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5761  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Snowden should 'man-up' and face trial: says SOS John Kerry on: June 02, 2014, 10:35:37 PM

i'm kind of tempted to bet the GOP candidate losing to hilary, mainly because the republicans don't have enough broad appeal. though i won't vote for hilary, i wouldn't mind putting my money on her.

I wouldn't consider Rand a frontrunner. Paul will probably struggle for donors in CA, TX, OH. Current trends shouldn't be taken as a reasonable projection by any means.

There's a lot going on behind the scenes in Paul's plans to run for the big house. He's got monthly meetings w/ big time donors of all groups, even former Romney and Bush guys.
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The challenge for Paul at this stage, however, is not to persuade the American public of his policy correctness or his electability. Paul’s immediate target audience is an invisible primary electorate made up of influential party donors and power brokers, many of whom are relatively unfamiliar with Paul or wary of his political brand.

The process has involved relentlessly courting allies outside the traditional Libertarian core of support built up by his father, Ron Paul -- such as Rupert Murdoch, who accompanied Paul to this year's running of the Kentucky Derby.

But to land such meetings, Paul's political reputation alone does not always suffice, often requiring an assist from allies more connected to the mainstream Republican Party, such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

“You think Rupert Murdoch would have come to the Kentucky Derby with Rand if McConnell hadn't told him what a good guy he is?” said one Republican source with knowledge of the meeting. Indeed, since Paul has actively supported McConnell in his challenging re-election bid, McConnell has in return acted as an emissary of sorts for Paul with mainstream donors and party influencers. Then, once Paul gets in the room, his allies say, he’s gifted at closing the deal.


“When McConnell puts his arm on Rand's shoulder, he goes from a curiosity to a serious player,” the party source explained. “McConnell helps open the door, and Rand charges in.”

Also opening doors for Paul is Nate Morris, 33, a Kentucky-based businessman and former bundler for George W. Bush's 2004 presidential campaign, who boasts deep connections in the business community and a close friendship with Bush's former finance guru, Jack Oliver. Morris each month has been helping to set up several introductions between Paul and deep-pocketed GOP influencers.

Just as the Republican establishment has been slow to warm to Paul, support from the religious right — an important constituency in a Republican presidential primary — has also been somewhat elusive.

Paul began working to shore up support among religious conservatives with a trip to Israel early last year. The trip was the brainchild of David Lane, an evangelical activist with deep ties in Iowa, who has been at the center of Paul's efforts to appeal to the religious right. Also along for the ride were A.J. Spiker, the former Iowa Republican Party chairman who in March stepped down to steer Paul's PAC; now-former South Carolina GOP Chairman Chad Connelly; Mallory Factor, who holds influential meetings among conservative power brokers in New York and South Carolina; and Morris, among others.


But Paul has attracted the most notice for reaching far beyond the traditional Republican base of support — with a speech at Howard University in Washington, a historically black college, and by reaching out to black pastors.

“I haven't seen this kind of inclusive thinking since George W. Bush,” said one Republican familiar with Paul’s strategy. “He’s going places where Republicans typically won't go.”
cont...http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2548770

Also...
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Rand Paul to headline “conservatarian” tech gathering in San Francisco

By Joe Garofoli

A likely 2016 GOP presidential candidate is coming to San Francisco this summer and — stop the presses — not to raise money. Well, no fundraiser are scheduled yet for Sen. Rand Paul, R-KY when he rolls into town in July.

The main reason he’s coming to town is to headline “Lincoln Labs Conference 2014: Reboot,” the conservatarian tech conference July 18-20 in San Francisco. The goal of the confab is to link the tech savvy of Silicon Valley with the political needs of conservative and libertarian – or “conservatarian” – America.

Also scheduled to be there is Nick Gillespie, editor in chief of Reason.org and Reason TV, the libertarian media hubs, and Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, R-WA, who will be “trying to see how Congress can adapt some of these (tech) tools to what they’re doing,” co-organizers Aaron Ginn told me. Also on the lineup is Joe Green, former Harvard roommate of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and co-founder of the issue advocacy group fwd.us. He’ll be there to talk about tech and immigration reform
http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2014/05/29/rand-paul-to-headline-conservatarian-tech-gathering-in-san-francisco/
I'm sure Peter Thiel is in there somewhere. Grin
5762  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-05-29] Newsweek: Bitcoin Makes the Jump to Brick-and-Mortar in Cleveland on: June 02, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
I'd love to make the midwest of the USA a major BTC hub of activity and would love it especially if major action came to Detroit. The population took a dive because the inner city folk moved out to the burbs and because the auto industry took a hit because the unions held them hostage for so long + NAFTA and GATT. All democratic policies I might add. The revitalization of Detroit is starting right now as the bad debt is being liquidated and the pensions being dealt with. The music venues, sports teams, casinos, restaurants are bringing the right clientele downtown but the surrounding areas need a good flush job and the old, abandoned homes/buildings still need to go. Rand Paul's economic freedom zones would do wonders for the D.
5763  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-06-02] CD: Citi: Bitcoin a Threat to Debit and Credit Card Issuers on: June 02, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
Lulz at "wannabe means of transactions". They are freaking out because there's no where for their business to go but down, as in decreases and become less and less. Plus, w/ Russia and China ditching the USD, there's some really big problems down the pike for us financial interests if they don't adopt BTC. Frankly, that's their way out and a great answer to the other countries that are backing away from the USD as the world reserve currency. The big banksters already ripped off the public at large so they should just invest it wisely from now on. Wink
5764  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Missouri shuts down Active Mining investment activities on: June 02, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
It doesn't appear that this guy was a crook in that he should go to jail. It does, however, make it look like he wasn't exactly looking out for the best interests of his investors. Tho, he is willing to pay the fine and allegedly reimburse investors that want out. Hope this sets a both a precedent and a learning experience for investors and IPO chiefs as well. Keep it clean and stop making crypto and the free market look like shit. It's definitely not good PR for the public when they see alleged scammers involved in something and I can only imagine the bad taste it would leave in their mouths. They aren't true believers like we are and it doesn't help our cause when people in positions of trust go AWOL or shake people down. The golden rule applies in this line of business. Also, it's cases like these that justify the state being involved in economics.
5765  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rachel Abrams of the New York Times is a complete dumbass on: June 02, 2014, 03:41:48 AM
All I could see her writing about is the latest w/ Dish and didn't seem to say much of anything about mining. Just the standard reporting on BTC related things, nothing technical of course. I guess these days any press is helpful in getting the word out to the boobs.
5766  Economy / Securities / Re: Klyemax Studios Shareholders thread. on: June 02, 2014, 01:22:56 AM
Klye must be still pounding broads on cam right now making epic divs. Cheesy
5767  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone here get paid in Bitcoin? on: June 02, 2014, 01:15:29 AM
Get payed in cash but turn that into BTC every week or so. I'm not going to say whether I get paid for other things in crypto or not.  Lips sealed
5768  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How bitcoin change the life on: June 02, 2014, 01:09:05 AM
Or read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585541.0
Plus there's the entire "India" bitcointalk subforum up in there.
5769  Other / Politics & Society / N.S.A. Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images on: June 02, 2014, 12:28:36 AM
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By JAMES RISEN and LAURA POITRAS

The National Security Agency is harvesting huge numbers of images of people from communications that it intercepts through its global surveillance operations for use in sophisticated facial recognition programs, according to top-secret documents.

The spy agency’s reliance on facial recognition technology has grown significantly over the last four years as the agency has turned to new software to exploit the flood of images included in emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences and other communications, the N.S.A. documents reveal. Agency officials believe that technological advances could revolutionize the way that the N.S.A. finds intelligence targets around the world, the documents show. The agency’s ambitions for this highly sensitive ability and the scale of its effort have not previously been disclosed.

The agency intercepts “millions of images per day” — including about 55,000 “facial recognition quality images” — which translate into “tremendous untapped potential,” according to 2011 documents obtained from the former agency contractor Edward J. Snowden. While once focused on written and oral communications, the N.S.A. now considers facial images, fingerprints and other identifiers just as important to its mission of tracking suspected terrorists and other intelligence targets, the documents show.
Full version @ http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us/nsa-collecting-millions-of-faces-from-web-images.html?_r=1 aka NY Slimes.

Coming up next, mandatory DNA samples needed to log on to the internet. Welcome to 1984
5770  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-06-01] Boston University Economist Mark T. Williams’ Bitcoin Price Predict on: June 01, 2014, 10:29:09 PM
This is what tenure gives a lot of: grant money for preaching and teaching stupidity. This guy would've likely lost his job at a private university for being so ignorant, getting slapped down and then going all-in on it. Tho, he is probably getting some laughs from his associates.
5771  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SWAT Team’s Stun Grenade Burns Child, Leaves Him in Coma on: June 01, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
I was going to add this to my police state thread but to bury these instances in one thread seems pointless. Mind you, no drugs were found and now the baby will likely have issues all life long because of this.
But to add on to this: This bunch has a checkered past
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Drug task force that burned a toddler this week also killed an innocent pastor in 2009

But this same task force has a history. In February, I posted about a settlement in the death of Jonathan Ayers, an innocent pastor that this same drug task force killed in a drug operation in 2009.

In September 2009, the young pastor Ayers was ministering to a young woman whom a Georgia drug task force was investigating on drug charges. (She had allegedly sold an undercover officer $50 worth of cocaine.) When task force members saw Ayers alone in the car with the woman, they switched their focus to him. According to Ayers’s lawsuit, the woman was about to be evicted from the motel at which she was staying. Ayers gave her the $23 in his pocket to help cover her rent.

The task force followed Ayers to a convenience store, where he went in to get money from an ATM. When he returned and got into his car they pounced. They pulled up behind him in an unmarked black SUV. Armed agents dressed in street clothes then rushed Ayers’s car. He put his car in reverse and attempted to escape. In the process, he nicked one agent. Another then opened fire, killing him. Ayers told hospital staff was that he thought he was being robbed. His reported last words were, “Who shot me?”

Ayers had no drugs in his car or in his system, and there was no evidence he was using or distributing anything illegal. Still, local law enforcement officials tried to smear him. They first said he was part of their drug investigation all along, then retracted. The woman the police were following initially said in an interview that Ayers was counseling her and helping her kick her drug habit. Later, while facing criminal charges for a separate incident, she changed her story and claimed that Ayers had been paying her for sex.

In the end, Ayers was innocent, and a federal jury awarded his widow a $2 million settlement.

In the burned toddler raid, Terrell told the paper that District Attorney Brian Rickman had already cleared the task force of any wrongdoing. That’s a remarkably fast investigation given that the raid happened less than two days ago. Rickman also cleared the cops in the Ayers case. So did the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Rickman would tell a local paper that the investigations went “to extraordinary lengths,” and, “I do not see how anybody could say the process was unfair based on the lengths that they went to.”

Here’s what happened next:

Ayers left behind a wife, Abigail, who at the time of his death was pregnant with her first child. She filed a lawsuit and hired her own investigator to look into the shooting. What he found is astonishing. As it turns out, Officer Billy Shane Harrison, the cop who shot Ayers, hadn’t taken the series of firearms training classes required for his certification as a police officer. It gets worse. It turns out that Harrison also had received zero training in the use of lethal force.

He wasn’t authorized to make arrests or to carry a gun. Yet somehow he had been given a position on a narcotics task force, a position that not only gave him a gun but put him in volatile, high-stakes situations where he might be tempted to use it. Abigail Ayers’s lawsuit also alleged that Harrison and Officer Chance Oxner, who initially bought the drugs from the woman Ayers was counseling, had a history of disciplinary problems, including use of illicit drugs.

So those “fair” investigations that went to “extraordinary lengths” failed to discover that the cop who shot Ayers not only had prior disciplinary problems, but also he wasn’t even legally authorized to be a cop, much less carry a gun. It was later revealed that Rickman had appointed the head of the task force at the time of the Ayers shooting, and was a close personal friend with the officer (who is now deceased).

So maybe we should take Rickman’s quick assessment of this week’s raid with a grain of salt.

In my post on Ayers, I noted how little professional accountability there had been for the death of Jonathan Ayers. The cop who killed him was fired, but only after it was revealed that he lacked the training. One other law enforcement official was fired for lying about the training. No one was disciplined for the actual killing of Ayers. Rickman, Terrell, and the other sheriff who oversees the task force were all reelected.

Perhaps we shouldn’t be all that surprised that a sheriff who sees drug suspects as “terrorists” also oversees a drug task force that has now killed an innocent pastor and burned a two-year-old child.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/drug-task-force-that-burned-a-toddler-this-week-also-killed-an-innocent-pastor-in-2009/
It's amazing these guys can freak out so much over plant matter and then use tactics on the home front that troops might not even use in Falujah.

Police commentary on OP raid

"Our team went by the book. Given the same scenario, we’ll do the same thing again. I stand behind what our team did.” - Joey Terrell, Habersham County Brute Squad - http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=275516

"There was no clothes, there was no toys, there was nothing to indicate that there was children present in the home. If there had a been, then we woulda done something different." - Joey Terrell, Habersham County Brute Squad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3d8_zcFRVY

Damage report

 Sad
5772  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Snowden should 'man-up' and face trial: says SOS John Kerry on: June 01, 2014, 09:05:18 PM
Daniel Ellsberg schools John Kerry on patriotism (and the Espionage Act)
Daniel Ellsberg is the whistleblower who was behind the release of the so-called "Pentagon Papers."

US Secretary of State John Kerry calls Ellsberg a "patriot" - and he calls Edward Snowden a "coward" and a "traitor."

Ellsberg says, "John Kerry is wrong" and that Snowden "is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time" ...

h/t Bob Murphy: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/05/ellsberg-vs-kerry-on-snowden.html

Snowden would not get a fair trial - and Kerry is wrong
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Daniel Ellsberg (30 May 2014)

Edward Snowden is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time, and he knows what I learned more than four decades ago: until the Espionage Act gets reformed, he can never come home safe and receive justice

John Kerry was in my mind Wednesday morning, and not because he had called me a patriot on NBC News. I was reading the lead story in the New York Times – "US Troops to Leave Afghanistan by End of 2016" – with a photo of American soldiers looking for caves. I recalled not the Secretary of State but a 27-year-old Kerry, asking, as he testified to the Senate about the US troops who were still in Vietnam and were to remain for another two years: How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?

I wondered how a 70-year-old Kerry would relate to that question as he looked at that picture and that headline. And then there he was on MSNBC an hour later, thinking about me, too, during a round of interviews about Afghanistan that inevitably turned to Edward Snowden ahead of my fellow whistleblower’s own primetime interview that night:

There are many a patriot – you can go back to the Pentagon Papers with Dan Ellsberg and others who stood and went to the court system of America and made their case. Edward Snowden is a coward, he is a traitor, and he has betrayed his country. And if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so.

On the Today show and CBS, Kerry complimented me again – and said Snowden "should man up and come back to the United States" to face charges. But John Kerry is wrong, because that's not the measure of patriotism when it comes to whistleblowing, for me or Snowden, who is facing the same criminal charges I did for exposing the Pentagon Papers.
Cont...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-act
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John Kerry's challenge to Snowden to return and face trial is either disingenuous or simply ignorant that current prosecutions under the Espionage Act allow no distinction whatever between a patriotic whistleblower and a spy. Either way, nothing excuses Kerry's slanderous and despicable characterizations of a young man who, in my opinion, has done more than anyone in or out of government in this century to demonstrate his patriotism, moral courage and loyalty to the oath of office the three of us swore: to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The jury came back and Kerry is a jackass. Smiley
5773  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Snowden should 'man-up' and face trial: says SOS John Kerry on: June 01, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
Opinions on Rand Paul?
I'd probably vote for him this time around

The Libertarian party quite effectively summed up Rand Paul when they said he betrayed the core libertarian principles. There's a reason Paul caucuses with the GOP. His so called social libertarian positions (as far as marijuana is concerned) are only a compromise to pander to the younger GOP support base. In reality, he's far from libertarian views on society, and his views on same-sex marriage prove it.

I wonder how he deviated so much from his father.
He hasn't.
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"We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul
Rand is just packaging the liberty message for broader appeal; something his dad was too set in his ways to do. Between the media demagoguing Ron's presentation of the issues and declaring him a kook/quixotic/unelectable, it's very important that Rand make his stances bullet proof from all that. Also, he's trying to reclaim the GOP from the neocons so his version of libertarian populism is working well especially on the NSA front.
5774  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Snowden should 'man-up' and face trial: says SOS John Kerry on: June 01, 2014, 05:02:11 PM
Fuck you, I would love to vote for the Libertarian party in my country but they don't even show up in a lot of the polling stations!

That is the problem. What is the use in voting for a party, which is not even represented in most of the ballot papers? A better option might be to support the Libertarian section within the GOP.
That is exactly what we need to do. I used to be an LP dues paying member from like age 14-25ish and went to the meetings and did petition drives but Ron Paul punched the libertarians ticket in the GOP and now it's alive and well. We now have Paul, Cruz and Lee in the US Senate and Amash, Massie, Sanford and a host of other great libertarian-leaning republicans in the House + more coming this next election. Many of us are party delegates as well as many tea party conservatives and we unite at county, district and state conventions to support the better leadership picks (anti-establishment). I use the LP nowadays merely as a protest vote since there's not much difference between a neocon and a liberal nutball unless the lib is very progressive in their civil liberties stances. But, the LP does field candidates where we have a great republican nominee (anti-establishment) and that pisses me off to no end and then they just become a pest, esp if they're bought and paid by the left.
5775  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians’ Love Of The Warfare State Is Killing Other Christians on: June 01, 2014, 02:39:38 AM
Blaming christians is sorta fallacious when we could be blaming the people who manipulate and brainwash the people below them, the government and powers that be.
I was attempting to spread the blame for these Christians dying in other areas but the problem is, these folks aren't Americans or are of a different ethnicity so they aren't thought of as Christians that matter a whole lot. Also, when the domestic Christians are fed the bill of goods about whatever conflict, they never do any research about the conflict other than what they're told by their parson or by their right wing media talking points. There's no doubt that there's an information war going on and agree that we have to step up our game to offset the manipulations and lies. Thankfully, we now have more prominent political figures in the limelight and on our side to do the higher profile speaking engagements. So, our donations to these guys allows us to speak our voices besides what we do in the grassroots or in party politics as delegates mingling w/ other party delegates. The major blame lays w/ the nonsense pushers but we can only blame them so much since they're "on the clock".
5776  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-05-29] Wallmart online sells Bitcoin-Miner ... finally :o) on: June 01, 2014, 01:54:26 AM
No surprises there.

BFL finally found a marketplace to sell their expensive room-heaters to people dumb enough to buy them.

A match made in scammer heaven!
Yeah but the average Walmart people (look it up Wink) don't have the slightest idea on what the miner does nor how to set it up. You can take that to the bank.
5777  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-05-31] Stixs News: The Value of Bitcoin Has Increased by 30% in 2 Weeks on: June 01, 2014, 01:52:06 AM
Despite out of control governments all over the place it still is an exciting time to be alive. Coming from a non-tech savvy kind of guy, crypto and BTC in particular have had me taking on interests and a new way of life that I never saw coming. People who know me are like wtf is he doing w/ all this digital crazyness.. and then they get wind of the price when I first started talking about it and where it is now. Grin
5778  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: June 01, 2014, 01:25:22 AM
If this is a permanent problem (as in they went rogue) and I know yall have my email address, is there a way to provide another wallet for payment while also verifying our share holdings? This is really starting to look shady on their part.
5779  Economy / Securities / Re: Cryptovest Financial Services (CVFS) Stock IPO 0.5-4% dividends p/m on: June 01, 2014, 01:21:01 AM
Dear Chef,

Yes I do!

Kr,

Malcolm O
Thank God. If for some reason these guys (CS) are still playing around when divs start rolling in, can we provide alternate wallet addresses and verify our share holdings to get paid elsewhere?
5780  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians’ Love Of The Warfare State Is Killing Other Christians on: May 31, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Whose fault is it they were played?
There's plenty of blame to go around imo. Anytime you have folks out there perpetuating a fraud under the guise of something else, it's clearly morally wrong especially if it results in more death. On the flip, being blind followers of one party as it's directed down a different path than the socially conservative path of the Reagan years towards what it became in the 2000s is shameful on many of these Christians' behalves. So, the GOP got changed for the worse and now Rand is trying to return it to promoters of real capitalism and individual rights. Now, the democrats went all radical lefty and I wonder what goes on in party regulars minds and whether they think the hijack went too far.
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