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5521  Other / Meta / Re: Registration using username which contains digits only on: October 04, 2015, 09:42:33 PM
But I do not want use any letters. This thing is weird. Are this improves something?

I don't get your problem with using any letters? Why is that an issue?

I think they just wanted to have a name like '1337'[1], but even though it was free the rules for usernames somehow do not allow that. I dont know why exactly, but I know - as I posted above - there had been some issues with account names recently and that might have resulted in overly strict rules. It might also be totally unrelated and the rule is in place longer.


[1] that user actually exists -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10704
5522  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: BLOCKCHAIN Issue ! never seen this before on: October 04, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
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so bro is it possible that after a payment unconfirmed in our btc it can be reversed? because the other friend above said wait for 1 confirmation before sending?

Yes, unconfirmed transactions can be reversed. Well not actually reversed but pointed at a different address, which is essentially the same. Usually its very complicated and it would not explain why you received the (or some) coins anyway. Let me try to explain what the current problem is.

If you send a transaction it gets an ID, this TX ID is just an hash and not all parts of the transaction are actually signed by your private key. There are parts that are not signed, but hashed, thus if someone takes a transaction you created and modifies a part of it that is not signed they can change the hash. That is all they can change. They can not change where the coins come from, they can not change where the coins go to and they can not change how many coins are transfered where. Only the hash. Now, why is this important if the important parts of the transaction (the part that deals with the coins) are the same? Its important because of the way transactions work. They always refer to an old transaction. They create a long chain of transactions back to the block where the coins have been mined and created. And this reference works with the TX ID. You create such a chain and the TX you use along the way must not be confirmed. You can create a TX A that sends coins to your friend, who uses them without a confirmation (because he trusts you) to create another TX B to send some coins to his girl. Now this attacker comes in and changes your TX ID. Now there is TX A, the modified twin of A, lets call it A2 and B. B is only valid if A gets confirmed. As it happens durring this attack A2 gets confirmed and B now points to a transaction (A) that is no longer valid. A tried to use the same coins as A2 and A2 is confirmed, thus A will be removed from the memory of all nodes that know about the block that confirmed A2. Your friends girl will be pissed, but its not your fault nor your friends.

In your case I suspect that blockchain.info warned you about a TX like A, but A2 was confirmed so you got the coins anyway. They are the same coins your tradepartner send you, they just arrived under a different TX ID which caused the wallet to get confused.

5523  Other / MultiBit / Re: [Multibit] My wallet just sent twice to the same address on: October 04, 2015, 07:58:25 PM
Thanks for the answers, after some time 1 of the transactions disappeared and everything went back to normal Smiley

I am curious about this. Did you do anything? Reset the blockchain data on multibit classic or "repair" on multibit hd? Do you use HD or classic?
5524  Other / Meta / Re: Why is my bought account banned? on: October 04, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
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wait 90 days

Read the more recent posts above, they evaded the ban. There is no chance the account gets unbanned in 90 days.
5525  Other / Meta / Re: Trust List Analysis - Alt Account Identification on: October 04, 2015, 07:10:34 PM
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What if I told you that I did not post this yesterday because I was pondering whether or not I should post how to easily game your analysis, but still see identical trust ratings? I have not gambled for a while, would you be willing to make it a small bet?
I don't really understand your point. This analysis isn't meant to be the "no one can have an invisible ult account ever again" system, its simply used to unearth several 100 of them already in existence. Most of which are used for evil purposes.

Maybe I just expected more than similarities between trust lists. Its certainly interesting work, I just dont think it can do what you suggest. On the other hand I might not have the background to judge the significance.
5526  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Transaction was previously accepted but has been pruned from our database. on: October 04, 2015, 06:01:31 PM
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Can someone please explain to me what the f**k is going on?

Its called "malleability" and its an attack currently run on the network. Reset the blockchain[1], your TX has probably changed which might have resulted in issues with the site you gambled with.

How can transactions which are confirmed disappear like that? They were very small bets so it doesn't affects me that much but what if they were bigger bets and this thing happens, what if someone buys bitcoins and pays the other person after seeing the confirmations and the transactions vanish later??

They do not disappear they just changed their ID, it confuses wallets and services.

[1] electrum has a function for in under tool IIRC.

I see, so it's another attack, I had to google it to understand what it is and apparently attackers can mess with the transactions, this was in the news 2 days back but I missed it:

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The attackers change the transactions without any knowledge of the private keys involved.

The change does not affect the source, destination, or amounts of the funds, so it isn’t obvious when it happens.
source: Bitcoin Under Attack: Coinkite Reports Malleability Attack & Urges Caution


But one of my transaction did disappear, I made 2 txs last night, one got it's ID changed and was later broadcasted with different ID but the event was over by then and the 2nd one it was broadcasted and confirmed when I went to bed and now there's no trace of it in my wallet or on any block explorer, as if I didn't made that tx, which is really weird and if that hadn't happened, I would have won a little something.

I am guessing here, but its might be possible that your 2nd TX used the change from your first. Not sure if you are familiar with change, but your bitcoin balance consist of inputs you can use. These are transactions you have received in the past. Similar to bills you have to use them entirely. E.g. if you received 1 BTC in a single transaction in the past and want to spend 0.4 BTC now. You (or your wallet) would create a TX that uses the 1 BTC as input and create two outputs. One output for 0.4 to the address you selected as recipient and one output for 0.6 to an address that belongs to your wallet. Electrum even shows a list of change addresses IIRC. It is possible for you to use the 0.6 send back to yourself in another transaction before the 1st TX is confirmed. If however the 1st TX gets modified and is confirmed with a different ID the 2nd TX links to an input that does no longer exist. This is because the inputs are identified by the transaction id. Usually TX IDs do not change so its not an issue. While the attacker is modifing random transactions this is a problem and would result in what you describe. The 2nd TX essentially vanished from the network as it became invalid the second the modified 1st transaction was confirmed.


I will see if I can reset the blockchain in Electrum, I haven't ever done that before. But is there a way to prevent this from happening?? Or after how many confirmations the attackers can't do this?

There is a possible solution, at least for bitcoin core, but I dont know how good it is or if its even ready. I will need to read up on that myself. Its called BIP62[1]. This attack can only be done on unconfirmed transactions as long as you wait for a single confirmation on any transactions you receive or send and do not require the transaction ID to be exact you should be fine.

So I'll put in my bets much earlier and give them time to get confirmed.

You should definitly check with the betting service, you are probably not the only person that had this problem. They should require 1 confirmation for now. These chains can also happen with withdrawals from services, but way longer. E.g. they take a big BTC input and issue a payout with it, use the change for another and repeat that once every few seconds. This could result in a long change of transaction that suddently become invalid once the 1st modified TX gets confirmed.

Thanks shorena for clearing my doubts, you're always so helpful.  Smiley

You are welcome Smiley

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0062.mediawiki
5527  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: blockchain.info wallet negative balance? on: October 04, 2015, 05:40:57 PM
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I see. So there is someone doing this on purpose?

Yes.

For what reason?

I mean really , why Huh Undecided
Because I am able to do it.
5528  Other / Meta / Re: Trust List Analysis - Alt Account Identification on: October 04, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
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Which could be argued to bring in bias since it relies on your perspective and past experiences.
If 2 people both have Theymos, John K and BadBear in their lists, the correlation would be 100% but it doesn't tell us anything about the relationship between the two accounts because its so common. The current version doesn't weight based on frequency yet so it needs manual filtering.

I agree that some additions to a trust list might be common while others are not, my point was that it brings bias if you alone decide it what is common and what not.

There are different ways to get the same result and only the direct copy would be noticable by your reasearch. Additionally for those that actively try to hide their alts its very easy to manipulate their list in such a way that they no longer end up over 0.8 or any other limit for that matter.
The more you ask about the algorithm the easier it is to game, but as you'll see in later releases its no where near as easy as you're making it out to be to mask your list if you want it to be functional. The last batch I processed last night used ratings as low as 0.5 and there are plenty of strong correlations down there, so a future run will take even more. I also set maximum matches to 5 thinking most of these guys wouldn't have more than 5 but there are plenty already hitting that boundary.

What if I told you that I did not post this yesterday because I was pondering whether or not I should post how to easily game your analysis, but still see identical trust ratings? I have not gambled for a while, would you be willing to make it a small bet?
5529  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: October 04, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This btc address: 14ohJQacYpBKxLfgrZHBST8u95ahx2ocV6

belongs to lorylore on 5 Oct 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
14ohJQacYpBKxLfgrZHBST8u95ahx2ocV6
IFIiab4s78TZPZ9b1Lv+uI4DxbDdJpcdvn8isO/XabRq6MCMWjYzpHnorfAIA5EjMlhSecKNva1/M/xEprwJBkQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

verified (via core)
5530  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: falsche Überweisung on: October 04, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
seht euch vor kinder hier wimmelts nur so von kriminellen

Das ist korrekt, immer fein wachsam sein. In diesem Fall gab es aber für mich gar nicht die Möglichkeit etwas zu klauen. Konnte OP helfen und habe dankend eine Spende für meinen Server erhalten.
5531  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: blockchain.info wallet negative balance? on: October 04, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
Something very strange happened today. blockchain.info let me send 1.48 BTC when I only had 0.6.  I had a incoming transaction of 1 BTC. For some reason it made the sending transaction twice (received and sent BTC in the same block) and it is displayed as unconfirmed and my balance is negative.

screenshot:

Can I remove the unconfirmed transaction? Why did it send twice?

It did not send it twice, but the transaction you send (A) was modified along the way by a node. This create transaction B that spends the same coins and sends them to the same address as A, but has a different transaction ID. This is called a "malleabiltiy attack" and can be fixed by contacting blockchain.infos support. Only A or B can confirm never both.

More here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1198032.0
5532  Other / Meta / Re: Trust List Analysis - Alt Account Identification on: October 04, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Just to make sure we are on the same page. This is a measure how similar peoples trust lists are as well as a measure how large (as in complex) the average trust list between the two is. complexity(A,B) := [Count(A)*.3 + Count(B)*.3] / 2
The closest thing you'll find to this is the Jaccard index.

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You take two sample sets. You count the attributes shared by both samples (call this Z). You count the attributes observed in only one sample (call this X). You then count the attributes observed in only the other sample (call this Y). Finally, you can calculate the similarity index by using the three counts in this operation: Z / (Z+X+Y).

Thanks for that.

It does however not - assuming here, please correct me if Im wrong - take into account how likely it is for someone to end up on a given trust list in the first place. From the trust.txt I downloaded just a few minutes ago I see that - as expected - certain users are more often on someones list than others. You have a top list for this as well IIRC in your other thread. E.g. theymos is on 170 different trust lists, dogie on 34.
It does not, that's why I'm manually screening anything I release at the moment, there are plenty of "strong correlation" results I filtered out because they're common results. Depending on how much time I invest in this, I may filter out some of the top people altogether.

Which could be argued to bring in bias since it relies on your perspective and past experiences.

I also cant follow the premise that a person would use an identical (or very similar) trust list over multiple accounts.
They do, because for anyone not in DefaultTrust (99% of people), the only utilisation for their trust list is to show who's ratings they want to see. And regardless of which account they're using those preferences generally remain constant.


To sum it up, what makes you draw the conclusion that similarity of trust lists has anything to do with alt accounts?
Past experience.

It did not for Quickseller and the (now known) alt, just to name one example of someone with a hidden alt and a highly modified trust list.

There are different ways to get the same result and only the direct copy would be noticable by your reasearch. Additionally for those that actively try to hide their alts its very easy to manipulate their list in such a way that they no longer end up over 0.8 or any other limit for that matter.
5533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin Core 0.11.0 forcing to re-build/download the blockchain. on: October 04, 2015, 03:59:44 PM
Some times by mistake my pc gets shut down by a family member without the Bitcoin Core client gets closed first. Once I open the client, it forces me to re-build/download the entire blockchain while the entire blockchain is already in its place. What can I do to prevent it from re-building which costs nearly a full day?

Always close core first before you shut down the machine. Let the little window say "do not shut down until this is gone" finish before you shut down. If you do not follow the advice the programm gives you its database might corrupt and will need to rebuild. On a slow machine it can take several days, but it will not download the blockchain again. It uses the local data.
5534  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Transaction was previously accepted but has been pruned from our database. on: October 04, 2015, 03:54:53 PM
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Can someone please explain to me what the f**k is going on?

Its called "malleability" and its an attack currently run on the network. Reset the blockchain[1], your TX has probably changed which might have resulted in issues with the site you gambled with.

How can transactions which are confirmed disappear like that? They were very small bets so it doesn't affects me that much but what if they were bigger bets and this thing happens, what if someone buys bitcoins and pays the other person after seeing the confirmations and the transactions vanish later??

They do not disappear they just changed their ID, it confuses wallets and services.

[1] electrum has a function for in under tool IIRC.
5535  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] [HIGHEST PAY] COINUT.COM ★ Signature Campaign ★ Pay per post ★ Weekly ★ on: October 04, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Well thanks for the payment but one question why the payments goest to coinut instead were we wanna the money ? this only make us waste some satoshis into the fees.

Its not uncommon for services to pay to your account instead to an address. Considering the payment rate per post the withdrawal fee should not be an issue.
5536  Other / Meta / Re: Registration using username which contains digits only on: October 04, 2015, 03:45:38 PM
But I do not want use any letters. This thing is weird. Are this improves something?

Previously it was possible to have a username without any visible symbol or was visually identical to another username, which - as you probably can imagine - lead to issues. I suspect that the new rules are a bit stricter.
5537  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: New transaction malleability attack wave? Another stresstest? on: October 04, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
Good thing you only wasted an hour. I'm waiting for over 6 hours for this particular transaction to confirm: http://btc.blockr.io/zerotx/info/844f88ef20fb5d2d2ecf897772d429d9bca1d3cab6314e5ed3017b48940f096a

This tx will not confirm.  It belongs to a tx chain that has already been invalidated by a malleated tx (original is here).

Bit-x signature payout gone wrong. This is exactly what you should not do currently, spend unconfirmed inputs.
5538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the biggest scam that's ever been in Bitcoin? on: October 04, 2015, 03:35:37 PM
Any information about this?

Yep, a dedicated thread to collect them all -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337.0
5539  Other / Meta / Re: Someone is spam posting just to raise post count on: October 04, 2015, 10:16:06 AM
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Maybe are alt accounts made on the purpose of making some kind of earning by selling those accounts once they reach a tot activity or post count, i find it sad that the off-topic posts are higher then the others...

If thats the reason its the dumbest approach I have ever seen. If you want to sell an account, you better not atract attention because you spam the board. Put the negative ratings on top of that and the account is worthless.
5540  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: October 04, 2015, 10:10:31 AM
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So we tag ponzis after they ran with the money?

if you tag before you can kill innocent ones
If you tag after it is almost too late.

If you think putting all in the same hole and recover them for ever is the best solution then tag...
but please do not cry in the future if you are killing with innocent ones.
perhaps a day you will be in the same situation as me for an other fact.

For you if people do not think same than you they are on the bad side.

No, that is just your interpretation. You claim to be innocent without addressing any of the issues I presented you.

Why could people among themselves not play ponzi?

Why advertise outside of the ponzi section if you want to stay within? Notice how I dont tag anyone that stays in that section? Because I dont have a problem with ponzis in general, I have problem with people like you that present overly complicated systems and try to pitch them as safe investments.

Ok about scammers...but you cannot know in advance if a ponzi runner is systematickly a scammer.
if you think that ponzi's and investment systems are against the rules on this forum,then propose to the rule changing and we are then with forul rules and not imaginative members rules.

I dont think ponzis are against the rules, scams are neither. Trust is not about rules.

if here each member imagine his own rules it is the end of this forum.
If all members here believing that you are wrong "tag" you...what would you say then?

Depends on the wording of the rating. I have little problems with people leaving me negative ratings out of spite, its pretty obvious anyway.

Do you believe then that you are "over" the rules too?

No.

With this kind of attitude towards all of this you guys are getting dangerously getting close to the 'guilty until proven innocent' mentality,

Yet we are no judges, we do not imprison anyone, we can just issue warnings. There is a big difference here in the power someone on DT actually has and the power a court has.

I personally do my best to avoid sites that do dodgy shit and also avoid the ones that put silly restrictions on what I can and can't say about them. However, you can't prevent stupid people from pissing away their money on ponzi schemes, you can only really warn them, if you lot go into a scorched earth policy with this kind of thing you'll have a lot of angry newbies posting around and a lot less people will be willing to register here and it will make even me consider staying the fuck out.

Its all I do, its all anyone on DT can do, nothing more.
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