Ok, we need 3 founders who are trustworthy and we don't want in the 'subcommittees'.
klee, neer.g, Pouncer, bybitcoin I think one of these will decline, leaving three. If not, top three stakeholders
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Pouncer's Proposal
This is my simplified suggestion.
Select 3 founders to be treasurers for the unclaimed funds. One to hold marketing, tech & infra respectively. Treasurers will not sit in any committee
Make this selection simple & fast by putting up 3 names and waiting for no objection (1-2 days) period. Any objections should be followed by a good reason. I suggest jl777 propose the 3 names.
Once this is settled, we can do the nomination/election process for the 3 committees.
What this will solve: 1. Unlikely for founders to "run away" with the trusted funds. 2. They will be in for the long haul 3. They voluntarily give up their right to decide on the usage of funds. Founders will not be seen as monopolising the decision making process, thereby pleasing the opponents of 1NXT = 1Vote to a certain extend. 4. Gives more opportunities to other stakeholders to participate in building up Nxt.
********** This is much better than my proposal.
James
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Pouncer's Proposal
This is my simplified suggestion.
Select 3 founders to be treasurers for the unclaimed funds. One to hold marketing, tech & infra respectively. Treasurers will not sit in any committee
Make this selection simple & fast by putting up 3 names and waiting for no objection (1-2 days) period. Any objections should be followed by a good reason. I suggest jl777 propose the 3 names.
Once this is settled, we can do the nomination/election process for the 3 committees.
What this will solve: 1. Unlikely for founders to "run away" with the trusted funds. 2. They will be in for the long haul 3. They voluntarily give up their right to decide on the usage of funds. Founders will not be seen as monopolising the decision making process, thereby pleasing the opponents of 1NXT = 1Vote to a certain extend. 4. Gives more opportunities to other stakeholders to participate in building up Nxt.
********** This is much better than my proposal.
James
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Then please change the name. subcommittee means it is subject to the main committee, not the other way around. Words mean things, stuff like this can be easily misinterpreted
lets not get stuckup on semantics...but I agree Thanks. Can we agree on "Trusted 7" (or N if we end up with something other than 7) and just "Marketing committee", "Tech committee" and "Infrastructure committee" This would clearly indicate that the Trusted 7 are holding the funds but the committees are independently deciding how to spend the funds See no reason in "Infrastructure committee" as well as in "Marketing committee" and "Tech committee". Seven (or five) people is enough to make a decision on any matter. Pouncer's suggestion is brilliant
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There has to be some debate on my proposal. I must have made some mistakes somewhere. Does everybody agree with this:
************** Proposal for Unclaimed NXT
I suggest we put up a slate of 7 trusted members that the thread discussing this will recommend. Then we put it up for an up or down vote.
If approved, the unclaimed NXT are divided among the trusted 7. They will be obligated to disburse funds that are approved by a marketing committee (3 Million NXT) and a tech committee (5 Million NXT) and an infrastructure committee (1 Million Nxt).
The election to the marketing, tech and infrastructure committees are independent from the decentralization of the unclaimed NXT. This means we can independently figure out who is on the three different committees and as soon as one group is formed, projects can be funded.
The community has already decided on 250,000 NXT per month for Marketing, so the marketing committee task is to figure out how best to allocate that budget.
tech and infrastructure committees have not formed yet, but we don't need to figure out all the details for getting the trusted 7 members in place. **************
James
Nice idea. But we should leave this to the committee. If they fuck up, they fuck up. Please clarify. Leave what up to the committee? Are you saying to revisit the allocation to marketing? Are you saying to not separate funding decisions from disbursement ability? I retract my statement. I don't have an opinion on this. Can we agree on "Trusted 7" (or N if we end up with something other than 7) and just "Marketing committee", "Tech committee" and "Infrastructure committee" This would clearly indicate that the Trusted 7 are holding the funds but the committees are independently deciding how to spend the funds
No. Let's pretend we have 12 trustworthy (that's a lot) and capable nominees when we vote. 7 go straight to the Trusted 7 (in no particular order. maybe all our marketing guys are in it). This leaves us with 5 random guys who maybe have no clue about marketing, dev, or infrastructure. And the Trusted 7 sitting there, brilliant things in their mind, and nothing happens. Wrong? Pouncer's proposal is a million times better than mine!
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This is my simplified suggestion.
Select 3 founders to be treasurers for the unclaimed funds. One to hold marketing, tech & infra respectively. Treasurers will not sit in any committee
Make this selection simple & fast by putting up 3 names and waiting for no objection (1-2 days) period. Any objections should be followed by a good reason. I suggest jl777 propose the 3 names.
Once this is settled, we can do the nomination/election process for the 3 committees.
What this will solve: 1. Unlikely for founders to "run away" with the trusted funds. 2. They will be in for the long haul 3. They voluntarily give up their right to decide on the usage of funds. Founders will not be seen as monopolising the decision making process, thereby pleasing the opponents of 1NXT = 1Vote to a certain extend. 4. Gives more opportunities to other stakeholders to participate in building up Nxt.
If the founders are willing to do this, then that would certainly be the best solution! It is much better than my proposal. It even creates a positive PR event! I have not been here the whole time, so I am not sure that I am the right person to select the Trusted Trinity, but I would say three out of klee, bybitcoin, neer.g and of course Pouncer. I am not sure the availability of the four. If all four are able and willing, then the ones with the biggest stakes left. James
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the Fellowship.... ...one committee to rule them all. Aye, so we could call them The Dwarf-lords, coz ...Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone... CfB, it seems to me that there aren't any real objections to the proposed Process. How to proceed from here? Since the Process doesn't actually select any specific people or determine any actual spending, I am hopeful that it will be acceptable. Edit: The ratio of tech to infrastructure should be changed to make sure we can fund the hubs to support 1000TPS
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Let's do fisrt things first. Cfb doesn't want to keep the money, so we need someone else. We need to choose several people and send them equal parts. Then decide how to spend the funds.
pls see link it's underway https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445209.0Been there, posted there. I'm just saying that there's no much to discuss. There was a poll and the result was that the committee make decisions how to spend funds. So let's vote for the committee members and let them decide. you have to nominate a name....then after a few days we will collect the most names into a proper open poll for the Funding Committee I see enough trusted people in the first post. some concerns have been raised about having people actively developing NXT clones on these votings, but this is not the urgent issue. The first step is to come to consensus on Process.
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Then please change the name. subcommittee means it is subject to the main committee, not the other way around. Words mean things, stuff like this can be easily misinterpreted
lets not get stuckup on semantics...but I agree Thanks. Can we agree on "Trusted 7" (or N if we end up with something other than 7) and just "Marketing committee", "Tech committee" and "Infrastructure committee" This would clearly indicate that the Trusted 7 are holding the funds but the committees are independently deciding how to spend the funds
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I have posted in main thread a proposal on the Process of dealing with unclaimed NXT:
************** Proposal for Unclaimed NXT
I suggest we put up a slate of 7 trusted members that the thread discussing this will recommend. Then we put it up for an up or down vote.
If approved, the unclaimed NXT are divided among the trusted 7. They will be obligated to disburse funds that are approved by a marketing committee (3 Million NXT) and a tech committee (5 Million NXT) and an infrastructure committee (1 Million Nxt).
The election to the marketing, tech and infrastructure committees are independent from the decentralization of the unclaimed NXT. This means we can independently figure out who is on the three different committees and as soon as one group is formed, projects can be funded.
The community has already decided on 250,000 NXT per month for Marketing, so the marketing committee task is to figure out how best to allocate that budget.
tech and infrastructure committees have not formed yet, but we don't need to figure out all the details for getting the trusted 7 members in place. **************
Please post feedback in main thread.
James
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I think we are saying almost the same thing. I see it more as the trusted members are there to hold the funds and disburse it when the subcommittees approve it. The "Funding Committee" should NOT be above the subcommittees. Otherwise the conflict of interest could happen. The trusted 7 need to be separate from the subcommittees, NOT above.
Separation of deciding and access to funds. It is common sense
They will be separate....funding committee can;t tell subcommittees how to spend their funds. Then please change the name. subcommittee means it is subject to the main committee, not the other way around. Words mean things, stuff like this can be easily misinterpreted
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Doesn't that cost some NXT?
YES! ...1 NXT I think people will prefer less steps and not being charged to vote
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Please clarify. Leave what up to the committee? Are you saying to revisit the allocation to marketing? Are you saying to not separate funding decisions from disbursement ability?
James.... Funding Committee: ~ 9 million control Subcommittee: 1) Marketing: 3,000,000...paid out 250,000k per month. 2) Infrastructure .....to be determined. 3) Tech....to be determined. SUBCOMMITTES determined their own spending plans..... I think we are saying almost the same thing. I see it more as the trusted members are there to hold the funds and disburse it when the subcommittees approve it. The "Funding Committee" should NOT be above the subcommittees. Otherwise the conflict of interest could happen. The trusted 7 need to be separate from the subcommittees, NOT above. Separation of deciding and access to funds. It is common sense
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Not fair to the people that can't send an AM. For example people on the road and whose laptop can't run NRS. I say keep it simple. Just a forum post, "Approve Process" or "Reject Process" for the vote on the process. "Approve Slate" or "Reject Slate" for the trusted members. Everybody will be able to see the votes, everybody will be able to make sure no sockpuppets. This is too important.
the OPENPOLL will run for few days. Many trips last a week or even two Simple is better. Everyone can post. We can just make a new voting thread so it doesn't clutter the main thread. Why do you object to this? no your making things complicated...i'm sure 99% of persons will be able to send an AM & post their account no. & nominate name on the open forum poll on Nxtcoin & nxtcrypto.org. I don;t see the difficulty in this.....it's quite SIMPLE. So you are saying that sending an AM & post their account no. & nominate name on the open forum poll is simpler than making one post here? I must be really tired because to me doing one post seems simpler than doing a post and sending an AM. How do I send an AM? Doesn't that cost some NXT?
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There has to be some debate on my proposal. I must have made some mistakes somewhere. Does everybody agree with this:
************** Proposal for Unclaimed NXT
I suggest we put up a slate of 7 trusted members that the thread discussing this will recommend. Then we put it up for an up or down vote.
If approved, the unclaimed NXT are divided among the trusted 7. They will be obligated to disburse funds that are approved by a marketing committee (3 Million NXT) and a tech committee (5 Million NXT) and an infrastructure committee (1 Million Nxt).
The election to the marketing, tech and infrastructure committees are independent from the decentralization of the unclaimed NXT. This means we can independently figure out who is on the three different committees and as soon as one group is formed, projects can be funded.
The community has already decided on 250,000 NXT per month for Marketing, so the marketing committee task is to figure out how best to allocate that budget.
tech and infrastructure committees have not formed yet, but we don't need to figure out all the details for getting the trusted 7 members in place. **************
James
Nice idea. But we should leave this to the committee. If they fuck up, they fuck up. Please clarify. Leave what up to the committee? Are you saying to revisit the allocation to marketing? Are you saying to not separate funding decisions from disbursement ability?
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Not fair to the people that can't send an AM. For example people on the road and whose laptop can't run NRS. I say keep it simple. Just a forum post, "Approve Process" or "Reject Process" for the vote on the process. "Approve Slate" or "Reject Slate" for the trusted members. Everybody will be able to see the votes, everybody will be able to make sure no sockpuppets. This is too important.
the OPENPOLL will run for few days. Many trips last a week or even two Simple is better. Everyone can post. We can just make a new voting thread so it doesn't clutter the main thread. Why do you object to this?
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I have posted in the main thread a proposal for the Process to deal with the unclaimed coins. Please give feedback on the main thread
************** Proposal for Unclaimed NXT
I suggest we put up a slate of 7 trusted members that the thread discussing this will recommend. Then we put it up for an up or down vote.
If approved, the unclaimed NXT are divided among the trusted 7. They will be obligated to disburse funds that are approved by a marketing committee (3 Million NXT) and a tech committee (5 Million NXT) and an infrastructure committee (1 Million Nxt).
The election to the marketing, tech and infrastructure committees are independent from the decentralization of the unclaimed NXT. This means we can independently figure out who is on the three different committees and as soon as one group is formed, projects can be funded.
The community has already decided on 250,000 NXT per month for Marketing, so the marketing committee task is to figure out how best to allocate that budget.
tech and infrastructure committees have not formed yet, but we don't need to figure out all the details for getting the trusted 7 members in place. **************
James
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There has to be some debate on my proposal. I must have made some mistakes somewhere. Does everybody agree with this:
************** Proposal for Unclaimed NXT
I suggest we put up a slate of 7 trusted members that the thread discussing this will recommend. Then we put it up for an up or down vote.
If approved, the unclaimed NXT are divided among the trusted 7. They will be obligated to disburse funds that are approved by a marketing committee (3 Million NXT) and a tech committee (5 Million NXT) and an infrastructure committee (1 Million Nxt).
The election to the marketing, tech and infrastructure committees are independent from the decentralization of the unclaimed NXT. This means we can independently figure out who is on the three different committees and as soon as one group is formed, projects can be funded.
The community has already decided on 250,000 NXT per month for Marketing, so the marketing committee task is to figure out how best to allocate that budget.
tech and infrastructure committees have not formed yet, but we don't need to figure out all the details for getting the trusted 7 members in place. **************
James
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Ho I see... But I'm heavily invested in XCP too. So argument invalid.
? You say I am pathetic and I am writing junk. That is standard troll behavior, sorry to make a mistake about that. I hope you can be civilized. Did I make a math error? Did I make a false assumption somewhere. What part of what I wrote is junk? I make mistakes and would like to correct anything that is wrong.
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Guys, please... What the... i have no oversight of all the funds and donations and bounties and what ever... could someone clarify what we have, what we might have, who is in charge of what right now and why the hell was I not an investor 2 months ago?
I think it is something like - 10 or 11 Mio. unclaimed NXT fund (CfB) - 3 Mio community fund (?) - ~300k fund (salsacz?)
9'063 kNXT + 10 BTC is controlled by me. Part of this money is already reserved to be spent. And the other 'funds', guys/gals? NXTcommunityfund in my sig. I am trustee and responsible for allocating funds, rickyjames is the only one who has access to the funds. It was funded by aldrin, Pouncer and neer.g plus mystery donor
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