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561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: February 24, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
As long as you don't duplicate nonce ranges, you can plot on as many machines as you want to.
BURST mining on the CPU uses very little CPU power most of the time, it works fine on my 5 card rigs with no noticeable impact on the GPUs doing their mining.

Returns though are very low, and the pools issue has been a major pain for a few months now - seems like someone(s) have it in for BURST and have been DDoSing the pools right left up down and sideways.

562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 1080 Ti mining OC and power? on: February 24, 2018, 06:32:38 PM
Did some testing last night on my 1070 ti cards - and NO hashrate change under LINUX when I moved them from +700 core to +900, +1100, +1200 (didn't bother testing past that point).

It does appear that LINUX works with "effective" clockrates though not with the base clockrate like Afterburner does, based on some testing I did on 1070 cards (none of which would run stable at +550 or higher under Windows, but were ALL comfortable at +900 under LINUX with noticeable ETH hashrate gains).

563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: B250 Mining Expert Motherboard - 13 AMD GPU Maximum on: February 24, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
But from what I have contemplating about getting one of these boards and maxxing it out with the 19 gpu after this firmaware upgrade,
Wouldn't overload the board at some point with it and all it's components running 24/7?
 Embarrassed

No, it depends on many things, eth mining uses no cpu power whatsoever, equihash on the other side does and it requires a little more powerful cpu other than a celeron.

Does anybody know if this motherboard already supports 19 amd cards?

ETH does use CPU - just not very much of it unless you're doing DAG file creation on the CPU like older Genoil versions, and even then it doesn't use a lot for long.

Equihash seems to depend on the miner version - but generally doesn't use much CPU either.

No, the board does NOT support the use of more than 13 "non-minining-specific" cards of one brand even under LINUX - ASUS did something weird in the bios to limit it for no apparent reason I can see.


564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What minimum fan speed do you set your GPU rigs to? on: February 23, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
All of my 4+ year old cards are AMD, the oldest NVidia cards I have are "only" about 2 years old and spent a lot of their lifetime Folding (which tends to be HARDER on a cards than most cryptocoin algorithms are).

565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 23, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
I mount one NMB fan to each heatsink, 2 per card.
I MIGHT be able to get away with one fan per card, but the spacing between the heatsinks would make that problematic as a lot of the airflow wouldn't go through the heatsinks at all that way.
I COULD mount one fan to the heatsink at the "end" of the card near the power connector and get acceptable cooling for the GPU itself, but I worry about the stuff UNDER the heatsinks getting enough airflow if I try to do that.

I have a ton of fans sitting around though, bought a batch of something like 20 of them at a hamfest decades ago for $1 or $2 each, so using 2 per card isn't an issue for now.
I also have quite a few other "leftover" fans from CPU heatsinks out of "retired" Athlon-era and older machines if I run out of the NMB fans.


566  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: February 23, 2018, 10:00:19 PM

I am old enough to have used DOS.  I like the command line version of ATIFlash.  If you are taking care of one rig at a time, it's not a huge deal.  300 cards?  Yes that would kinda suck.

 You young pups - I first learned to program on a PDP-11/70 - about the same time CP/M first showed up.

 "Copy Is Backwards!"


If CP/M tried to show up 10 years later, DEC could have sued for "look and feel" violation as CP/M's user interface was pretty much the RT-11 user interface (and very similar to the RSTS/E interface).


The oldest machine I ever actually worked with was a Bendix G-15 - but to be fair it was old when I encountered it, almost as old as I was.
DRUM for main memory, and average access time measured in a lot of milliseconds.

567  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: February 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
@Romi and @Tadeus
It's a Sapphire rx470 reference, with blower. So, no dual bios, and no way to see inside without removing the blower Sad

After looking at mine, they DO have dual BIOS - though the switch is not real obvious and tiny.





I wish it would be the same for me, but I triple checked and found nothing.
Maybe different batch from yours ?
Would you be kind enough to take a picture ?

It appears I have 2 from different batches, one has the BIOS switch one does not.
Weird stuff, I bought them in the same order from Newegg.
568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What minimum fan speed do you set your GPU rigs to? on: February 21, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
wow 60-70°C for a GPU, seems very hot. Has anyone ran such temperature for more than a year? I keep my GPUs around 50°C (or even lower in some cases) with a fan set to 50%.

I've had many GPUs survive 4+ years of high-load usage running in the 70-75C range.
Targeting 50C is WAY excessive, and the only cases of 50C GPU temps with 50% or less fan I've ever had were on gear in an A/C room on risers, or the "outside" card in a "no case" rig with all cards on the MB, or a rig with ONE card in it - and the card was set to run at "efficient" settings.

Water cooled/hybrid is another story, water cooling the GPU is a lot better at keeping the temp down - at a significant cost for the higher-end cooling solution.




569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GPUs miners beware! on: February 21, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
Most HBM usage DOES have the RAM on it's own die.
Reference the AMD "Fury" line, and their current "Vega" line.
I'm pretty sure that's also the case for the Titan V and the Tesla "volta generation" on the Nvidia side.

It's still a bus, it's just a very WIDE bus (4096 bit IIRC?).


Sorry, I ment to say HBM is located on the same silicon. The physical connection between HBM and DDR is quite different so it's not meaningful to compare them. It's like comparing a conveyor belt to a truck - both transport goods from one place to another but that's where the similarities end. Designing a wide bus is not difficult if the physical connection distance is short; Playstation 2's GPU had a 2560 bit bus to its' 4 MB EDRAM memory over 15 years ago. On the other hand with DDR the physical connection is distance is much longer so none of the big silicon giants, Intel, AMD or Nvidia have gone for a very wide DDR bus in their consumer products.

To date, HBM used in video cards is NOT on the same silicon, much less in the same package, as the GPU, though that might change when the Bristol Ridge APUs get released.
It does tend to be clustered a lot closer TO the GPU though, than ram on a motherboard.


570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 21, 2018, 09:01:18 PM
The Gigabyte "Windforce" cooler fans are the ones I am concerned about. We have a dozen or so GPUs that use that cooler (2 fan and 3 fan models) and one of them has a fan going bad after less then 8 months. It looks like it should be possible to replace the fans without removing the cooler but I haven't tried it yet (I know it varies from model to model if it's possible to replace them sans removing the cooler). Even if the replacement fans are the same junk and die again after 6-12 months it beats an RMA that might be a couple of months or possibly never replaced due to current GPU shortages.

*We have nearly all of our GPUs set at a manual 50-70% fan speed with just a couple of "problem GPUs" running at 80% fan speed in the summer months.

 It's a pain but it's possible to replace the Gigabyte fans without removing the shroud.
 Getting to the power connector for the individual fan is the BIG issue, and getting it routed correctly for "no wires in the way" after swapping the fan are the biggest pains - the screws for the fan aren't a big deal.

571  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: February 21, 2018, 08:55:57 PM
@Romi and @Tadeus
It's a Sapphire rx470 reference, with blower. So, no dual bios, and no way to see inside without removing the blower Sad

After looking at mine, they DO have dual BIOS - though the switch is not real obvious and tiny.



572  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What minimum fan speed do you set your GPU rigs to? on: February 20, 2018, 08:54:33 PM
Very wide variation depending on Ball Bearing or not, and on the specific card.

I've had a couple Sapphire cards with very small fans that need 80% to say reasonably cool run at 70-80% for 4+ years without issues.
I've had Gigabyte 3-fan Windforce models die in a year or less with 60% fan.


I generally aim for cards to stay in the 65C range on my AIR CONDITIONED workbench, so that when they go in the "production" room that runs a lot warmer in the summertime they'll stay in the 75C or less range - and the fan speed ends up wherever it needs to be.

Riser rigs help a LOT on that, much better airflow and less heat hangs around so you can set your fans 20% lower in many cases while seeing LOWER temps.

573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Waiting forever on Amazon stock of 1070ti. Awful! on: February 20, 2018, 08:45:10 PM
Anyone have an opinion on 1070ti vs 1080?  I am waiting on the 1070ti prices to come back down because I have read they consume less power than the 1080, and for the increase in hashrate you would get with the 1080, the power consumption makes it a wash.

1070 ti and 1080 at their most efficient point (around 104 watts) tend to have better hashrate out of the 1070 ti *BUT* I do have a couple cases where the hashrate is the SAME (Zotac Mini, EVGA SC).

1080 tends to want less +core and usually doesn't handle as much +ram before it goes unstable.


 Down side, at NORMAL pricing the 1080 was around 10% more expensive for "same model" cards.


574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Waiting forever on Amazon stock of 1070ti. Awful! on: February 20, 2018, 08:43:03 PM
Amazon has been running a "cloud" service for many years - and no, it's NOT profitable to use it to mine with even if you don't get caught doing so (it's a violation of TOS to mine on their servers due to the "excessive load" mining puts on them).

575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GPUs miners beware! on: February 20, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
Most HBM usage DOES have the RAM on it's own die.
Reference the AMD "Fury" line, and their current "Vega" line.
I'm pretty sure that's also the case for the Titan V and the Tesla "volta generation" on the Nvidia side.

It's still a bus, it's just a very WIDE bus (4096 bit IIRC?).
576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 20, 2018, 08:39:32 PM

As far as recommended fan speeds;  if you can keep your card's fans to under 70% fan speeds;  the fans should last for well over 2-3 years of solid operation.   I ran my GTX980 at less than 70% for 2 years.   Then when I crammed it in a box with limited cooling and more GPU's, it stayed up at ~78*c and the fan went from being at ~75% on average to 100%.... and ~2-3 months later they were starting to fail/lock up.

*ROFLMAO*

The Gigabyte 3-fan Windforce models I have recently replaced fans on were more like *1* year old and spent that time in the 60-70% range.

Like I said, JUNK fans.

577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 20, 2018, 08:37:17 PM
Good discussion here on brands and fans, bearings, and orientation of cards.

My question... is water cooling more energy efficient or helpful to make a card overclock and work better or gain more hashrate? Or is a working air cooling system just as good as a GPU water cooling system? I have never tried water cooling and am just thinking about the summer time and proper planning.

Most water cooling setups keep the GPU noticeably cooler than air cooling manages - at a cost as the systems are expensive compared to air cooling.
They probably use a bit more power though, as they tend to use a higher-end fan on the radiator AND the pump uses some power.
Might be close or a bit less power though, as the fans they use TEND to be more efficient than the very thin fans air-cooled cards have to use.

578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 20, 2018, 08:34:57 PM
Just to chime in I have a zotac 1070 mini with a failing fan fortunately it’s a 2 fan model and still runs cool but worries me about the other 6 I have

https://twitter.com/voskcoin/status/964252560981921793

Said rig / card / fan

Ive noticed; when one fan begins to go out;  the second isn't far behind it.....

I dont know why;  but its always the case.

Maybe it has something to do with the failing bearing adding vibrations to the other and making it follow suit.

Near identical environmental conditions and speed history.
In theory, they SHOULD fail at the same time, but there is a HAIR of difference between 2 fans on the same card + manufacturing variations cause a little difference.



579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 19, 2018, 11:42:06 PM
When you guys replace failed fans, do you plug the new fans into the power supply or are you using the board GPU to power the fans?

The ones I use COULD plug into the GPU power (they use LESS total power than the original fans), but I find that setting them up on a MOLEX to run from 5 volts gives plenty of airflow AND very low power usage.
They're not PWM so there's no real point of trying to set them up on the GPU power connection.

580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU fans started failing, had to improvise a little on: February 19, 2018, 11:40:21 PM
When did Sapphire get good?  They were junk a few years ago.  I take it they are ball bearing now?

Just only buy ball bearing fan cards.  And try to run decent temps so they aren't spinning super fast.

They were ball bearing during the LITECOIN GPU mining craze, so years ago.
I don't remember a time they were junk, but I did spend several years ignoring discrete GPUs 'cause the on-MB video chipsets were "good enough" for anything I was doing for a long time, then the A10 iGPU took over.

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