Declaring bankruptcy before he can get sued. Niiiiiiice
Yeah, I'm starting to think he is just taking the money and running. Zhou, JRO, Bitscalper style...  Yes, just seems like more stalling. Did you ever get a real contract from pirate or was it only a online agreement? |
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Was the company the Lending Partners in Plano Texas?
Thought, it is probably not a good idea to let anyone else know what is going on with the bitcoin loans. Better to just tell the person that Mr. Shavers listed this company as a reference or previous work employment. A detective would not give away what they are trying to detect.
All marriages in the state of Texas is also listed publically. Pirate also listed that he had a hot check warrent from Midland, Texas. The same person and his family went from Midland to McKinney Texas and own property in Collins County, Texas.
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Maybe this will teach people not to lend or borrow money anymore. It does not matter if it was a ponzi or not, there is a lot of risk in lending and borrowing.
That's exactly what brings an economy to a screeching halt. That is what THEY want you to think an economy needs. There is no problem investing money into projects rather than loaning money out. Also, borrowing money to build businesses or to finance a lifestyle is adding more risk than is necessary. Most businesses fail because they borrow too much money, don't have a decent income stream, and then can't make the interest payments. Start small, build your income up and that company would be in a better financial situation than a competitor that is swimming in debt. People, governments, and societies can't borrow their way to prosperity. |
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Maybe this will teach people not to lend or borrow money anymore. It does not matter if it was a ponzi or not, there is a lot of risk in lending and borrowing.
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I set one up a few days ago. It took a few days. I expected it to be instant and I contacted support asking when it would be done. When I replied to their question of what was my account name I instantly got the funds in my Dwolla account. Coincident? I don't believe in them.
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I am pleased to announce that pirate will be available for questioning in person if you happen to be in the area on 10th September. Date: Monday 10 September 2012 Time: 3 P.M. Place: Vaudeville Bistro, lower level (230 East Main Street, Fredericksburg, TX 78624 830-992-3234) For any queries about the meet please contact him directly at (972) 281-9376 Now, I'm no genius...but..... Did Pirate honestly drive from Fredericksburg to a 7-11 in Plano to sell a single Video card ? .....on short notice ? OR.... Could the trip from McKinney to Plano be much more feasible ? Plano and McKinney are in the same county in Texas. |
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Pirate is probably competent enough of a scammer to confuse y'all with fake domain name registration names to distract you. Just sayin'.
He can't hide everyone. In the last day or 2, he has tried.....but that ship sailed months ago. 100% of the info that has been removed from the 'Net is already in the possession of those that can use it best....and has been for over half a year. He slipped up with his name and registering it with the Texas Secretary of State when he registered GPUMAX. "In this country someone's names got to be on a piece of paper." |
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I have ignored most of the idiots and trolls on the forum. It is a great place now.
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The choice is either:
a) I pay 0.32 for all outstanding bonds given there have been no payments from BS&T for over a week, or,
b) Everyone waits to see if the funds become available and I pay 1.28.
Choice: c) pay 0.32 dividend to each bond holder. If and when BS&T returns the loaned money do a buyback to bondholders for 0.96 per bond. |
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I think you (and lots of other people) need to reevaluate how to get a design project done.
A contract is not for trust as a person that signs a contract might not do the work or not anyway. A contract is done to prevent any misunderstandings.
For example it would best work like this:
1. Client makes a request for work detailing what they want.
2. Artists give the client bids, shows the client his or her portfolio, and sets the time of completion.
3. The client reviews the portfolios of the bidders and selects an artist to do the job.
4. The client and artist sign a contract detailing the total payment for the work, what is considered acceptable completion, what would happen if the client or artist decides to not complete the work, any copyright issues, and who to mediate in case of a disagreement.
5. The client sends the cost agreed into escrow.
6. The artist sends a percentage of the final cost to escrow, to show the client they are serious in completing the work. If it is not completed then they lose the amount they put up.
7. The artist does the work, shows the client the prototypes for revisions.
8. Once the work is done and there is not disagreements between the artist and the client then the work is sent to the client and the escrow agent releases the funds to the artist.
This is how I usually work. When I did logo and banner work for usagi I cut some slack because I am interested in seeing CPA succeed because I think it is a good idea and wanted to get logos and banners for CPA completed quickly. I also did not mind you having other people work on the job, although, clients can't expect design work to be like going to a store. If someone see something at a store and you don't like it then don't have to buy it, but in design if someone asks/accepts a designer to start designing things and the client don't like it, then the client still has to buy it. With a contract it will express how much to pay if the client does not like the work and wants to quit working. If the designer also puts some money down then that should prove to the client that this person is serious.
I have to say though, I think usagi is a fair person. Maybe the work with this other person happened because of a lack of communication. I know when I acted as a middleman for a designer and usagi that usagi was a little slow in replying. But I attributed this to usagi being very busy as all of the replies happened around 3 AM. Also, I quoted a price for usagi thinking we would negotiate a price. Usagi accepted the price I set out and even though he thought the price was high he paid the payment we agreed on.
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I. IntroductionOver the past few months, I've observed a general trend on this forum that I think is rather disturbing. We have always disagreed and debated on a vast variety of subjects, but more and more often of late those debates seem to turn into or in some cases start as nothing but 'flame wars', to use the colloquial term. This forum, once a reasonable facsimile of a haven for intellectual and civil discussion, has mutated into a wasteland of mud-slinging, baseless accusations, fear-mongering, utterly nonsensical FUD, mob mentalities, and worst of all, xenophobia. This is most pronounced in the Marketplace and associated sub-forums, but seems to be permeating throughout the extent of these boards. II. Why The Marketplace MattersSome of you probably avoid the Marketplace altogether, and wonder if it really matters. Regardless of where you prefer to spend your time, the fact remains that Bitcoin is a currency. Trade is necessary for both a healthy economy and, perhaps more importantly, recruitment of new users. III. Mud-slingingWe all disagree with each other. If we didn't, we'd have nothing to talk about. But disagreement does not have to translate into insults. Ad hominem reasoning not only fails to provide any result of worth for either involved party; it poisons the general topic of discussion and makes the thread useless for any future or current readers. One simple insult can create multiple threads of incoherent flaming. IV. Baseless AccusationsThese threads tend to sound like tabloid articles. Inciting headlines, extravagant claims, and no logical evidence whatsoever to back them up. If you have a serious accusation and want results, please make a factual claim and back it up ( Example). Factual and civil trade disagreement threads have a much higher rate of resolution. Remember, whether the counterparty is a scammer or not, they are a human being, and a successful dispute resolution is much more likely if you treat them like one. V. Fear-mongeringThis sometimes goes hand-in-hand with the above, but sometimes not insomuch an accusation as chaos-inciting content, often simply links to other threads with an eye-catching title attached. First of all, we do not need multiple different threads to discuss the same thing. Second, if you're going to make extravagant claims, at least take the time to make them yourself. VI. Utterly Nonsensical FUDAlso known as spam. I receive quite enough of this in my email inbox. If you don't have anything useful or intelligent to post, don't post. It's as simple as that. VII. Mob MentalitiesAlso known as the 'exponential thread growth problem'. Don't take what other people say at face value, and don't simply repeat other's sentiments. All of you have something unique to contribute to discussions. Contribute it! VIII. XenophobiaThis one concerns me the most, as I think it could have far-reaching implications. Most people who read about Bitcoin and come here have read almost ubiquitously negative press discussing drugs, Ponzi schemes, and ever-imminent collapse. They decided to take a chance and investigate for themselves. What do they find? A community which refuses to do business with anyone relatively new. A community filled with animosity. Half the forums polluted with allegations of Ponzi schemes. In other words, they find exactly what the media told them to expect. Their conclusion? The media is right. Do we really want to embody what the media portrays us as? IX. Addendum: BS&TFirst of all, I will admit that I am most certainly not an unbiased observer. I did my research and invested into BS&T. I have no factual conclusion as to whether it is a Ponzi or not, nor do I think I have enough expertise to surmise a claim. But, regardless of whether BS&T is a ponzi, an innocent company investing in third-world medical care, or an elaborate hoax conceived by Bernie Madoff's hitherto unknown twin, endlessly fretting and arguing about it will accomplish nothing whatsoever. Those of you with convinced BS&T is a Ponzi scheme, I'm glad you're being cautious with investment. Please refrain from starting hundreds of separate threads stating nothing new whatsoever. Perhaps it is a scam, perhaps not. I know some of you have far superior wisdom which you are ever eager to share, but us mere mortals are still capable of intelligent analysis and decision-making. If BS&T truly is a Ponzi, somehow I suspect we will notice. X. ConclusionI'm just some nameless forum member writing another rant, albeit perhaps not on one of the usual subjects. All I ask is that you read and think upon it. Perhaps this won't make any difference. But it certainly wouldn't have if I didn't write it. Best regards, BinaryMage 1. I will be suspicious of any new member that comes out with a product or server for profit before they do something else for the community for free. Especially if that person will not reveal their real identity. 2. People will not be civil, polite, and stop flaming or spreading spam until there is consequences for these actions. |
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What;s weird to me is why tell everyone you are closing before you are actually ready to do so....
...why tell everyone you're closing? Why not let us figure it out? To create uncertainty. uncertainty leads to fear fear leads to bad decisions bad decisions leads to losing money Fear is the path to profit.  |
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I did find another fully verified security: puremining. Theyve been paying out dividends since April. I'm definitely going to do some homework on them.
Once ASIC come about puremining would probably worthless. It is a deterministic bond set at 2 MH/share and does not have an upgrade path. |
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The whole pirate debacle has been incredibly divisive. People on both sides have doubled down and then doubled down again on their opinions. When this train smash eventually plays out fully, there will be a lot of people with a lot of egg on their faces. I'm guessing if you were a pirate "investor" and he defaults, you would get tired pretty quickly of team ponzi asking you what you will buy with all your coin "once pirate pays out". Similarly, if pirate does pay out (yeah right (see what I mean about doubling down? (damnit  ))), Team Ponzi might get tired pretty quickly of being sent the odd satoshi along with condescending encouragement to "invest it wisely". Perhaps we need to provide an alternate forum where those who are proved wrong can go to keep talking bitcoin without being continually reminded of "the events". I suspect wheresmycoins.org and icallponzi.org are both still available? jk  The other side can go use reddit. |
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So I receive some email notifications on threads that I have enabled email notification when a new reply has been made, but not all of them. Anyone else have this problem?
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What was the results of the motion? |
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Hello again all! I run BLUECHIP, a GLBSE mutual fund that only invests in fully verified high quality securities. I introduced it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102632.0 I have only been able to identify three fully verified securities on GLBSE (BLUECHIP is a fourth): Gigamining, Cognitive, and Synergy. Does anyone know of any more? I would love to research and vet more, and invest in them if they seem legitimate. Thanks! BLUECHIP Not everyone uses social networking sites like facebook or linkedin. These sites are not secure and don't store private information very well. You should focus on the contract, the history of the asset holder fulfilling the contractual obligations, and on the important verification steps, like ID, address, and phone verification. |
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This kind of huge scams will certainly affect the bitcoin economy and credibility. And why are we browsing these forums? Only to speculate? That's why I think the moderators should ban anything that resembles to a ponzi scheme, to protect both users and bitcoin.
While I think people will always fall for these too-good-to-be-true and get-rich-quick-schemes, wise investors will require personal information from people they are loaning money to. They will know exactly what they are doing with that money and when they will get it back. Anything short of that is a bad investor. Invest in what you know, and if you don't know what your investment is doing then you are not investing, you are gambling. |
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if one was smart you would go to a person in power... i dunno... a district attorney or someone below him and explain
what happened if they have time. explain to them they would be all over the tech news if they could assist in the case
of the stolen bitcoins. get 15 minutes of fame in certain areas of the news.
they might bite if they were smart enough to get it. but that takes a bit of work to find that special someone who
can pull strings like that and desire publicity like that.
It is called the SEC, but then they would probably send the IRS after you to explain where the funds came from in the first place. |
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