Bitcoin Forum
June 24, 2024, 04:44:11 PM *
News: Voting for pizza day contest
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 [277] 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 »
5521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Right to endanger? on: December 27, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
Let me rephrase: do I have the right to endanger your life? Is it only morally wrong if you actually get hurt?
Can the proposed ethical rule, "No one may endanger the life of another person," be applied universally to all people without creating any logical contradictions?
5522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Right to endanger? on: December 27, 2012, 05:17:48 AM
Why do people like you insist on using such stupid logic
Because it's the only way to deliberately obscure and confuse the issue.
5523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is ripple a trojan horse that will destroy bitcoin? on: December 26, 2012, 10:35:37 PM
Gold and bitcoin are both past-looking, where holding gold or bitcoin is prima facie evidence that a party has already in the past done something of value for society.  Dollars and ripple are more forward looking, where one party has received something of value, and the other party is hoping that they will do something of similar value in the future to redeem that particular debt.
I'm not sure the distinction you are trying to make holds up to scrutiny.

"one party has received something of value, and the other party is hoping that they will do something of similar value in the future" describes any currency transaction. The customer who pays for a meal with currency has received something of value, and the restaurant owner hopes to receive a product or services of similar value in the future. It doesn't matter whether the customer pays with gold, dollars, bitcoins, or ripple. How the customer originally received the currency isn't particularly relevant to the present transaction because what's being traded for is future production. If for some reason that future production never happens it won't matter what form of currency was used.
5524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Importing Private Keys in Satoshi Client. on: December 26, 2012, 08:52:33 PM
A client/server UI makes a huge amount of sense. Then core devs can focus on the backend and others can create various interfaces including POS interfaces, or protocol interface layers etc.

This would also allow for a much simpler Electrum server install. I believe if bitcoind had an "address history" rpc call then it would be enough to support Electrum server as a thin layer over top and not need a full MySql/Abe/patched install.
If the Electrum server would only need to be a thin layer after some additional rpc calls are added, why not just move that functionality into bitcoind itself?
5525  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rational Ethics on: December 25, 2012, 10:02:45 PM
these communities appear to be iterating toward libertarianism.
I think we can only ignore the obvious for long before the strain of cognitive dissonance becomes too much. I don't think government has more than a generation or perhaps two left before people no longer believe in it.
5526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rational Ethics on: December 25, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
If you post on here comments like Stefan is a "cult leader" then I will have to assume that you lack the intellectual ability to engage in anything more meaningful than childish name calling.
Those kinds of attacks aren't surprising coming from people who are openly sociopathic and/or evil but it's surprising that he gets a lot of flack from the "old guard" Libertarians too.

I can't help but notice that while a lot of them have been pontificating from the safety of their think tanks Molyneux has actually been out in the trenches advancing the application of the NAP in real terms. I don't know of anyone else who can claim to have advanced libertarianism by convincing tens of thousands of parents to stop violating the non-aggression principle with regards to their children.

Maybe they're upset that Molyneux is actually getting results in the real world?
5527  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: December 24, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
(along with changing the version number to 0.86.4).
Since there is no tag for 0.86.4, can I assume this version refers to commit be2485ff1d893b5f1bc4ef840b70326e438e58a8?

Yes, that is the correct commit.

It's not a real version.  It's more just a way to remind yourself that you're on the testing branch (if your version number is higher than the latest release).  Can you just attach to the that particular branch (testing) instead of the tag?  Or do you need the tag?  I expect a "final" 0.86.4 release would have more than just these two lines of code changed.  It's more like 0.86.4 will accumulate these changes until it's ready.  I have been meaning to setup auto-incrementing super-minor version numbers (so this would be 0.86.4.123), but I haven't decided the best way to do it. 

I'm definitely open to recommendations for how to make this fit into other users' use cases.  It sounds like I'm missing something...
I was confused because I thought it was a real release. I won't make an ebuild for it then until there's a real release.

I can make the armory-9999 ebuild always point at the testing branch.
5528  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: December 24, 2012, 06:41:45 PM
(along with changing the version number to 0.86.4).
Since there is no tag for 0.86.4, can I assume this version refers to commit be2485ff1d893b5f1bc4ef840b70326e438e58a8?
5529  Other / Politics & Society / Rational Ethics on: December 24, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
An Introduction to Rational Ethics

Universally Preferable Behavior
5530  Other / Off-topic / Re: KILLVISION D&b Dubstep Hip Hop EDM Music production on: December 24, 2012, 04:12:42 AM
I guess dubstep is the best 'mainstream music' contender for the dubious award of 'least musical'
Dubstep is hipster for, "I slept through the lecture on melody in music appreciation class."
5531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is ripple a trojan horse that will destroy bitcoin? on: December 24, 2012, 02:34:25 AM
All the old stuff about the old Ripple thing all took the idealistic stance that you would issue credit to your neighbors/friends out of nothing, basically giving them a line of credit.

But surely you could equally well only issue credit in an amount equal to actual "deposits"?

Afterall, banks tend to have two types of credits they give you, the easiest to get is your account balance, which you get by making deposits and they grant in amoujnt equal to your deposits. Getting an actual "line of credit" is harder.

So here is how I see it non-idealistically working, taking that hard drive at the restaurant case for example:

1) The restaurant deposits with/in you a meal worth one hard drive, so you issue them credit equal to one hard drive.

2) The restaurant gives the employee one hard drive, so the employee issues them credit equal to one meal.

I am not sure why you give the hard drive to the employee, it seems to me you'd give it to the restaurant, and any deal they make with the employee is out of scope. So lets try again:

1) The employee deposits the meal with/in you, so you issue the employee the hard drive (deposit the hard drive with the employee).

2) The employee buys the meal from the restaurant with their wages.

That maybe works.

The important thing is, you don't issue credit to until you receive a deposit, in this case a meal, and the employee does not issue credit to you until you deposit the hard drive.

This way it works like the credits known as "bank account balances"; the credit represents a deposit you already received.

The old Ripple system's documentation/propaganda/literature  jumped right over that stage, directly to "lines of credit", in which you issue credit before receiving the corresponding deposit, which is, of course, risky.

There is risk the other way around though too: the restaurant takes the risk that after depositing the meal in your stomach you will not see fit to assign them any credit in the Ripple system...

So its still the same old same old "who sends first" thing...

-MarkM-

I can see this working in a B2B context, as an alternate way of resolving the trade credit they are already extending each other.

If all the businesses in a town use each other's services on net 30 terms with each other they could use Ripple to exchange the credit directly and save the step of actually transferring dollars unnecessarily.
5532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is ripple a trojan horse that will destroy bitcoin? on: December 24, 2012, 12:17:32 AM
Yes for Ripple.  No for Bitcoin.

Yes for dollars.  No for oil.

Yes for euros.  No for gold.

What do all the yes's have in common?  They are all based on promises, upon which the promiser can default.
What do all the no's have in common?  They are what they are, no more, no less.
It's just as easy to promise, and then fail to deliver, oil as it is for dollars.
5533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is ripple a trojan horse that will destroy bitcoin? on: December 23, 2012, 11:40:53 PM
I definitely don't see it as a threat to Bitcoin, and I see it as a complement that, if it works, will reinforce Bitcoin.

The biggest fundamental difference I see is that Bitcoin is a platform that issues "Bitcoins" and keeps track of them, and Ripple is a platform that lets the participants issue IOU's and keeps track of them.

A ripple IOU is only as valuable as you deem it to be, and how the law deems it as well.  Here's a problem the way I see it: Ripple will have chargebacks enforced by law, regardless of whether the technical design allows for them!

Ripple will have interesting security and legal implications all its own that differ vastly from Bitcoin.  With Bitcoin, if someone hacks your computer and steals your bitcoins, the consequences are limited to a) your coins are gone, b) the thief gets away with coins in numbers no greater than what you originally had, and c) the coins are now arguably tainted to the extent they can be traced back to the theft.  No laws can change any of that.

With Ripple, imagine someone hacks your computer and uses your private keys to create an IOU to them for a million dollars.  A lot of big questions remain to be settled.  A Ripple IOU for an amount like that is totally dependent on its legal collectibility, and in the US (and probably most other jurisdictions), you can't create a legally binding debt on someone else's behalf just by forging their signature, even if your forgery is convincing.  A dispute over collectibility would boil down to whether the digital signature was judged to be genuine - and not in a mathematical sense, but whether it accurately represents a commitment intentionally made by the key's owner.  If the mathematical validity can be set aside by a judge, it longer has any value and there is no point in depending on it.

The problem gets even more complicated: if it's for a million dollars, it's easy to point out that that must "obviously" be bogus, but what if it's fraud for a much smaller amount and comes with a much less ridiculous and more believable story?  What if it crosses international borders?  What if the participants are subject to conflicting laws, where one party's jurisdiction recognizes a debt and the other's doesn't?  What happens when uncollectible debt is traded from participant to participant, numerous "links" deep?  At some point, what's the value of Ripple's decentralization in the first place if its proper functioning is so dependent on socially-based agreements?

All it takes is a few high profile incidents where people repudiate large Ripple debts because they were "hacked", and suddenly the whole thing is threatened by the premise that any obligation you buy might be bogus because somebody along the way can claim the original obligation doesn't exist because they were hacked.
Do you really think the ability to interface with legal system for enforcement is important to a borderless technology like Ripple or Bitcoin?

There plenty of theoretical work describing how reputation systems are a more reliable way of enforcing good behaviour than legal system and the recent drama with blockchain.info provided a glimpse of how this would work.

It's a waste of effort to worry about legal enforcement because all of that work is pointless as soon as two people transact who are located in incompatible jurisdictions. At that point you need some alternative to legal enforcement anyway so you might as well just use those methods from the beginning.
5534  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: December 23, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
Ever since I upgraded bitcoin-qt to a pre-0.8 test version. Armory will not leave offline mode.

Quote
You are currently in offline mode because Armory could not find the blockchain files produced by Bitcoin-Qt. Do you run Bitcoin-Qt (or bitcoind) from a non-standard directory? Armory expects to find the blkXXXX.dat files in

%s

If you know where it is located, please restart Armory using the " --satoshi-datadir= to notify Armory where to find them.
5535  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin and Money Laundering on: December 20, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
If some wealthy person buys alot of bitcoins then volume wont help, if they can buy 10% of all bitcoins with their cash.
If 10% of the bitcoins in existence change hands every month, buying that many will cause a larger price movement if 10% of the bitcoins in existence change hands every day.
5536  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin and Money Laundering on: December 20, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
The price needs to be much higher, so that very wealthy individuals won't make a sizable impact by deciding they want to put a chunk of their savings into Bitcoin.
This is more a function of velocity than exchange rate.

The exchange rate could be more stable than it is now at a lower value if the volume was higher.
5537  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deterministic wallets on: December 20, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
It is how the world outside Bitcoin works. Companies use a limited number of accounts to reduce audit effort.
What is an "account", if not an arbitrary grouping of transactions?

What happens if you call an extended public key (defined in BIP32) as an "account"? The extended public key is a single unique identifier so there's no reason not to consider the root address and all its children to be a single "account". That it can be subdivided into a hierarchy is just an implementation detail.
5538  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deterministic wallets on: December 20, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
Merchants may actually opt for re-using the same account frequently to have simpler audit.
Is this hypothetical merchant who is reusing a single receiving address doing all his accounting on an abacus?
5539  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deterministic wallets on: December 20, 2012, 12:10:26 PM
If I buy a Mars bar with a $100 bill, well, the cashier knows I have some money, but this is hardly a privacy leak worth worrying about.
With paper currency there isn't a permanent public record of every bill you've ever owned.

The severity of an information leak here has nothing to do with the amounts being spent. Combining outputs makes connections which make it easier to identify spending.
5540  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Prize for best video explaining bitcoin source code - 10 BTC on: December 19, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
I was thinking maybe getting this guy to narrate the video.
Better choice: Stephanie Murphy
Pages: « 1 ... 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 [277] 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!