Risk free babby seats.
This does not mean that the babby is 100% sagfe in this seat.

it is same about our discussion.

I propose 2 systems.
A is a risk free system
B is a risky system.

I agree that it is risky to invest in both because all the reasons you talk about.

To resume:
it is risky to invest in winspiral's risk free system...(lol)


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@winspiral

I think it's been a months now since you are promoting your scheme and still you don't give up. Why it needs to force people to believe you. If they not believe in you eventhough you explain then just give up and continue your investment system with your current investors today to make them vouch you in the future.

Just a suggestion and no offense meant.

@ chaser15

I force noboddy to believe me.
I talk about my "systems" here and about their progress.
People are of course free to talk about.
The problem if someone talks about in a wrong way...is not to force the writer to change opinion,but it is that other people can be mislead about my systems.

I can not for example without reaction let here saying that my systems are ponzi shemes.
5436  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 100 days plan - bitcoin.winspiral.net on: November 11, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
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Number of dividends after 16 september 2015: 2735

yes you read well:
over 2735 dividends have been paid to the investors.(more because the few ones before have not been put in the database.

i have discussion here about "your bitcoin wallet can be hacked"...
ok it is possible...but it is not the worst possible thing.(So far I can assume the few satoshi invested)

So far all is working perfectly and i'm glad to see that investors will make profit.
Do not think that it is easy to "find" profit.

it's a game...
and investors play "strategic"...
they are right.

I'm impatient to send the profit to the first investors.
5437  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best way to earn Bitcoins? on: November 10, 2015, 09:26:46 PM
Ok I will rename it differently:
My system is "risk free" but it is "not risk free" for investors because the sky can fall on our head...(refering to Asterix and Obelix)
...

Excellent - but your system is not risk free. You are a part of your system. You are a risk. You may default. You may have your wallet hacked, for example (I assume you don't have insurance to cover such an eventuality? I assume you're in no way regulated?) If we discount "you" as a risk, we'd then have to discount MtGox (the exchange) as a risk, and discount ponzi operators as a risk. In real life this is not how risk is assessed. In real life this is why government bonds are not risk free (even though they're the closest we can get to a risk free investment - and even then, governments can and do default).

Ok I will rename it differently:
My system is risk free but not your investment.(lol)
5438  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: November 10, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
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If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house?

yes of course you should.

and if bicoins goes very very high...
then you should buy even two houses.
5439  Bitcoin / Hardware / configuration for U2 on: November 10, 2015, 04:50:12 PM
is this configuration ok?

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"api-mcast-port" : "4028",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "120",
"bitmainbeeper" : true,
"bitmaintempoverctrl" : true,
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "60",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"

Sometimes my U2 works perfectly and sometimes not.

Now it does not work.

5440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best investment? on: November 10, 2015, 12:08:06 PM
Where I am - the best investment in terms of risk/reward without requiring a significant amount of skill and effort is just property. Property just keeps going up. Otherwise - you might be decent at picking stocks or if you're extremely talented (and this is edge cases) - you could pick your own stocks with your own capital. But honestly, no one is going to give you advice that works perfectly as all forms of investment are about getting an edge over someone else - in nearly everything for you to make significant money you have to 'take' it from someone else (exception is business where people freely trade money for your G/S).

ok...but how do you calculate the "risk/reward"
I have 2 investment systems where you do not know the risk and ...you do not know the reward.
Not easy to divide the risk by the reward if you do not know both...
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