Also - consider an NGO that wants to be as "open" as humanly possible:

with CIYAM Open they can:

1) create their top level donation address as their Project

2) create Project Areas for say "Charity Drives", "Marketing", "Accounting" and "Development" (each with a donation address)

3) create specific Project Tasks tasks for every single Charity Drive, Marketing task, accounting task, etc. all of which can be individually donated to

By using the mechanism that CIYAM Open itself uses (raw tx's) or by simply creating separate wallets for the Project and each of its Project Area addresses the Project Manager can move the BTC from the *top* to the *bottom* giving you a 100% publicly audit-able organisation (verifiable via the block chain).

As a case in point CIYAM Open itself is 100% publicly audit-able (and always will be) and any "fees" that I may charge for listing other Projects down the track will actually be in the form of "donations" made to the CIYAM Open project itself or other projects that I see fit to promote (so that *zero* profit will ever go directly to myself and that can be verified by anyone with access to the block chain and the list of relevant addresses which are kept on CIYAM Open even after tasks are "completed").

Okay - first major differences are:

1) CIYAM Open funds are not "returnable donations" (although an escrow address per task will be being added for those wanting that)

2) Stemming from the above a task that fails to be completed on time does not *end* but can continue with a *new delivery date* (with another bid now being chosen for acceptance)

3) Developers get (and can lose) *skill points* per task allowing them to build a rep for the things they are good at (making it more likely that their bids will be accepted vs those with no or low points)

4) You can donate to either the whole project, a project area (which can be nested) or to an individual task within the project.

I think this makes the CIYAM Open concept more of a "long-term development model" than a "kickstarting model" (especially when you look at the "sklls" side).

Hope that helps make it a bit clearer.

My wife and I will be in Shenzhen on Feb. 13th - if you are interested to meet up there then let us know (will be there for at least a week or two as well as paying a visit to HK).

Thanks Ente and yes unfortunately I am 100% "no salesman" (too interested in the tech and software).

Let me try and describe "in a nutshell" what CIYAM Open is:

"It's a way of organising, funding and paying for contributions of tasks for projects (be they open source software projects or even say NGO's) that is 100% open and audit-able by the general public".

(yes still too many words - any Marketing gurus want to trim that down for me?)

I believe this is actually a first of it's kind (but am not trying to make too "bold a claim" and am happy to be corrected if wrong).

The rest (and there is a lot) I will try and communicate in small chunks in the coming weeks and months (it took literally years to create this system and will probably take me at least a whole year to fully describe it unfortunately - but don't worry I will be dedicating all my working days and nights to doing this from now on).

Guys just to let you know if you wanted to set up a Project on CIYAM Open for Bitcoin100 you would be welcome to (the service would be offered to Bitcoin100 "fee free for life" of course).

After the Bitcoin100 "Project" (the top-level "record type" in the application's terminology) has been created you can then below it create specific Project Areas (nested if desired) below which finally you create specific Project Tasks (they could be used for the specific charity "drives" or maybe even for actual tasks that the NPO needs to get done) making it very easy for people to "see" where the funds have all gone (and allowing people to donate to say just one specific charity without having to even contact you).

No bitcoins are kept on the website nor would any of Bitcoin100's (or any other Project hosted on the site for that matter) donations ever be handled by CIYAM Open or myself personally (so the only thing that could be "lost" at all would be the non-essential service that the site is offering).

If interested please let me know and I'll set you up an account (best if one of you knows how to use GPG).

For the newbies who can't reply to the main thread (in Project Development) I've created this thread (please refer to the main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=132006.0 for details of how CIYAM Open works).

(casually opens the door to a new way of working - updated the OP with details)

For my 1,000th post apart from the profile name change (I still am the Director of CIYAM Pty. Ltd. but now think that its future role in CIYAM Open is most likely only going to be one of sponsorship) I'd like to start to introduce people to the project that had initially began as a part-time hobby and has turned out to now be a full-time obsession (for the last few years in particular) to improving the way that software is developed at a very fundamental level.

If you have a spare 5 minutes please take a look at the following:

http://ciyam.org/open/?cmd=view&data=20121221010507352000_P&ident=M100V112&chksum=d36e9a6a

I haven't rushed into creating this software platform as it is actually the culmination of design ideas, patterns and algorithms that I had begun developing as way back as 2000.

By far the hardest thing about Software Manufacturing has been convincing people it actually works and I don't expect the audience on Bitcointalk to be anything but skeptical but I am patient and will be happy to answer questions about any aspect of the system (and yes I know the documentation at this stage is rather minimal).

I have already created a CIYAM Safe for handling the transactions for CIYAM Open that will be performed in an externally audit-able manner (effectively "opening" the organisation's General Ledger for scrutiny by anyone that has access to the blockchain).

I look forward to getting younger (and fresher) minds involved in this project and pledge that except for some unforeseen circumstance arriving I will be working on this project full-time (and without remittance) for at least the next few years.

Actually I am getting closer to this possibility already...

Think of a "kindle like" device that has an "animation" capability built in but *zero* internet capability (I have one and it was cheap and was able to store QR codes with around 1K on each image that could be read by a webcam with no problem - and yes it's just a starting point - am sure it could be vamped up).

Yup - probably a stupid idea also (when you panic - you panic) - am *so* grateful that I lucked upon being mined by a pool such as BTC Guild (my appreciation will never be forgotten - nor my understanding about how "sendrawtransaction" works).

If you're using a VPN then I don't think you have any problem (apart from *them* logging you which is up to your own level of paranioa) and if you are wanting to use TOR then make sure you have configured Bitcoin correctly to use it (search this forum or google it).

Your IP address can only be hidden for certain by using either a proxy (consider logging though) or TOR (although it is still not likely to be revealed especially if you are not running a "listening" client).


You can send or receive bitcoins before you are "in sync" but you may not "see the tx's" until you are (this is somewhat related to the first point).

Although I know very well that today was an "epic facepalm" day for myself (have guaranteed that no-one will ever think that I am Satoshi) I think that CIYAM Open could be very helpful for managing this (will be starting to "set up shop" on Monday and please understand that *zero* bitcoins are stored at ciyam.org and that the Project owners control all their own bitcoins in whatever way they wish to so the "brain fart" that I had today could never affect another project that is hosted there).

The first 10 projects hosted will be "fee free for life" so hope you guys will at least take a look at it (btw - I think the name is great - 1 BTC very well spent!).

Yes indeed and also if I hadn't managed to get most of it back I think my wife would have been about ready to throw my computer out the window.

Hmm... let's just quote myself here for posterity - I think this will probably qualify as 2013's first "epic facepalm" on Bitcointalk.

Doh - missed by one month!

I will be in HK one month later (around Feb 18 but could make it a day or two either side) - if you guys decide to have another meeting next month I would be keen to turn up (and would be happy to speak about the CIYAM Open project if anyone is interested).

I have updated the CIYAM Safe "appliance" with some improvements to the scripts (you can now use either the camera or an image file as the unsigned transaction source) and the docco per suggestions made in this thread.

http://susestudio.com/a/kp8B3G/ciyam-safe

And for those who might have noticed another thread that I started a bit earlier - be warned that working with raw transactions can be an expensive excercise if you screw up.

Very much appreciated - although I've been doing raw tx's without a problem for weeks I guess the exhaustion of working over 12 hours per day for the last week has clearly taken its toll.

I will certainly be "ultra-cautious" with all future raw tx's.

That would be wonderful of you (losing 10 BTC is at least much better than losing 111 BTC).

I've sent a PM with a message and signature to prove I own it.

I won't let me send it (it has already seen it) - 2 confirmations now so too late for that attempt:

Block #215936 (BTC Guild) - is there someone on Bitcointalk that is a contact for them?