BUMP. Still looking to buy.!
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Had a request from someone with an urgent need to sell. benson any for direct cash plz refer me for 30 btc@ 115 each really need urgent slightly can negotiate...
Benson, I just sent you a PM. Will buy everything.. Let me know if possible to arrange for a few more.! I have bid for ASIC miner.. I think i won one.. If i did.. then i will definitely try to sell (atleast 50%) of the BTC Generated to Indian Traders ONLY Also, do you have PINWHEEL's number or contact info. I need some guidance to set it up..!! How many do you want? I will ask him. PM Pinwheel, he is very active on the forums. Still looking for about 46 BTC's.! PM'ed Pinwheel. Thanks.!
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Hello..
Am in need of 46 BTC's at the moment. I can do Fund Transfer in USA or INDIA. Let me know if anyone is willing to sell them
PM with your best price.
Thanks, AD
Edit : I have done the transaction and no longer looking at the moment.!
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1 - adamthefishman 1 - cchan 1 - biganth 1 - kobaya74 2 - gsmline 3 - psjw4450 7 - nlive 1 - americandesi 12 - fgkrew 20 - teek = 49 nice one teek! timing is everything. Hello All, This is my first ASIC miner. I did bid and mine is the 17th one. So now what are the next steps. Whom do i send the Shipping Info and the payment to.? Any advise would be appreciated.
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Had a request from someone with an urgent need to sell. benson any for direct cash plz refer me for 30 btc@ 115 each really need urgent slightly can negotiate...
Benson, I just sent you a PM. Will buy everything.. Let me know if possible to arrange for a few more.! I have bid for ASIC miner.. I think i won one.. Also, do you have PINWHEEL's number or contact info. I need some guidance to set it up..!!
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americandesi joins as the co-mod of the FB page.
Any other content creators interested to help engage the FB community?
Thanks you very much choosing me..!! Will do my best to keep it as active as possible. Suggestions / Advice / Ideas are welcome..!!
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its not there for me either , I have money stuck in OKPAY that I can't use
Thanks for letting me know. So its just not me. However, cant u still trade with okpay in mtgox.?
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Hello All,
Since last couple of days, am not finding the OKPAY payment option to deposit USD in btc-e. Is anyone else having the same problem.?
I asked the same question on chat in btc-e and someone mentioned that they still have it.
So just checking if this is a isolated problem or indeed they removed that payment method.?
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Hello Guys,
I have $ 500 USD worth BTC (roughly about 5 BTC) currently available in my account at the exchange that i'm not actively using in my day-to-day trading. Do let me know if anyone wants to buy.
MTGOX (last price) + 10%
Payment Method : Accept Cash Deposit / NEFT to my Indian Bank account.
I have 4 BTC still available. Price : MTGOX (last price) + 10% I 'll pay you 4,500/- each, purchase all, instant cash deposit. and any escrow you like as long at it is a prominent member . i dont peg the rates to any exchange. start the negotiations. I can tell you 2 things. 1. I m first in line 2. He wont sell at that rate ($85 ??) Hey! just setting some bidding on the line. the indian community has to get off pegging the bitcoin to foreign exchanges. let a free market force determine prices. that is much better and gets rid of monopoly. and stop using the $ use you national currency to bid. I raise my bid to 5000/- any sell want to sell at that rate can join in too. :-) Ps- just because there is supply problem in India does not bean prices can be quoted as pegged+10% . It creates an un favorable market demand and drives away potential future users. If sellers dont agree with this concept, i am sorry i will push free market rates in the indian community much harder. I agree with the concept of pegging BTC to INR, but we also need to take the factor of scarcity into consideration. An that is the reason why a free market system of bids setting prices, is far more better. an economical system would collapse if scarcity drives a monopolistic system of rates. No one in india would want to buy bitcoins and no one would see any use for it. so in better terms, it would be dead in the water before it starts. Whats happening is basically every one holds their sell till GOX has a high price and then add another 10% to their sale. which in its self becomes monopolistic, because sale is determined by one exchange being at a high price. A free market rates would be determined by supply and demand . that the demand is like in India can be gauged properly with this system. I completely agree with you subvolatil. We need a free market system in India that is independent of any exchange. However, i wanted you to note that your entire basis of the pricing is flawed. The concept that you are talking would work very well where buying of virtual currency is as easy as selling it like in USA, Canada and Europe. If i go to someone here and ask for a markup of 10%, then they will kick me in the face. Because people here can buy 1 btc for mtgox, campbx or any other exchange price and the transaction charges as less as 50 cents per transaction. However, the case in India is completely different unless the traders in India are self sufficient by mining the requirements themselves within India. In that case, yes the concept that you are proposing would definitely work. Moreover, when i say 10% markup, there are inherent costs involved in carrying out the transaction and 10% is not completely my profit. Just to give you an idea, the cheapest and reliable funding method usually used by most USA residents Dwolla which charges $ 0.25 to fund mtgox (through my bank account) cannot be used to fund the bitcoins which i intend to sell in India because, at the end of the year, UNCLE SAM (US Federal Tax dept) comes back to me and says "Sir, you have transferred 10X amount of USD to MTGOX account, however you have received only 5X amount of USD in return. What happened to the rest of 5X amount.? ". So i should have a convincing explanation with paper trial. I cannot even claim that i lost them during trading because, MTGOX abides by the US, Canada and European AML laws. So i should choose cash deposit method which itself costs me about 4 - 5%. Secondly, when i receive the funds through Bank transfer in India, i should get it back here to keep the money rolling for my business. Every bank here charges about 3 - 4 USD for using their ATM to withdraw using a International Indian Debit card. This fee is apart from the fee of Rs 125 INR or Rs 150.00 INR that will be charged by my bank in India. Its not over yet. Indian Banks give you a very shitty exchange rate when you use their debit card to withdraw funds abroad. Usually Rs 0.50 less than any foreign exchange and sometimes even upto Rs 1.00 less per USD. That is a risk am taking. I agree, there might be some other ways to route money from India to USA, but since the money is coming from India, it is very risky and it might end up being treated as t e r r 0 r 1 s t funding. Trust me, i work in the field of cyber intelligence and pretty much know what all the f e d s track. After all those fees, am left with 2 -3 % per bitcoin. I think that is a fair enough margin in any business for all the risk and pains that am taking to keep me motivated to come back the next day and keep me going. Am not justifying anyone and i don't need to infact, am just letting you know that your perceived notion of 10% profit is wrong. And moreover, with the recent happenings and yesterday's news announcement, i don't think many people from USA / Canada (and Europe shortly) will consider trading of bitcoins as priority anymore to make money. Am sure that you are aware that many retail websites in USA and Canada have started accepting bitcoins as payment. Yesterday's news was huge. A gift card company called GYFT started accepting bitcoin through bitpay (am sure bitpay uses mtgox exchange rate). They sell gift cards of almost every company in USA including Amazon, CVS pharmacy, Target, Walmart, Hollister, American Eagle, restaurants, flight and travel websites. That is turning my bitcoins to real cash legitemitely without the hassles of trading. Those shops are pretty much everywhere i shop. And the fee is just 0.89%. Infact i will end up paying more if i buy stuff from same places using my credit card. Hell ya, i can live my life with only bitcoins. I can buy everything right from my toilet paper to rice and grocery using bitcoins. Most of my friends here feel the same and one of my friends even ordered a Radeon 7970 from amazon using that gift card. Just my 2 cents..!! :-)
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Hello Guys,
I have $ 500 USD worth BTC (roughly about 5 BTC) currently available in my account at the exchange that i'm not actively using in my day-to-day trading. Do let me know if anyone wants to buy.
MTGOX (last price) + 10%
Payment Method : Accept Cash Deposit / NEFT to my Indian Bank account.
I have 4 BTC still available. Price : MTGOX (last price) + 10%
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I have 4 BTC already in escrow with Mod. However my rates are Rs 27,019.00 INR (for all 4)
Calculated as below ((113.38 * 4 btc ) + 10%) * Rs 54.16 INR (taken from xe.com) = Rs 27,019.00 INR
Let me know if you are interested.
Thanks,
Sorry I am new here, who or what is Mod (you say "already in escrow with Mod") how will someone pay you? I am in Vrindavan Mathura India now. Where are you? I could meet you maybe and just give you cash. Sent you a Private Message. Check it out.
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I have 4 BTC already in escrow with Mod. However my rates are Rs 27,019.00 INR (for all 4)
Calculated as below ((113.38 * 4 btc ) + 10%) * Rs 54.16 INR (taken from xe.com) = Rs 27,019.00 INR
Let me know if you are interested.
Thanks,
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I have been brainstorming with assistance and help from Mod Benson on building a platform wherein users can fund their mtgox account or buy btc / ltc using their credit card through e-wallet services something similar to payza or MB.
Buying BTC / Funding Mtgox Some of the things to remember here is that this will be similar to fund transfer and the transaction will not be in realtime. It will take anywhere from 2 - 4 working days for the funds / btc to reflect in your mtgox account. The delay in funding is due to the intensive fraud screening that will be incorporated to protect the merchant that is myself from chargebacks.
Secondly, you will be required to add and confirm you credit card / debit card to one of the e-wallet services like MB or payza.
Selling of BTC. This will be through the payment gateway bitpay. You will receive the mtgox weighted average USD rate sent to your Indian account within 24 - 48 hours through xoom or moneygram money transfer. The exchange rate offered will be the prevailing rate on that particular day. By using this method, we can totally eliminate NEFT / domestic fund transfer within India.
Let us know your thoughts on this idea. If you have any suggestions / feedback, then let me know.
Voted No, because simply it does not work that way. CC and Debit card is a big big deal to handle with currency like Bitcoin. I still believe in India, if it is going to work it will work using traditional and popular methods like cash deposits, NEFT, RTGS ( Not even Net Banking ). But you can try it with a different approach. Make this service available to verified people only. This can not be used as instantaneous, anonymous buy sell service. Cheers this is exactly what i had discussed with mod. It will be only for the verified people of bitcointalk forum members. It will be more of a premium club extended to only to forum members to begin with. Probably with low number of transactions. If you see the statistics, when and how the chargeback occurs. It is when a merchant cannot prove the delivery of the service or product (which is in case of btc). But how about you offer a product or a service along with btc so when there is a chargeback, you can show the product / service delivery to the payment processor at which point the customer looses the chargeback petition. The case example below is if you are giving this service to all ( Non verified people too ) Lets say I want to kill your business. All I need to do is buy 5 CC from black market or skrill or payza accounts, complete purchase and charge back. Trust me even if you prove you have delivered products processor will think about your subscription now. Make it 10 and you have a very good chance of getting your account blocked, in some cases you will loose access to YOUR money for 180 days To prevent all this, you will have to setup a good verification system and that will cost you. You will have to add all this costs to the margin which will make your service less attractive to people. Also as you are adding shipping in it, it will cost more. CC processors and others will charge around 3.5% minimum and that's crazy. You must also factor in the time cost of sending money to your base service providers and getting money back from them to your accounts. In the case of verified people all of above is applied but with less probability. Biggest drawback, this thing can not scale as the overhead mechanism to sell actual product is going to eat lot of margin and resources. Cheers OP's plan revolves around a reputation system as well. He is also willing to undertake the costs involved in the sales model. This has my vote if it is executed. Would love to see this work as it comes very close to skirting regulations. Yes. I have been selling online since 2003. I have seen number of chargebacks.. nasty ones too. If this gets executed, it will be more of a B2B with stringent verification methods. All orders will go through Fraud Verification system something similar to maxmind or on the same lines. And moreover, bitcoin will be sent to the email associated with mb or pz upon email verification, so the scammer will not receive the btc. Coming to the scaling issue, as i said am not too concerned. I don't want to be the only provider of BTC to Indian traders. I just want to make it easier for genuine and verified buyers to buy in bulk and probably sell it to their local customers in India. I already trade BTC / LTC on a daily basis locally and make enough out of it. At the moment, am looking at ways to overcome the tax issue. If i open a MB / PZ / PP account as a U S resident, i will have to pay taxes on the entire transaction amount. So let me see if i can work it out. If it does, then a pilot invite only program will be launched shortly.
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^Yes same question , can you please clarify ?
I assume bit by bit as I am holding some on an Escrow for americandesi. As mod said, I have some in escrow. However, that buyer seems like he is not interested. He is not responding to my messages. He has 24 hours to complete the transaction and if he doesnot, then i can forward it the next interested buyer. That being said, if you guys tell me your requirement, i can arrange in a day or two. I live US and take NEFT / INR Bank deposit within India. I can easily arrange close to 1000 or 2000 USD worth BTC/LTC every week. PM me and we can take it from there. All transactions will be escrow through MOD / localbitcoins. Isn't that trade happening? Shoud I send back the BTC? Let me know. No Hold off for now. He still has sometime before the deadline... I shall let you know if he doesn't get back to me today.
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^Yes same question , can you please clarify ?
I assume bit by bit as I am holding some on an Escrow for americandesi. As mod said, I have some in escrow. However, that buyer seems like he is not interested. He is not responding to my messages. He has 24 hours to complete the transaction and if he doesnot, then i can forward it the next interested buyer. That being said, if you guys tell me your requirement, i can arrange in a day or two. I live US and take NEFT / INR Bank deposit within India. I can easily arrange close to 1000 or 2000 USD worth BTC/LTC every week. PM me and we can take it from there. All transactions will be escrow through MOD / localbitcoins.
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Hello Guys,
I have $ 500 USD worth BTC (roughly about 5 BTC) currently available in my account at the exchange that i'm not actively using in my day-to-day trading. Do let me know if anyone wants to buy.
MTGOX (last price) + 10%
Payment Method : Accept Cash Deposit / NEFT to my Indian Bank account.
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I have been brainstorming with assistance and help from Mod Benson on building a platform wherein users can fund their mtgox account or buy btc / ltc using their credit card through e-wallet services something similar to payza or MB.
Buying BTC / Funding Mtgox Some of the things to remember here is that this will be similar to fund transfer and the transaction will not be in realtime. It will take anywhere from 2 - 4 working days for the funds / btc to reflect in your mtgox account. The delay in funding is due to the intensive fraud screening that will be incorporated to protect the merchant that is myself from chargebacks.
Secondly, you will be required to add and confirm you credit card / debit card to one of the e-wallet services like MB or payza.
Selling of BTC. This will be through the payment gateway bitpay. You will receive the mtgox weighted average USD rate sent to your Indian account within 24 - 48 hours through xoom or moneygram money transfer. The exchange rate offered will be the prevailing rate on that particular day. By using this method, we can totally eliminate NEFT / domestic fund transfer within India.
Let us know your thoughts on this idea. If you have any suggestions / feedback, then let me know.
Voted No, because simply it does not work that way. CC and Debit card is a big big deal to handle with currency like Bitcoin. I still believe in India, if it is going to work it will work using traditional and popular methods like cash deposits, NEFT, RTGS ( Not even Net Banking ). But you can try it with a different approach. Make this service available to verified people only. This can not be used as instantaneous, anonymous buy sell service. Cheers this is exactly what i had discussed with mod. It will be only for the verified people of bitcointalk forum members. It will be more of a premium club extended to only to forum members to begin with. Probably with low number of transactions. If you see the statistics, when and how the chargeback occurs. It is when a merchant cannot prove the delivery of the service or product (which is in case of btc). But how about you offer a product or a service along with btc so when there is a chargeback, you can show the product / service delivery to the payment processor at which point the customer looses the chargeback petition.
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One of the solutions is to use OpenVPN with server hosted outside of India. It requires both client and server to authenticate using certificates. To some extent it can be mitigated. Moreover, am little skeptical of this happening. I strongly feel that this is just a fake news to scare people that they are keeping track of their usage. Because, there are a lot of things to consider and comply to. For instance, there is PCI compliance that needs to be taken care as users are using credit cards over the internet. The companies based out of India like google and microsoft should have a SSL certificate termination and again the traffic needs to be encrypted. It took Indian Govt several years to convince Blackberry to have a encryption termination server installed in India and give them access to messages. Am not saying it cannot be done, but that needs a lot of investment and time. There are a lot of International Privacy laws to be considered and adhered to.
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I have been brainstorming with assistance and help from Mod Benson on building a platform wherein users can fund their mtgox account or buy btc / ltc using their credit card through e-wallet services something similar to payza or MB.
Buying BTC / Funding Mtgox Some of the things to remember here is that this will be similar to fund transfer and the transaction will not be in realtime. It will take anywhere from 2 - 4 working days for the funds / btc to reflect in your mtgox account. The delay in funding is due to the intensive fraud screening that will be incorporated to protect the merchant that is myself from chargebacks.
Secondly, you will be required to add and confirm you credit card / debit card to one of the e-wallet services like MB or payza.
Selling of BTC. This will be through the payment gateway bitpay. You will receive the mtgox weighted average USD rate sent to your Indian account within 24 - 48 hours through xoom or moneygram money transfer. The exchange rate offered will be the prevailing rate on that particular day. By using this method, we can totally eliminate NEFT / domestic fund transfer within India.
Let us know your thoughts on this idea. If you have any suggestions / feedback, then let me know.
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