Because this is a SCAM, they generate a FAUX 'G' address for U, but they hold the PRIV-KEY, later U mine, and guess what, they steal your coin.

If U didn't generate YOUR address on a private off-line system, then its NOT  your address

Pls why are you even asking questions like this?

This is newbie 101, in time I think "Getbitaddress.com" which works offline will support BTG, then u might be safe, but for NOW U must assume that ANY  SITE THAT is called or call themselves ...

BTG*.COM is a SCAM site.

BTG*.org scam sites

BitcoinGold*.* are scam sites



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Hell U want a 'G' address, I will make one for you and post IT and PRIV-key for you, and do as you wish

Every site on the internet is a SCAM, including sites that promise to generate you BTC addresses.

There is a REASON that we download the full-node software run it offline and generate our ADDRESSES offline with 'CLI', because then that way we know for sure that NOBODY but US has the private-key.

If U don't have the priv-key, you don't own the coin, if somebody else has/had access to the priv-key, then THEY OWN YOUR coin.

Well that's why I keep saying HOBBY

It's rich guys hobby to buy 1/2 dozen high performance GPU boards

I watch these DUMB youtube videos about these kids who have spent $25k on credit-card debt, show their 'rig miners' the u-tube is fool of this stuff, now these are people are going to end up just in debt.

I already had GPU's, from cuda machine-learning years back,

I played BTC in 2011, I played BTC in 2014, but there was always viruses in the software miners, and I didn't want to BUY asics that I would have to trash, when GPU mining became viable because of GPU friendly algo's, now we can play, and re-deploy our HW forever,

I don't think 'investing' in TEN solar panels is that BAD, resell is very easy, and you can always re-deploy the system to taking care of your house, I know that at my home 'electricity' is my single biggest expense, If I went 24/7 100% solar, for the house the payback would be much less than a year, I just don't bother because I don't want a 'critical problem', if my miners fail nobody cares, if my hot-water fails while the wife is having a shower I'm in deep shit

Our hobby's should effect other people, I was hoping from this thread to learn the experience of others an entire solar system is less than $500, and a single 1070 gpu card is $600, if your solar-system keeps running and providing you 'free electricity', it doesn't take long to pay for itself, hell right now I spend close to $100/month for electricity, before I was BIG on my mining hobby my electricity cost was $10/month; My wife threw a fit first time she saw the bill post mining, I just remind her that I pay the bill not her, but she see's it as throwing money away, as she points out "she never sees these bitcoins"

IMHO a solar-system is a very small part of the cost of a full rig, the problem is scaling, from experience 10 panels to keep battery's charged 24/7 for 6gpu 1060-3 miner rig, but if you went to say 10 1070 rigs 10K watts, I would need close to 100 solar panels too keep that amp-hours fed into the battery's to prevent discharge during non-solar times,

The good thing about solar-mining is that you can control the TEMP&POWER so with a smart rasberry-pi controller, you can easily manage your cards to work-less if the battery power predicts discharge prior to sun-up.

Again, its all about the "HOBBY"

I don't think of this as an INVESTMENT, but I do agree that we accumulate lots of different coin, and perhaps one of them will go to the moon, ... perhaps, but just like GOLD or GUNS sometimes you must wait decades for the price to rise.

In the class of investment, if your young, BUY real estate, make your BIG money the old fashion way,

In this SCAM, best is to clone your own ALT-COIN and market the hell out of it, and then you might 'get rich', but odd's are against you, as the old saying say's if it was 'easy' to get rich, everybody would be rich,

MOST BTC legacy people are NOT rich, most have lost their coins; Most of these people sitting on a million alt-coins can't really sell them cuz the price would collapse. Just like the IPO market, these things really aren't that easy.

The number of people that make BIG MONEY is always very small.

Solar is much cheaper than the MINING hobby,

Download the wallet at github.com/btcgpu, compile and run

Start the daemon

Run the cli and type "getnewaddress" you will get a 'G'

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But two weeks ago they turned off main-net and made the code just run in test-net, which generate 'mn' addresses that don't payout,

U MUST HAVE a "G" address, I think another BIG scam here is they want ppl to MINE on btc addresses or bad addresses the pool doesn't validate


ewbf example "miner -u "BTGisaScam" -p x -server pool.gold -port nnnn

This will run, teh BTGisaScam is a valid address, cuz they just want your HASH, they don't have any attention of paying shit out, even testnet coin

If U use a 'G' address U may get paid out, but there is no evidence as there is NO working block-explorer

I have been pool mining and solo mining on BTG 3 weeks and I have NEVER seen a payout testnet or mainnet

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To get a 'G' address download the github, go into bgoldd-daemon.cpp, and comment out the two lines that say "if not -testnet exit()", then recompile, now you can run in mainnet

Then go to "bgoldd-cli getnewaddress"

Get your G, make sure to print and save the DUMPPRIVKEY

Good luck

BITCOIN-GOLD ( bitcoin clone that uses equihash ) already exists, its called "BITCOIN-Z", and its 100% ready NOW

A 1060 rig will net you 2,000 BTCz's a day right now, why waste time with a new shit coin?

Zcash is real, why would ppl making REAL MONEY on zcash and/or zencash? Jump over to a scam-operation?

I have been mining pool and solo mining BTG for weeks, what do you want to know?

Today there is only one pool "POOL.GOLD" and its been running 3 weeks and idiots directing 1000K sols/sec has to it so they can re-direct the hash to a profitable equihash pool ( no working software )

U must have a "G" address in order to mine, but they turned that off, easy to mod the current code to enable 'mainnet' just two lines of C++ in bgoldd-daemon.cpp that need to be commented out.

It take 2-3 days to download the BTG main-net block chain, may want to run prune to speed up the process, but then unless your solo mining, you don't need the full node,

Run the full node for a minute to get your 'G' address via CLI, do it now, don't wait until they release the code on github.com/btcgpu

POOL.GOLD is a scam, find a pool that works ( none right now ) that is paying out,

As of now there is no block-explorer that works, so there is NO way to know that any testnet coins have been paid out

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Current release date will come&go like they last 4, NO way in hell this bitch will be ready 12nov

They haven't tested the testnet code, its not 100% implemented, most of it doesn't work

They haven't even written most of the new main-net code, where the hell is it going to come from?

Beware that 1000k sols/sec have been directed to pool.gold that be $1000 USD in zencash a day, if 12nov people start mining in MASS, then the re-direction of hash pool.gold to make these people up to $100k/day, if say they get 10M sols/sec hash-rate on pool.gold by IDIOT miners, hoping to get free shit-coin.

NICEHASH rips off buyers and sellers, nobody is going to make money selling their GPU hashrate to nicehash, they don't pay in BTC, they let you have an account that uses a faux BTC number, but you never get use your own private key, and they never payout, they want u to go to the nicehash store and buy their hw from a hw company they own, or they want you to payout to paypal where they charge 50% fee,

Nothing 'nice' about nicehash,

BTG is a scam,

OCT 25 came and went no-fork

Nov 1, came and went no testnet

Nov 7, came and went ( last promised time for main-net )

Nov 12, will come and go, there is still NO working test-net, and they have NOT tested main-net, nor have they coded it

PPL are still burning 1000K sols/sec on POOL.GOLD owned by github.com/btcgpu, same ppl, and redirecting the hash for 3+ weeks now,

There is NO working software

Price still hangs at $150 USD for BTG because day-traders are idiots, ppl who play alt-coin monopoly are insane, but it will go  to zero, it always does

BTG doesn't have shit to do with BTC, no bitcoins were ever involved in making BTG,

BTG is 100% chinese/russian/bulgarian klusterfuck ran by the infamous "Gang that couldn't CODE"

Move to China,

Mining in California?

Businesses are leaving the state quicker than they're being created

Do you realize that if you have an office you must pay tax, and have biz license? U integrate all the costs of "Doing Biz" in CALIF, nada

Pray tell why do you live there?

Consider DALI CHINA ( in Yunan ), its beautiful, cheap power, and the old women openly sell marijuana in the markets, there are kung-fu temples in the nearby mountains that you can train anytime you wish, when your not mining are getting high, or chasing chinese girls

Kunming is nearby to DALI and has more computer HW shops like FRYS than San-JOSE

You can buy HW for 5% of the cost in USA?

I beg to ask... Why the fuck would U even bother?

Say your rig Example U have given, you would even keep 50% post expense, total in the cost of HW, but power, and then the real COST of doing business in CALIF? I think you fail to realize that your miners would only be 10% of your cost, cuz the STATE would tax you 200% on any profit you made.

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Right now the MOST profitable coin to MINE would net you $450 on a GTX-1070 class rig(6gpu), that before you subtract your cost of ELEC, so your telling us that you plan to run a NEGATIVE  PROFIT? and still pay rent&taxes??

The $450 is now, more&more ppl are jumping into GPU mining, so the $450/month profit is ONLY going to go down, ( six gpu rig metric just one ok ), you power cost would be $120 in calif, so you profit maybe $300/month per rig, ...

As we ALL know, the only ppl who make money are the ppl who get FREE electricity,



Go to CHINA


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Lastly, your numbers are suspicious, I have 1070 rigs and I know how many watts they consume I watch them like a hawk, I'm always trying to reduce my power, to keep my monthly bill down.

I suggest you work with one 1070 and learn how much power it needs, I would say with equihash you can get 450 sols/sec just fine at 100watts, so say you had a btc-12 mining rig, that's 12 1070's at 1200 watts + 200 watts for cpu/power-supply

1400w * 30 * 24 * 0.22 ( don't full yourself, one mining rig pushes the house-hold tier into high tier, I know ) = $200/month per rig

450 sols * 12 = say 6,000 sols, that's $30/day, or $900 less your $200 electricity, so you profit $700/month per rig

Your problem, is you need to learn how to run your rigs at 100 watts per 1070 @ 450 sols/sec,

But again the REAL problem here is your profit of $900/month before costs is NOT GOING to LAST, too many people are jumping on the GPU equihash bandwagon

Just like DASH bitmain D3 it went from $400 week to $2 week in month, ... too many ppl doing the same thing

Is electricity expensive in your place??

Do U live in a place where electricity costs more than 0.20 KWH??


Do you spend lots of money on electricity for your mining hobby?

CRITICAL POINT  here, and you don't want the GOV to know, just like pot growers, once your ELEC usage goes above say $200/month, you bring all kinds of authority's looking at you, especially when your running 24/7, which means your doing something strange.

Having a few miners and accumulating coin, learning is ok, but once you start a "Mining Farm", then you need 3-phase 440V service, a warehouse, and your talking a REAL-BIZ and insurance costs, and ... blah-blah thus IMPOSSIBLE to make money.

Even the big farms in iceland & europe went BK ( bankrupt ), we only see consistent mining in CHINA where the politically connected can get free excess electricity from the new giga-watt-dams they have built in the last 20 years. But even in China, the large users of electricity are well connected with GOV.

Keep it Small, Keep it Simple.


I agree over 0.20 KWH cost, your talking about 50% of your profit ( less hw ) going just to the ELEC Company, I think the smart thing for young ppl to think about is low-cost solar-farms, design simple low cost GPU farms, that can run off a battery and be charged during day, then elec would be free, and once you tune your rig to minimal power, then its life is greatly enhanced.

I don't worry about power-cost, but if I say lived in Arizona, or some place sunny all the time, I would seriously consider generating electricity. 300 watts per panel, probably six panels at $200, you could run a rig 24/7 just fine, using some good RV battery's at night to power a 600 Watt rig 24/7. Panels wouldn't matter they last forever and can be re-deployed, like the GPU cards.

Building your own charge-controller for battery panels, then you can do away with the CPU power supply, you wouldn't lose any loss, as you don't need 110v, so that save 200 watts right there as power-supplys are terribly inefficient, lower power cpu can control the miners with say linux on banna-pi ( cpu that costs $10 ), I think the chinese will have many gtx-1060-3 class cards out soon that will work low-power, say less than 50 watts each, also some of the new btc mother-boards can support 12+ gpus, ... again going SOLAR then the GOV has no idea your even alive, off the grid mining.

Right now the gtx-1060-3 cards I use are chinese clones of the NIVIDIA, work great. They're working on cloning the NVIDIA chip, so prices for GPU mining will drop dramatically in the future. Right now I'm spending more time on this with my ARM7 systems, looking into gpu mining as these systems run on about 10 watts rather than the 250 watt bullshit of a full BTC mobo with power-supply

Probably see chinese gpu-sticks (usb) very soon, that you can plug a rack of into your rasberry chinese clones

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Just sharing ideas with other miners, I do have the problem now if I expand my mining then I will bring all kinds of un-wanted attention from authority's. Thus solar mining is very strategic to be off the grid. Also solar-panels now are very cheap, and all the electricity management can be done with arduino class machines the little banana-pi cards that cost $10-$20 work best for me, they even have full 64 bit now for running full nodes

I have a test system now running MONERO, which I find very interesting works fine on arm7 class HW, and generates PRIVACY coins, with privacy off the grid HW,

Lastly all this stuff can be re-deployed, as if the power goes out you can always turn on the inverter and make yourself some electricity for the house.

I can see in the future that turn-key heating system that run solar, I know in Arizona its colder than shit up in North Arizona in the winter, but plenty of sun, and what better way to but to heat the house and make money doing it for free

There are even little boards that you can buy from china that make things COLD, perhaps excess power generation could be used to GEN baby AC if you have excess power?

Keep your cards below 70C, do this with --limittemp=70, that way all software quits

Have little 10cm fans in front of the cards, one per every two graphic cards, most rigs have a slot for fans

have a big fan 50 cm that blows cool air perpendicular below the cards to keep power-supply and cpu cool and bring cool air in below of GPU line-up.

Set the power 60%, say you have a gtx-1070, then the power is say 150W death, I run at 110Watts, and they run full clock at 59C, never come close to the temp-limit.

For 1060, run at 95 watt per "nvidia-settings -pl 95 -i x', where x is gpu number

Now to fan's "LEAVE THEM ALONE", default to AUTO, having the fans run at full just makes noise

The way you keep your gpus cool is with the little fans in front ( facing the connectors ), and the big fan on the end of rack blowing cool air below and over the top of  the cards.

LEAVE the fan alone, all you do is burn out the fan motor on your GPU card running at 100% and then you have a DEAD-CARD.

Little 12v fans with led lights costs $3 each, the 50cm big 110/220v fans cost $10, one per rig, and little fan 4 per rig, so cooling cost is $22 per rig.

It's important to keep the GPU cool for long-life, and to MINIMIZE the money you waste on POWER,

The little fan on the GPU card is designed for a solo card in a box, its NOT designed to be surrounded by 1/2 a dozen heaters.

This BOT OP is suspicious, but its a good question

First, BTC-clones have been mined by GPU's for few years already. BTG MARKETING is that this is something NEW, it is NOT NEW.

The question begs to ask "WHAT IS BITCOIN GOLD"? GPU mining of Bitcoin? Right

Problem for the OP-BOT is that this is NOT new there are dozens of BTC clones that are based on equihash (GPU algo) that have existed for years, BTG is not a new concept.

Lastly, of course BTG doesn't have shit to do with BTC, not the same block-chain, not anything is the same, the only thing connected of BTG with BTC is that BTG gave pre-fork BTC holders an 'air-drop', but that's the ONLY connection.

I say if you want to mine GPU BITCOIN clones, then mine BITCOIN-Z BTZ-C and right now you can earn 2,000/day with a basic 1060 rig.

CRITICAL POINT  here, and you don't want the GOV to know, just like pot growers, once your ELEC usage goes above say $200/month, you brint all kinds of authority's looking at you, especially when your running 24/7, which means your doing something strange.

Having a few miners and accumulating coin, learning is ok, but once you start a "Mining Farm", then you need 3-phase 440V service, a warehouse, and your talking a REAL-BIZ and insurance costs, and ... blah-blah thus IMPOSSIBLE to make money.

Even the big farms in iceland & europe went BK ( bankrupt ), we only see consistent mining in CHINA where the politically connected can get free excess electricity from the new giga-watt-dams they have built in the last 20 years. But even in China, the large users of electricity are well connected with GOV.

Keep it Small, Keep it Simple.

Another thing about GPU MINING is redeploy is easy, you can do anything, I had GPU's 5+ years ago for MACHINE-LEARNING CUDA, so I don't worry if I quit mining, then I'll use my rigs to do ML and do something MORE interesting than accumulate alt-coins.

I agree over 0.20 KWH cost, your talking about 50% of your profit ( less hw ) going just to the ELEC Company, I think the smart thing for young ppl to think about is low-cost solar-farms, design simple low cost GPU farms, that can run off a battery and be charged during day, then elec would be free, and once you tune your rig to minimal power, then its life is greatly enhanced.

I don't worry about power-cost, but if I say lived in Arizona, or some place sunny all the time, I would seriously consider generating electricity. 300 watts per panel, probably six panels at $200, you could run a rig 24/7 just fine, using some good RV battery's at night to power a 600 Watt rig 24/7. Panels wouldn't matter they last forever and can be re-deployed, like the GPU cards.

Building your own charge-controller for battery panels, then you can do away with the CPU power supply, you wouldn't lose any loss, as you don't need 110v, so that save 200 watts right there as power-supplys are terribly inefficient, lower power cpu can control the miners with say linux on banna-pi ( cpu that costs $10 ), I think the chinese will have many gtx-1060-3 class cards out soon that will work low-power, say less than 50 watts each, also some of the new btc mother-boards can support 12+ gpus, ... again going SOLAR then the GOV has no idea your even alive, off the grid mining.

Right now the gtx-1060-3 cards I use are chinese clones of the NIVIDIA, work great. They're working on cloning the NVIDIA chip, so prices for GPU mining will drop dramatically in the future. Right now I'm spending more time on this with my ARM7 systems, looking into gpu mining as these systems run on about 10 watts rather than the 250 watt bullshit of a full BTC mobo with power-supply

Probably see chinese gpu-sticks (usb) very soon, that you can plug a rack of into your rasberry chinese clones

Rigs are many things, I will list WHY

1.) Anonymous purchase, NOBODY knows you  have the coin when you mine, when you PURCHASE coin the tax-man KNOW you GOT it, and they expect you to declare it, ...

2.) I think of MINING as FREE-COIN, I never BUY the shit, just mine and get it FREE

3.) U learn a lot when you mine yourself, U learn how the shit really works, and you learn how to be YOUR OWN EXCHANGE, and never keep your coin ( private keys ) with another party.

#1 is the most important, U want to INVEST in ALT-COINS, but you don't want to put a SIGN on the DOOR of your house that SAYS 'I have gold & guns in this house', to have wealth that NOBODY knows, not your wife or DOG is key to keeping your money in a world of "Theft by Government's"

The OP is asking about ALT-COINS, BTC is not an ALT.

This thread is an alt-thread, so why are you mentioning BTC?

To answer the OP's question "MINING" is a HOBBY,

CPU mining is impossible, but it can be useful to learn, as GPU's are expensive,

GTX-1060-6 is $300, 1070 is $600 and 1080 is $1000, thus your talking a serious investment, say a rig of 6x 1060-3's (3gb) are $200, and -6gb are $300

U ain't going to get anything with ONE GPU card, nada, not even a handful of BTC-Z per day, which is the easiest, but they're only worth 0.0005 USD, less than 2.5 cents . U will spend 30 cent on electricity. Note with laptop mining an internal GPU to set --templimit to 72, you don't want to burn up your expensive laptop, as the default is 90C, which will melt you laptop and make it smoke in no time.

CPU mining is a waste of time even with 2 Satoshi coins like BTC-z, Ethereum is pretty much impossible these days, z-coins like zencash,zcash,zclassic,hush are most profitable and all use equihash ALGO.

GTX-1060-3 system for $1400? U rich guy??

 You can jump to a 1070 system which is $1800 for six cards and $200 for mobo+cpu+mem+hd, so $2000 will get you 3,000 sols/sec now your $15/day (USD) $450 month ( electricity 6*120watts=$80 month)  and you pay off your hardware in about six months

The preferrable and most profitable right now is zen-cash, but a single GPU will NOT even cover the cost of electricity assuming your paying 0.15 USD per kilo-watt-hour.

U need scale to mine, so say you have this rig of 6-1060-3's and your mining zen-cash, that's about 1800 sols/sec, or about $10/day zen today, so that be $300 month, but $50/month for electricity, so profit $250/month, but your HW cost you $1400, so it takes 5 months to break even before you see your profit.

Some full-nodes ( like bitcoin-z ) support automatic cpu mining, problem is you will NEVER see a block, so its best to LEARN to mine with a GPU using your laptop, say you have a basic laptop with a MX-940 GPU, then you can run ccminer, miner-ewbf, or any gpu equihash miner and get 50 sols/sec, which will net you about 10-20 bitcoin-z's per day on btcz.suprnova.cc ( good place to learn )

Problem is with your laptop GPU getting 50 sols/sec, is that say you mine zen-cash ( zen.suprnova.cc ) it will take months to get ONE zencash coin.

Mining is largely a very interesting hobby.

www.whattomine.com is your friend, you punch in theoritcal HW you may have and it will tell you what-to-mine, and how much money you will make.

In general don't expect to make money. Expect to have an interesting hobby.

Say you have ONE 1060-3 you buy  for $200, and put in a computer, expect to get 300 sols/sec, which will get you 50 BITCOIN z's per day, or about 25 cents per day, ... enjoy getting rich.

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IMHO gtx-1060-3 rigs have best bang-for-buck, but they'll set u back $1200/rig, and you earn $10/day after 6 months ( less electricity $1.5/day ), so say $8/day profit after six months. Then consider this is a full-time hobby, and consider where you keep this bitch, it generates heat, think of a 600 Watt hair-dry blower blowing hot air in the bathroom 24/7?

One thing nice about these rigs is they don't make any noise, unlike say BITMAIN which sounds like an aircraft jet engine running in your house.

The 'GANG that could NOT Code", will never deliver this software, NEVER

The test-net is not working, they have NOT tested the main-net

FOUR deadlines have already CAME&GONE

The latest deadline is only the 4th, but it will NOT be the last.

I really don't know why we waste our time on this coin? First I thought it was a good marketing scam, a good idea, then when I looked at the code and studied the github.com/btcgpu responses to criticism I realized that the dev's were IDIOTS. Then it became sort of interesting to follow the klusterfuck know as "BTG"

Lot's of PPL on this forum are just day-traders, and so long as the PRICE goes up, they could care a rat's ass about anything,

Then there are us 'techies' that care about the code, quality, ... the idea

So many bots on this forum and so much bullshit,

Note that most people are NOT even following BTG, what is there now +2,000 alt-coins??

How many alt's are  already out there that do everything that BTG promises? Equihash+BTC has existed for years and its in production,

With the CANCELLATION of segwit2 in past 24 hours, the DEMISE of the FORK is clear, all that keeps BITCOIN-CASH alive is that BITMAIN forces people to BUY them to buy their HW,

The fork is DEAD, but air-drops will continue and idiots love 'free shit coins'.

What of BTG? It will eventually just be forgotten, but the BAD is that it has given BTC-GPU mining a bad name, now whenever the media see's a new BTC-GPU idea, they'll remind the audience of BTG, and associate all failure with GPU mining of BTC, sadly this project failed because JACK-LIAO hired MORONS to deliver the product.

BTG didn't fail because it was a BAD IDEA, it failed because they never intended to deliver a working product, this was always a SCAM.

Satoshi is Japanese, a Buddhist.

The Chinese are the pigs of Asia

BitCOIN-GOLD is a CHINA-ASIC coin, a pig-coin, a FEN-COIN, 'FEN' in Chinese means SHIT,  pronounced "fun".

The price of BTG on yobit.net has nothing to do with the fact  that the block-chain doesn't exist, nor working software.

The price of BTG is proof that the world is full of idiots and that Russians (Yobit.net) and Bulgarians (github.com/btcgpu) can always separate a fool from his money.

Satoshi wanted BTC limited to 21 million coins, total no more forever. Satoshi imagined that the fork's would never be adopted by more than 51%, and they have not

In the future BTC will go North of $10k and BTG will go south of $1.

The Chinese OWN BTC for now, that's why the Z-Coins exist, so that equihash can take back mining and de-centralize, put the CHINA ASIC miners out of biz

The fact that CHINA-ASIC created BTG and put MORONS in charge, proves that the GOAL all along was to give GPU mining of BITCOIN a bad name.

We have it now, its called BITCOIN-Z.

BITCOIN-GOLD++ is here today http://whattomine.com/coins/207-btcz-equihash

Mining for free coin is the only way to fly.

Putting real hard cash into any of the shit is insane.

Early people got their BTC's for free, pick the next BTC and mine it for free.

Buy some GPUS setup a rig and mine, god forbid don't use nicehash, or any 'rental pool' mining operation and pay them in bitcoin.

These days NOOBS can run miners, hell they got stuff on windoz now so granny can mine BITCOIN-Z

The best to MINE? I would say the Z's are best

ETH has been copied, and BTC is impossible to mine and risky to invest

Zencash, Hush, Zcash, Bitcoin-Z, all these little Z coins are the next cuz they got privacy, and they have stole  all the features in ETH/LTC-etc

Buying penny ICO's coins is just as stupid as buying penny stocks,

If your young buy rental houses in Detroit, anywhere there cheap and get rich the way 99% of millionaires in the last 5,000 years got rich.

The people who get rich now, are the people who make ICO's, if you can code, then create your own BITCOIN-GOLD and list it on yobit.net and pre-mine yourself a million coins, and make sure you spend 99% of your alt-coin investment money on 'marketing'.

But as a little guy end-user you can only get fucked by penny ico coins

It's always been this way, even stock market high-tech IPO's, its the guy who issues the IPO or ICO that gets rich,


Miner's don't get rich, FYI myself I just want to OWN coin, so I mine the code coins so  don't have to buy them, no different buying real gold or silver for the future, its an investment.

Besides if you MINE, you will learn how this stuff really works, and KNOW to NEVER keep your coin NEAR AN EXCHANGE

Dependency's

1.) Gold.Pool the only working mining pool, part of TEAM-BULGARIA/YOBIT.NET
2.) GitHub.Com/BTCGPU home of the BTG source code maintained by the infamous "Gang that Couldn't Code"

[ There's also a non-working block-explorer if you wish to waste additional time finding non-existent testnet blocks ]

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Where are people getting their BTG addresses that I see on the pools?


There are only two ways to GEN your own 'G' adddress for BTG.

1.) Fall back to an old rev on github.com/btcgpu, about two weeks ago they put some code in src/bitcoind.cpp that does an abort if your not running '-testnet'

2.) 2nd way is to use the current code as it is on github.com, clone&pull the code, and go into the source and comment out the two lines that call for the exit().

Once  U have 1or2 above done, then run the daemon without the -tesnet, then go use 'bgold-cli getnewaddress' and you will get a 'G' Address, make sure to DUMP the priv-key and print  all, cuz god only knows what these idiots will do in the future, these people don't know C++, they haven't a clue what they're doing, this is going to become the worst ICO/BITCOIN/FORK-FUCK in history of BTC.

The default way 'THEY' want U to do it is run daemon with -testnet, which will generate a 'mn....' address, that is fine, but the pool.gold only 'pays out to G', get it?? Only insiders who have G get paid, U got to love these people.

Once the bitch goes live the idiots will be mining to these non 'G' addresses an of course all the share/blocks found will go to the pool ( insiders ).

No real point of running the code and feeding it seed's the code is hopelessly fucked up,

Chinese ASIC guy ( reported Triad leader of Asian arm of BTG-INC ), had a blind one handed 'programmer' ( former hw guy ) name 'hx2bot', then they brought in the BULGARIAN team, ran by PROF-Starbuck ( has real PHD )

All these guys take good advice on github.com, and delete it, so U just know they're like the ostriche, if U want to know real about BTG, read the github/btcgpu [ https://github.com/BTCGPU/BTCGPU/issues ], don't read the 'issues' read the 'closed' that's the GOOD STUFF

Here's the good news, for past two weeks IDIOTS are mining to the pool.gold ( all owned by same BULGARIAN MOB ), 1000K  sols/sec per day of hash, at current ZEN-CASH, that be $1,000 USD/day of real pool hash redirected to however they want to make money. The only pool that works is pool.gold, but "WORKS" means redirecting hash, all the other pools aren't running cuz there is no software that works! Well except for the code pool.gold runs,  Lot's of scammers involved in this bitch, dozens if not 100's.


Stealing BTC seems to be the common, wrap your head around that!


100's of Scam sites revolve around BTG where they're faux wallets that you can turn your BTC's into BTG's, heard of turning shit into gold? Now we have turning gold into shit

How many months and/or  years will people commit their hash-rates to a pool that doesn't mine? A pool that has ZERO ROI? Because the pool targets a non-existent TESTNET?

Using newest ccminer that has equihash, compiled optimized, cuda 9.0, I'm getting ...

Solo gtx-1070 I run at +1600, above that it crashes

All cards about +150 over clock

When I mention 1600 I'm talking transfer

Gtx-1070 in mining rig usually +1200, but I run the -pl ( power watts ) at below 120, I like 110

Gtx-1060-6gb likes +1000 on memory-transfer
Gtx-1060-3gb seems to not like over +500 on memory transfer

[ 1070's in rigs I find prefer not over +1000; When running EWBF I find it crashes to often if I run at +1600; I don't find any crash problems in the new ccminer, solid as a rock and I love having the software so I can fuck around with the .CU files and optimize my code ]

On all cases I get

500 sols/sec on 1070

300 sols/sec on 1060's ( -3 or -6 gb almost the same, maybe -6 5% better, but most likely because I run -3 at 85 watts and -6 at 95 watts )

3 sols/watt 1060
4 sols/watt 1070

I keep my rigs (cards) below 80c , my 1070s run now at about 60c, and my 1060's run at 68c auto-fan, but I also have rig fans in front ( std 120mm fans blowing in ), and I have large 80cm cross fans running through racks to move hot air

More important is COST

My cost for 1060-3 is $200 USD, 1060-6 is $300, and cost of 1070 is $600, thus the best bang for BUCK is the 1060-3 same efficiency as the -6, but -30% the price, the 1070 in comparsion sucks

The 1080 costs $1k USD where I live. I usually buy my 1060's from GALAX, which is straight from china. Good discount on 1060-3 nobody wants them, thanks to ethereum

For equihash we only need 650mb of memory so the 1060-3 is just fine, no problem like found on ETHEREUM which is NO longer profitable to mine.

IMHO best be now for equi is rigs of $200 cards that be six, so cost is $1200, cpu biostar is $50, and rig is $30, cpu/mem is about $50; six 1060-3 does about 1800 sols/sec, right now generates about $15/day in zencash.

My power bill is $60 per rig, per month so 4days a month the rig pays the power, then all else is mine,

I don't mind buying GPUS as I have been doing MACHINE-LEARNING & CUDA forever, thus I can always redeploy my stuff to research anytime I wish.

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Talking about the 'watt' issue above, well six cards at 80watts that's 480 watts and power-supply mother board is 120 watts so I target 600 watts per rig and keep them cool. Much less than $60/month electricity cost.

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more important here I not see addressed is how are you controlling card? I'm on linux, I hate windows

linux-cuda requires control from nvidia-settings & nvidia-smi

most problems I is people are running windows & just use the MSI gui and set all to max,

My rigs make NO noise, I can't even hear the fans

I think its best to BUY all the cards on the market dial them all in with the different mining algos and know what to deploy for what problem at hand,

I would have never bought 1060-3's if I hadn't taken this approach, but now that I actually know its limitations and power, I find its the best for equihash for cost/performance

When you talk about +650 over clock on 1070, I don't think it really matter's 1060-6 or 1070's once you go over +500 the  gain is negligible, its best to dial back the power to minimal, and learn how high you can clock before the miner software crashes

Like I have said I find +1600 to be the magic number that crashes all NIVIDIA software, for many app's I can run +1550 just fine all day,

But if I run EWBF I will get hourly crashes, if I want crash free I have to go down to +1000

With the new ccminer, I have not studied it limits, but I can tell you this at +650 your running its at less than 1/2 its potential ( my gut feeling so far is that I can run ccminer at +1400 just fine )

All the above said if your running at 150 watts, and +1600 over-clock you will fry you card,  I think big mistake I see in these forums is people on windows told to set fans to MAX, and Power, ... and all over-clock ally you are doing is burning up your graphics cards.

Suprnova.cc has about 90% of the BTC-z right now,

Suprnova.cc is proof that HONESTY pay's off,

most of the pools are chinese/russian scammers, hell in china they even sell poison as baby-milk, there is no concept of honesty, its for dumb people, the only way to get rich in CHINA is to scam, impossible for an honest guy, that's why they have al the building's without rebar in the concrete, cuz builders make money by not using steel

Most of the chinese pools and scam cons like BTG (bitcoin gold) they have no TECH people, they have no added value, so all they can do like "NICEHASH" is scam people on fee's and steal their coins.

SUprnova.cc is PROOF that if your honest, have a good software product, give the user full control, that you can build a very succesful business.

Most the scammers don't last long, thanks to forums like this where people can tell the TRUTH