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5781  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin und die Umsatzsteuer on: October 12, 2013, 04:55:28 PM
Klingt wie wenn einige hier Bitcoins jetzt als recht risikoreich ansehen. Rein theoretisch würde das ja bedeuten dass auf jeden Bitcoinuser irgendwann eine kräftige nachträgliche Rechnung warten könnte... wenn der Staat will.

Und wenn man das fürchtet muss man auch einen Preissturz des Bitcoins befürchten. Was wiederum dazu führen könnte dass man seinen Bitcoinwert in Sicherheit bringen will. Aber Tausch in Fiat wäre riskant. Vermutlich nur Tausch in Gold wäre machbar. Macht irgendjemand hier Vorsorge gegen solche Preisstürze durch staatliche Eingriffe oder Verbote? Wenn ja welche?
5782  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: October 12, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
VMC Sales:

3rd Quarter 2013           $1,404,217

kenslaughter... so thats 10030BTC for the months July to September for miner sales? Are those already paid out as divs, will this come in the next time or did i misunderstood something about this?
5783  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 12, 2013, 04:17:00 PM
We have been experimenting with some different setups, one of which mines against a local wallet, rather than paying out directly to pico.  For example, I just triggered a payout of 100 BTC.  

We are still mining at about 80 - 83TH, waiting for new gear to arrive.  With the China holiday we've encountered some unfortunate slowness in getting more production boards.  

There are lots of boards coming for both retail and for the mine.  We do have to ship now that its October, so we will be doing both as fast as possible - but I assure you Tytus has a made a completely separate run that goes to the mine - its not even the same design, so it won't be used for retail.

Anything you read about us mining for ourselves or whatever is just FUDsters working the price lower.  We should be way past 100TH by end of this month, based on what I know is coming...

Dave
For the 4th time, at the risk of it becoming annoying ; What is ETA to 200ths ?

Could someone enlighten me on why there is always references to hardware shipping out and how does it impact the "100ths mine" ?

It seems to be that the 100TH-Mine was a project to collect enough bitcoins to create an ASIC so that the owner of the design later can have a private business to make a fortune. So the investors get a bit hashpower to earn a bit bitcoins back and the project will slowly die when it reached 200TH. The founder then has an ASIC-Design for free and can sell miners and can mine himself and all income goes to his own pocket. The shareholders now are not pleased that he is selling for his own pocket only already while the farm not even has 200TH.
A good business concept for the founder of course. He got a strong income sponsored. He didnt lie about his intentions so i think nothing can be said against. Though its a bit annoying to see that the founder already makes big bucks while the shareholders that helped him to this point probably wont see roi.
I sold all of my shares now and lost 83%... i have to blame myself for not calculating properly before investing...
5784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GRouPcoin on: October 12, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
Groupcoins are a currency traded at open transaction server digitalis. At least the owner claims that this currency is used for a MORPG or so. But till now i spent a lot of time to make this software run to trade my groupcoins but i failed only till now...
5785  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin und die Umsatzsteuer on: October 12, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
Dass der gewerbliche Verkauf von Bitcoins hingegen, z. B. durch Miner, theoretisch nicht umsatzsteuerbefreit ist, hat ja schon die letzte Anfrage von Herrn Schäffler klargemacht. Ist irgendwie auch konsequent: man stellt etwas her und verkauft es. Daher gibt es Umsatzsteuern.

Ich weiß nicht... letztendlich ist es doch eine Bezahlung der gesamten Bitcoincommunity. Zumindest bei den Transaktionsgebühren ist das schon mal so. Und neue Bitcoins die entstehen sind doch auch eine Bezahlung der gesamten Community die darin übereinstimmen dass jemand 25BTC erhält für seinen Dienst. Damit gibt es mehr Bitcoins als vorher was eigentlich eine Wertminderung aller bisher bestehenden Bitcoins bedeutet. Wenn man Bitcoins als Wertanlage ansehen will. Wenn eine Firma neue Aktien ausgibt bedeutet das auch dass alle bisherigen Aktien ein wenig weniger wert sind.
Von daher denke ich dass das eher eine Bezahlung aller an den Miner ist. Ob man das besteuern kann wenn die Zahlenden nicht ermittelt werden können?

Ich hab aber keine wirkliche Ahnung davon... Smiley
5786  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: October 11, 2013, 11:32:37 PM
VMC Sales:

3rd Quarter 2013           $1,404,217

Are hose miner sales that will lead to a big dividend for activemining shareholders?
5787  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.q on: October 11, 2013, 08:16:42 PM


fgrep -nR "main_show_basket" scripts/*

scripts/ot/ot_commands.ot:52:def main_show_basket()


Looks like main_show_basket() is on line 52 of the file "ot_commands.ot"

Perhaps you have an old version of this file?

You might see if there are multiple copies on your system, and also pull it up and make sure that function exists on line 52.



There are 2 files. But it seems i already have the newest file in the needed place. So the file that is referencind the function must be the problem. But i dont see why it doesnt work when its taken from the original linux version... and i wonder why it doesnt work for me but for the win-version-dev... did any other user try it?
5788  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: October 11, 2013, 07:18:21 PM
There are 2 posts... the first is on bottom. I guess you havent updated the firmware yet either then.

Are the new boards still shipping with out-of-date firmware, then?



I don't think so, I've got 1 bitburner xx this week and it runs out of the box.
Order #36x

The old miner ran out of the box too. But with the newer firmware they ran better. But like i said, i dont know if the newer miners already have the newest firmware included.
5789  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 11, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
bug fixed. trades are executed now. Sorry guys.

Share price will only improve if we add more hashing power. We work on this full time.

Even 200TH would only be a temporary rise in shareprice. If you tell me you plan to reinvest and go even further than that to keep a target percent of network hashrate ill happily buy in again.
5790  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 10, 2013, 06:38:35 PM
Right... selling shares isnt possible even though matching offers to buy exist...
5791  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: all4btc.com < But off Amazon with Bitcoin < Is this legit? on: October 10, 2013, 06:32:24 PM
I never tried the service in the end, have they not complete your orders?

I didnt try to buy amazon but since i did not get an answer through any contact form i would never risk my bitcoins there. Its a too bad sign simply.
5792  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: October 10, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
There are 2 posts... the first is on bottom. I guess you havent updated the firmware yet either then.

Are the new boards still shipping with out-of-date firmware, then?



I dont know. I only flashed all boards i got just to be sure...
5793  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 bestellt (geschlossen) on: October 10, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Dass bitfury boards verschickt wurden liegt daran dass unsere boards fertig erstellt wurden, zefirs chips waren noch nicht da. Also hat burnin bitfurys erstellen lassen. Danach kommen die chips von zefir dran, die danach angekommen sind.

Die bitfuries werden, soweit ich weiß, auch nicht von burnin verschickt. Er hat alle boards an cryptx verschickt und die verschicken sie. Das dürfte nur ein paket gewesen sein. Also nichts was unsere boards behindert hätte. Die sind schon vorher fertig gewesen und werden momentan verschickt. Nur ein kleinerer Teil ist noch beim Assembler der die Tests durchführt.

Drachentöter... burnin hat, für mich nicht gerade schlau, von Anfang an sehr knapp kalkuliert. Er hat einfach komplett drauf gesetzt dass das funktioniert. Wie wir ja auch. Jetzt hat er Erstattung versprochen obwohl er nicht muss. Sogar mehr als er eigentlich könnte. Er will aber trotzdem mindestens so viel erstatten. Find ich ehrenwert. Andernfalls hätte er pleite gehen müssen und das wars halt.

Wie gesagt... die Boards sind einfach nicht schneller fertig geworden wegen der jetzt geringen Auftragslage und der Situation beim Assembler. Da haben die Bitfurys, zumindest bei unserem Gruppenkauf, keinen negativen Effekt gehabt. Bei den Chips aus zefirs Gruppenkauf mag es ein paar Tage Verzögerung gegeben haben was aber auch nur daran lag dass die Chips noch nicht da waren.

Wie gesagt... er hätte auch einfach pleite gehen können und das wars. Und das wäre ja nun nicht mal das Übelste was man in Bitcoin-Land bisher gesehen hat. Er will es anders machen und das finde ich ziemlich gut von ihm.
5794  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: October 10, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
Phoning didn't work. Newar and Mr. Turtle are in Thailand I believe they might be able to track him easier.

I will drop him an old school postcard to the address I drop shipped items to and see if that can raise him.

Yes this is worrying.

A postcard is a good idea. In case he is not able to get on the internet for some reason someone other might get in contact this way. I mean not everyone knows what to do with the internet.
5795  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 09, 2013, 10:06:37 PM
Is 100TH really selling miners before the 200TH are built and without divs coming from that sales? Someone mentioned that in the thread but i dont know if thats correct.
5796  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: October 09, 2013, 10:02:55 PM
I got my bitburners xx order #42x today.
One bitburner works fine with the usb.
The second is working fine with the usb but not with the CAN-bus. Weeks ago I read about this problem in the forum but now I could not find it.
Could anybody help me?


Did you put jumpers on the boards? See: http://www.burninmining.com/news/



Thanks a lot. That was the problem. I searched in this forum and didn´t find the answer.

You should check out: http://www.burninmining.com/news/

There are 2 posts... the first is on bottom. I guess you havent updated the firmware yet either then.
5797  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.q on: October 09, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Looks like i did it wrong first with the sample data. I now renamed the old setting-dir and used a new one. I copied in there the content of sample-data/ot-sample-data and started. It seems it founds server, nym, acct and purse but got an error then:

Code:
Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.89.q

Using as server: r1fUoHwJOWCuK3WBAAySjmKYqsG6G2TYIxdqY6YNuuG
Using as mynym: DYEB6U7dcpbwdGrftPnslNKz76BDuBTFAjiAgKaiY2n
Using as myacct: yQGh0vgm9YiqYOh6bfLDxyAA7Nnh2NmturCQmOt4LTo
Using as mypurse: JY7kEFnm2c50CGNphdpgnlVo2hOZuLrBua5cFqWWR9Q

OTScriptChai::ExecuteScript:
 Caught chaiscript::exception::eval_error:
 Can not find object: main_show_basket.
   File:
   Start position, line: 0 column: 0
   End position,   line: 0 column: 0

Error: "Can not find object: main_show_basket" during evaluation at (430, 39)


  from scripts\opentxs (412, 26) :

  from scripts\opentxs (412, 9) :

  from scripts\opentxs (622, 1) :


C:\T_I\Geld\Open-Transactions>

I dont find a file with that name so i think it might be a missing class in the code.
5798  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 09, 2013, 09:15:45 PM
Wow, worst divend in a long time? 0.05832576

Here comes the flood of the price going down.........

Perhaps...Someone just put 112 shares up for sale on Havelock. ..

O_O!!!, the wave started.... goodbye ASICMINER..... the 200TH better come online soon or you are down the drain to IPO price....

Keep trying to undermine the price, but your efforts are futile. Better hop back on now, or be sorry later. Friedcat provided very reasonable update - hashrate is doubling in matter of days to ~126TH/s.

I'm trying to figure out where in the update you got that assumption from.. help me please

Last point made by FC: Roughly 3~5TH/s added every day.

Oh, didnt see this... sounds like it could go back on trail now...
5799  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Breaking: Silk Road geseizet, Betreiber verhaftet on: October 09, 2013, 09:08:21 PM


Was für eine Schwachsinns-Idee:

Should miners collude to steal funds from wallet confiscated by US government?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306809.0




Erlaubt das btc-Protokoll, dass eine nicht signierte tx von der Mehrheit der user akzeptiert wird?


@topic:
Mit dem Verbot des zu sich nehmens von was auch immer dehnt der Staat seinen Besitzanspruch auf unsere Koerper aus. Wer gerne Eigentum weltlicher Fuehrer sein moechte, darf jetzt natuerlich jubeln.

Stimmt ja nun nicht ganz... wenn es dann schief ging will derjenige ja auch doch lieber gesundheitlich versorgt werden, da ist der Staat, bzw die Allgemeinheit dann wieder gut. Mal davon abgesehen was echte Abhängigkeit mit dem Umfeld desjenigen anrichtet. Das ist aber auch ähnlich bei Alkohol.

Auf jeden Fall wäre eine Legalisierung besser als die Kriminalisierung, welche nur die Kriminalität fördert. Wenn man das besteuern könnte dann würde der Staat von dem Geld, wenn er denn will, auch viel besser helfen um Süchtigen da raus zu helfen. Die Alkoholprohibition in den USA sollte eigentlich gezeigt haben dass Verbote eher negative Folgen und keineswegs das Ende von Drogen bedeuten.
5800  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 09, 2013, 08:58:10 PM
So while we collect funds for the next order... are there Miners that are deployed and added to the mine or are we flying in the air, only able to collect funds from old miners in the hope to buy more hashpower? I somewhat got the impression since the divs constantly are going down. So is new hashpower added at the moment or not?
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