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5761  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 07, 2011, 07:55:08 PM
Solution:
- Set a DEFINED limit of pixels.  "Can't be much larger than" 468x60 isn't a hard limit, thus people will press past it.  Define the limit AS 468x60, and self-policing within the community will happen.  There is no reason not to have a hard limit, and plenty of reasons to have one.
- Ban anyone who does not follow the rules on it.  If people know the consequences are severe, they will be much less likely to break said rules.

Also, the next forum software will disable all image embedding?  Whoa, talk about a step backwards!  I guess some people really DO still want to be stuck in the 90's.
5762  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Photo hour - a bitcoin art project on: November 07, 2011, 07:44:54 PM
Cool.

I have to say, that "best image so far" IS pretty fantastic.
5763  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Photo hour - a bitcoin art project on: November 07, 2011, 06:49:22 PM
Was that the exact wording of the mission requests?  Take a "portrait of the dead" and pictures of the "construction workers of stockholm"?  Just curious...
5764  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin technology adapted into the voting system? on: November 07, 2011, 06:47:03 PM
Electronic voting requires two steps.

1. Assign a unique cryptographic identity to every eligible voter.
2. Collect votes of all cryptographic identities with some protocol.

Cryptographic voting protocols for #2 with good properties already exist (example), and Bitcoin, which was designed to do something else entirely, brings very little, if anything, to the table. For #1, as long as voting eligibility relies on some meatspace attribute, you'll need a meatspace interaction to make the assignment, no sort of fancy technology can change that.
Agree completely.  There is no point in trying to use bitcoin for voting.  It just doesn't work any better than any existing dedicated solution.

This has already been discussed, and there's no way to do it.  How could you possibly ensure that no one votes twice?  Or a thousand times?

Somehow implement the proof of work into that. If everyone was assigned an 'voting address' similar to a btc address that could be either be hashed with the last 4 of a social security # or something. I dont think that would be the biggest problem

Actually that is THE biggest problem.  Really the only non-trivial problem.

A POW doesn't prove the person doing it is suppose to be voting.  My company has millions of SSN.  So I could take them take the last 4 and vote as a million people.

Maintaining an accurate vote count, ensuring votes aren't tampered with, and allowing transparency once you solve the critical and difficult problem of ensuring only valid persons vote and they only vote once.  There is nothing in Bitcoin or block chains that help to solve that problem.  

I see your point, people can actually 'sell their votes' in a way where they sell their address and the buyer gets another vote.

Hmm, there has to be a good theory at least on how to do it, development can come after.
What if the current system of going to a polling station is used, and you still need to show ID to vote. After the ID is shown and your a registered vote an on the spot program generates a random (and I say that lightly) key which acts as your receipt.
You then go into the booth, vote using your receipt key.
Before you leave, the receipt key is checked if its in the system so you can't walk out with it and sell it. At the same time, when you go home you can see your vote in the blockchain.

Thoughts?

Why would you use this as opposed to any existing electronic voting method?  It offers no advantages.  The polling station could just as easily issue themselves a bunch of random keys, or issue a bunch of them to someone offering them a bunch of money, or the system could be hacked and give the hacker a bunch of random keys, etc.

Bitcoin introduces nothing new to such a system.
5765  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin technology adapted into the voting system? on: November 07, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
This has already been discussed, and there's no way to do it.  How could you possibly ensure that no one votes twice?  Or a thousand times?
5766  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange PayPal for BTC for reputation on: November 07, 2011, 05:19:45 AM
Sure, I'd do moneypak for BTC.  I only have 20 BTC to sell, but I'd do anything up to that amount for moneypak.
5767  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] Windows XP Professional Licenses on: November 05, 2011, 12:36:58 AM
An open license (AKA volume license) is typically used in larger businesses that have a contract with MS to supply licenses for as many computers as they need for a set monthly or annual fee.

If you're trying to make it legit and move away from pirate licenses, I certainly wouldn't call someone else's volume license a good way to do that.  JMO.
5768  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange PayPal for BTC for reputation on: November 05, 2011, 12:35:30 AM
I think this is a great way.  But what if Paypal knows that it is for transactions of bitcoins, the paypal account may be suspended.

If you're willing to, I will send BTC 45 days after you send me paypal, to ensure the transaction cannot be reversed.
If paypal suspends the account, I would either not send the coins, or, if the transaction did eventually make its way through, I would send the coins 45 days after it is posted.  Bottom line though, if I receive money, and have it for 45 days in my account, I will send coins.  Not going to cheat anyone out of their money because Paypal does weird stuff.
5769  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange PayPal for BTC for reputation on: November 05, 2011, 12:10:39 AM
that is possible, but not more than $10... )
How much would you like to do?

also, i can send as a GIFT, which can not be reversed as i remember
I think even gift payments can be reversed if paid with a credit card, and then call up the CC company to dispute the charge.  Not saying that you would do that, but just that it's still possible to reverse.
5770  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange PayPal for BTC for reputation on: November 05, 2011, 12:00:55 AM
If you're willing to, I will send BTC 45 days after you send me paypal, to ensure the transaction cannot be reversed.
5771  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: November 04, 2011, 11:29:25 PM
So just to keep everyone informed, I own a good portion of the shares of SIN and for a good while too. I have sent out multiple request to Twsix or whatever his name is regarding a restructure plane, buyout plan, absorbtion plan and no response ever.
My last attemps at communication have been both from this fourm and email with the email attempts bounching back as failure to deliver. The contets of the last message outlined the laws broken including USC codes for illigal securities, securities fraud. Federal law regarding wire fraud and investor fraud, and California state codes regarding the same as the federal laws violated. If he does not contact and or restore service within 7 days (11/2 was the date of transmision) that I will take this to that level.
I have contacted the Legal@ email for his ISP after speaking with them over the phone on the matter and am in the middle of compiling all information on this fraud.
I will have more details when I can sit and write. I am in the middle of a move right now and things are still packed including my office.
Cool.  Glad to hear someone is trying for justice!  Smiley
5772  Economy / Speculation / Re: 9 days - 8 green 1 red - is this unprecedented? on: November 04, 2011, 08:04:08 PM
There IS an upward push on pricing from miners.  And most miners DO still turn a profit on their rigs.

So...  Huh

You've got me here - how can miners push up when all they do is producing bitcoins?  Or do you say that today all miners are automatically also buyers now because the prices are so low that buying is cheaper then mining.
No, I'm saying that some miners hold, so it *helps* with upward pricing on bitcoins.

We have a relatively steady price right now.  If all miners sold their bitcoins after mining them, the price would be lower.  If no miners sold their bitcoins after mining them, the price would be higher.  BECAUSE we have SOME miners who don't sell their bitcoins, it keeps the price where it is at, by maintaining some upward pressure on the price.  And yes, holding bitcoins DOES put upward pressure on the price.  If everyone held, there would still be buyers, so the buyers would start offering higher prices.  The holders would be contributing to the upward pressure on the price.
This is the same thing as saying "not buying" puts downward pressure on the price. So most holders are, in reality contributing to both upward and downward pressure.
Hard to argue with that... ok, fine.  Tongue
5773  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: [WTS] (NA) League of Legends loaded account (All Unlocks) (Stocked/RP/IP) on: November 04, 2011, 07:45:57 PM
Still kind of a lowball offer from me, but if you're desperate, I can buy it for 20 BTC.  That's all I have ATM though, so I can't offer more.
5774  Economy / Speculation / Re: 9 days - 8 green 1 red - is this unprecedented? on: November 04, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
There IS an upward push on pricing from miners.  And most miners DO still turn a profit on their rigs.

So...  Huh

You've got me here - how can miners push up when all they do is producing bitcoins?  Or do you say that today all miners are automatically also buyers now because the prices are so low that buying is cheaper then mining.
No, I'm saying that some miners hold, so it *helps* with upward pricing on bitcoins.

We have a relatively steady price right now.  If all miners sold their bitcoins after mining them, the price would be lower.  If no miners sold their bitcoins after mining them, the price would be higher.  BECAUSE we have SOME miners who don't sell their bitcoins, it keeps the price where it is at, by maintaining some upward pressure on the price.  And yes, holding bitcoins DOES put upward pressure on the price.  If everyone held, there would still be buyers, so the buyers would start offering higher prices.  The holders would be contributing to the upward pressure on the price.
5775  Economy / Speculation / Re: 9 days - 8 green 1 red - is this unprecedented? on: November 03, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
I'm kind of feeling the same way.  I feel like there should be an upward push on pricing from miners that want to turn a profit on their rigs.

Myself, for instance, I am not liquidating my BTC I mine.  I feel that I can get more and intend only to transfer BTC out of the commodity when the price has reached equilibrium.  I would imagine the basal equilibrium would be a combination of depreciated hardware values + ongoing electrical cost with a slight margin for profitability.

Of course if such an equilibrium exists, it'd be somewhere below the ideal point for those that paid full retail for their mining equipment and somewhere above ideal for those that paid the lowest dollar possible.
There IS an upward push on pricing from miners.  And most miners DO still turn a profit on their rigs.

So...  Huh
5776  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: November 03, 2011, 08:06:32 PM
I was really thinking SIN would be a great alternative to actually buying cards, I was going to invest in them but now im not sure if any of these type of company are really trustworthy.

I have to pay my electric bill for my bitcoins too!
They're trustworthy if they're actually registered as a business and give you the business information.  Otherwise, no.
5777  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] The Humble Voxatron Debut! (humble indie bundle) on: November 02, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Probably the fact that people can buy it for $0.01 is a deterrent.  Tongue  It just sounded handy to me to not have to go through the purchase process, and 0.55 BTC is small beans, so I did it.
5778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to mine CPU coins for free on: November 02, 2011, 09:56:36 PM
So you get 1.5 KH/s for 750 hours, which is equivalent to 1.125MH/s for 1 hour, or about 0.00004166 BTC.

I seriously hope no one wastes their time with this!  It's a nice thought OP, but it really isn't worth anyone's time.

Its for mining scrypt and Litecoin not BTC
My bad, didn't see what subforum this was in.
5779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to mine CPU coins for free on: November 02, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
So you get 1.5 KH/s for 750 hours, which is equivalent to 1.125MH/s for 1 hour, or about 0.00004166 BTC.

I seriously hope no one wastes their time with this!  It's a nice thought OP, but it really isn't worth anyone's time.
5780  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is your net return in USD? on: November 02, 2011, 09:03:19 PM
Unfortunately, it is the way the world works.  It could be a lot better place if people didn't have to look out for themselves, but because some do, it dictates that all must.

Game theory and the prisoners dilemma. I know. But I have the belief that we can change the nash equilibrium if we actually tried. Call me naive or tell me I don't know how the world works, all I am suggesting is that we try to come up with a better way of doing things rather than replicating the same problems of the existing financial system.

You asked me if I do anything to gain money at the expense of others, I would only feel good about it if they gave it willingly to pay me for a service rendered or a product purchased, not if it has been accidentally lost by them due to a mistake they made or through some other form of serendipity. Such as occurs in a movement of the market that they could have not anticipated - they are not giving up their money willingly in this case.

When you say that people participate willingly in the market, and therefore your profiting from their losses is moral, I disagree. I get what you are saying that they are getting the chance of profit, but when the price movements are dictated by those with excessive capital, swaying it in their favor, then they are being unfairly robbed of their chance. That is all.
Fair enough.  Wink
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