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5561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: zcash soon 0.2 btc! on: March 13, 2017, 05:48:50 PM
I can't understand how this coin works because once there was really panic in people when it's prise was some bitcoins, thousand dollars. Than it quickly falled and now is 50$. How the hell is this coin so changeable at the same time and so popular? To my mind it isn't the coin you trust because such high rise and fall, that's unbelievable.
5562  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the best short-term investment you have ever made? on: March 13, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
If this thread is about bitcoin, than I don't but some people who bought it when it appeared firstly, they made huge short-term investment.
Sharing experiences here is really good for new members. My short-term investment was ethereum, despite the fact that simply put small money, sometimes it's only luck. I doubt mostly everyone here will post about altcoins because dash, ether and etc quickly become pricey coins.
5563  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Would you rather use Paxful or LocalBitcoins and why? on: March 13, 2017, 09:26:56 AM
Localbitcoins is mostly useful for trade in choosen country but to my mind that doesn't matter, they are good. I would choose paxful for small amount of bitcoins but I would choose localbitcoins for really big deals. Localbitcoins is mostly known and trustable as I know and heared on this forum, also their automated escrows are really good.
5564  Economy / Services / Re: PERSONAL TRAINER <<GET THE BODY OF YOUR DREAMS>> CHANGE YOUR LIFE on: March 13, 2017, 09:00:04 AM
Hello, can you to make one free vouch for me? I don't need to loose weight but I need fitness program to get sexy body  Grin
5565  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Does C.A.T work well? on: March 13, 2017, 08:14:32 AM
That is known and mostly selling software on this forum but remember that C.A.T isn't a money making software, it helps you in trading and there are always chanses of profit and loss. Mechanism of it's work is simple, buy with lower price and sell on higher price. That software is making that actions automatically.
5566  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Start Mining nowdays. on: March 13, 2017, 06:59:49 AM
You say that you want best but with thay money you can't to buy. I don't know if antminer s7 is profitable with free electricity but it will be better if you will add some money and than go and buy antminer s9. If I amn't wrong, ROI with free electricity is 140%. Also you can to try altcoin mining, bitmain is working on antminer l3 (thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1734098.0) or baikal miner or GPU mining.
5567  Economy / Economics / Re: Mining fees will eventually kill bitcoin on: March 13, 2017, 06:06:43 AM
Well, that mining fees have two side. It has positive side for miners and gaves them stimulus to mine and mine because nowdays transaction fees are so high that mining rewards are high now. So for bitcoin users, which use bitcoin for payments, than fees are very bad. Nowdays I have to send minimum transaction with at least 0.0006 btc fee to receive it normally.
I agree you, that fees aren't attracting people, they are worst.
5568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Antminer L3 - 250mh - 400watt Scrypt miner coming soon on: March 12, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
I haven't tested this miner but I think it is good with it's price and by the way it's bitmain. One great side of this miner is that on market there was already baikal miner, dash miner and some etc things, also despite that fact people were using gpus. Now that means that leading miners seller, bitmain is going to come here, in altcoin section and I think we with that passed way, we will get great competition.
5569  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Unconfirmed for 6 hours now, first one confirmed in 5 minutes on: March 12, 2017, 11:26:51 PM
Sometimes that time is normal for bitcoin transactions but if it seems that transaction isn't confirming the way you were excepted, than you can to try bitcoin accelerators. Well, some people suggested you viabtc accelerator, which is free but also there is one morr serious choise, that's pushtx.btc.com. <-- transaction accelerator owned by bitmain but that isn't free and you have to pay.
5570  Other / Off-topic / Re: Young people should go all in on bitcoin on: March 12, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Well, to populate something than that's best way. If young people will start to use bitcoin, than after some years we will see bitcoin as a first payment system, but also that young people are depended on nowdays businessmans. If they won't offer us bitcoin payment, we won't be able to should go all on bitcoin, to my mind if anyone will realize, investing in bitcoins will be great way for young people nowdays. Also price will rise and it will help them in future.
5571  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC back to 1,200+ on: March 12, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
Maybe we will still achieve higher than 1200$ because now is 1180$ but to my mind people had to keep this prise stable but as we see many people sold bitcoins near 1100$ and that's really bad. We mustn't let bitcoin's price to fall and we must try our best to keep it rising. I still have hopes and maybe we will get stable 1300$ because we saw in winter that bitcoin quickly rised from 600 to 900.
5572  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Are quantum computers closer to becoming reality? on: March 12, 2017, 08:08:28 AM
If you think that bitcoin is in danger because of this invention, than I can't agree you because goverments have powerful quantum computers, there is no doubt. Also there are many talented hackers and nowdays no one was able to damage bitcoin system. I don't say that there is nothing impossible but technologies are developing, so that means bitcoin will be developed if there is need.
5573  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are Bitcoin mixing sevices safe? on: March 11, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Bitcoin mixers are for you to feel yourself safe, so that automatically means that you avoid to receive coins used for criminal. A user sends mixers their BTC and we cap it onto the end of our reserve chain. This method of mixing means that you do not have to wait for other customers – coins already mixed are instantly available. That is the main idea of mixers but it's better to see what every mixer offers to you, that was quoted from bitmixer.
5574  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin overcome Paypal? on: March 11, 2017, 08:44:51 PM
Yes you nailed it. There is no comparison between bitcoin and PayPal as bitcoin has so many features and jargon free which we cannot find in PayPal and cannot expect as well, In other words PayPal is a failure method and Bitcoin is the future as day by day more and more merchants have started accepting BTC and more countries are going cashless so there is a lot in store for BTC which PayPal can never achieve.
hah, do you understand what do you say? Do you have ability to get back wrongly sent transaction? While shopping, can you get your money back?
Also how can you consider bitcoin and paypal in one way? Bitcoin is currency and paypal is operating online payments. Only one thing I can to agree you is that bitcoin is becoming popular every day.
5575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why would there be just one cryptocurrency? on: March 11, 2017, 12:25:04 PM
Why won't we focuse bitcoin on that? We need something trusted and unique and bitcoin is that. Well, wealthy competition is always good and we hav ability of that but nowdays mostly altcoins can't to offer us such services and they are doing hard forks, lets take etherium for example. Also another factor is that there are many big datacenteres, exchangers and there is much, really much invested in bitcoins and everyone knows that bitcoin is really most trusted coin.
5576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 11, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
@metalmag = For Mining, if you need to use AC, you're not doing it right.  Especially if your region upper temperature is that cool.  Again I'm in the 40C in the summer and others are even higher in Arizona and we can do it fine.  Even if you have free Electricity the cost of buying, installing, maintenance, etc is very high.  Let's do some quick math.

Assuming Free electricity.

10 Rigs = 4 TON AC @ $4-7K each depending brand and SEER levels installed.
100 Rigs = 4 x 4 Ton AC  $40-70K.

1 x 4 Ton uses at peak up to 60AMP.  So you're wasting 600AMP just for AC alone!  Now you have to factor in that you will need around 600-800AMP more for your 100 Rigs so the total is up to 1400AMP.   Even Commercial space the transformer may not be powerful enough to handle 1400AMP as you're sharing with other tenants.  You can request for more power if it's available but they will charge you for it.  Now this isn't even taking the consideration of the 80% rule which means you really need at least 1700AMP.  This is taking you into Industrial spaces which requires very large warehouses.   So you're talking about something you can achieve for less than $40K which includes 600AMP of power to drive your rigs into something well north over over $200K and require special zoning to accommodate.  If you design your environment right, you SHOULD NOT need AC.  Mining is a Mathematical game.  Even at 3cents / kw, you won't even be able to compete against someone with 10 cents KW even you have to use AC.  I would invest that money into more RIGs and a better layout / exhaust strategy. If you have that kind of budget, it shouldn't be hard.  To win in this game you must keep your cost low and invest the rest into HASH.

@yslylung - Yes Finksy just got his 150 Picos in.  Your price is very competitive for a custom solution.  Finksy's cost is actually still lower so there's a small margin for reseller on top but his goal is to keep the cost as low as possible for the community.  He's sending me 20 units to test for my different Prototypes designs.  I have 10 of the HP 1200W including the V6 breakout boards plus more 4KW to play.  There's never a 1 size fit all solutions and always pros and cons with every options.  The HP solution is best if you can get them in bulk for $20 or less each as there's breakout boards $25-30, Pico $30 and cabling cost $18-25.  That brings you to about $105 for the normal consumer.  People will always argue that you can buy a ATX for almost the same price with better future resales, yadda yadda.  Maybe you can during hot sales but the cabling and configuration will not be as sexy.  The issue with this solution is that many people in America use 120V which this PSU can  only deliver 900W vs the world on 240 which this PSU can deliver 1200W. I don't have this issue so I'm not concern.    Also the HP 1200W have only 1 TINY fan, I'm not sure how well it can handle the heat but man does that fan make a LOUD pitch noise!!  This thing is definitely not something I want to run inside my house.

For large miners the 4KW is important as they don't want to rearrange rigs after it's installed in the RACK.  They also want be future proof and plug things in and never have to really think about power usage later one.  Heck most people didn't even know that ZEC and ETH first version and current version consumes WAY MORE power.  So if they're sizing based on original estimates, they're screwed.  However as you said, if you have a PSU go down, you're not just affecting 1 rig but multiple.  That's the downside, the upside is that each breakout board and PSU is so cheap, there's no reason why you shouldn't have at least 1 spare bundle if you're a large miner.  Swapping is super fast and simple.  Efficiency for PSU is also better when you're using less than 70% of load and that will be harder to do on the HP.   I like bother solutions and at the end of the day, paired with PCI Risers and Picos, I'm really liking the Server PSU setup so so much better.  No more clutters.

I have design prototypes that will take advantages of both the PROs on each solution.  At the end of the day, if you're a large farmer, you will have a variety.  There's no solution that can meet every need.   But I do think that once people see more of the cool server PSU and PICO designs now that we PCI Powered risers, they will LOVE TO GET their hands on these PICOs.

I and metalmag, we are from same country. Well, in summer temperature here mostly is between 35-40 degree Celsius. Electricity isn't free but if you have contract with bitfury (gldani free zone, both are one shit), than it's cheap, at least good for mining. Well, I agree you that investing in HASH is the main will. If I amn't wrong, BitFury and metalmag are doing thing similarly, than that means something is wrong on BitFury's side? Why didn't they choose that?
Hope metalmag will come and answer us of course. P.S your suggests are very good and thanks again.
5577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 10, 2017, 10:50:41 PM
This is some nice airflow setup, can you be more specific about pulling the AC air from the ground?

This is a typical DC airflow diagram bro, most if not all data centers are designed like this ...
I mean what are the most cost effective ways of data center air cooling systems?

The air is pulsed from the ground through grilled plates that replace the normal floor plates and pulled by negative pressure, made from the racks intakes and the hot aisle separation/ceiling air-pull, this is the most efficient design as air cooling goes, and the sad part is that you have plenty of datacenters that aren't respecting it fully, even though it has been invented for nearly 25+ years now. You also have some system variant, but the principles are the same.


Wow, that's very great, I haven't seen such mining datacenter ever because mostly everyone use airflow system. I guess it won't be your only cooling system and don't you think that that will be smally waste of money?
As I know Bitfury is using air flow system as I know because mettalmag has mining center here, near bitfury.
5578  Economy / Economics / Re: Are central banks losing control? on: March 10, 2017, 10:25:01 PM
Nowdays everyone is trying to get bitcoin in their hands and it won't be surprise if we see that someone will lose control and someone will gain, that is and will be provisory with current situation.
Cryptocurrencies are vastly superior to typical fiat currencies, but they are nowhere near as convenient at the moment. It will take a long time until a bitcoin world appears. For example, if you wanted to pay for a beverage like a Coke with Bitcoin, as of now it would be take around 30 minutes for the transaction to be confirmed, not to mention having to input the restaurant's address. It is just much quicker to hand over a note and get your Coke instantly.
Such servises aren't working the way you said because no one will wait 30 minute for buying coca or etc. For example look Foldapp, they offer us to buy starbucks coffee with bitcoins instantly but you have to use their wallet so transaction is instant without any confirmation.
5579  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Obligation of miners to return excessive fees on: March 10, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
Well, it's not their duty to give you back your mistakenly sent fee but to my mind that situation is very important, 2.5 btc isn't small amount. Did you contact them? Also what was amount of sent bitcoins (not fee, only interest). Also man, mostly every web wallet and pc wallet tells you recomended fee and nowdays (or in the past) no one is making such fault, to my mind we need to take some changes in bitcoin protocol to automatically limit such high fee.
5580  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Day trading on: March 10, 2017, 07:54:53 AM
It depends on how changeable is altcoin's price. For example if one altcoin is changing daily 4-5% than that's better to trade daily and if you think that that altcoin is new and will have good or great future, that it's better to try long term investment.
So if price is changing frequently and you are very good trader, than try daily trading, everything depends on situation and you have to decide which option is better.
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